[TheThinkTank] THE LIST

momoko saunders analyst at bikefarm.org
Thu May 21 10:40:41 PDT 2015


Please add Bike Farm to the list.

Not sure if it was left out for a reason. I'd love to know if there was one.

thanks for putting this together!
-momoko

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Jeff DeQuattro <jeffdequattro at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Paul. And I think it's a very fine line that is being drawn
> here. My shop in Mobile, AL (Delta Bike Project) was not added to list
> after I requested it presumably because we sell used bikes? We sell used
> bikes below the blue book value - yes. And those proceeds pay our extremely
> high rent and overhead. We might sell 6 bikes a month on a good month. We
> have no employees, only volunteers. AND we are completely DIY - and not a
> repair shop at all. We are a federally recognized 501(c)3 charitable
> organization. In the past 19 months we've put over 250 bikes into our small
> community and into the hands of the poor or homeless who have had to earn
> them through our Time is Money Program in which they pick up litter around
> the city, or mow the lawns on our property or adjacent properties, or help
> part out bikes and help around the shop for a certain number of hours until
> they earn a bike (aka: improving the quality of life). They also are taught
> how to repair the bikes they earn and many have become so skilled that they
> are now teaching others how to do the same. We have mechanics now that help
> us out through volunteering that are there every time we are open and they
> live in tents in the woods. Several of our Time is Money participants have
> been able to keep a job because they could get to work on the bike they
> earned from us. These are measurable impacts on the community.
>
> So if the purpose of the list is to have a database of strictly
> cooperatives that have a membership aspect that's fine, but I think you
> miss out on an entire class of shops that might not fit the mold of a
> cooperative. We started as a cooperative, but it didn't work on the Gulf
> Coast of Alabama. It just doesn't. The concept is not something that works
> here as evidenced by the almost complete lack of cooperatives (besides a
> few art co-ops). It doesn't mean that we don't do good, or as much good, in
> the community as a cooperative. In fact, we've won community awards and
> innovation awards and we are not the voice of a large sector of the people
> in bikes in our community. Our brand has been so effective at helping those
> in need in the community that we've started a spinoff that helps with
> healthcare and spay/neuter services for the poor and homeless that cannot
> afford to property care for their pets (Delta Dogs). I understand the
> anti-capitalistic angle, but I think that your notion misses a whole realm
> of shops that do a lot of good in their communities.I would suggest that
> all community bikes shops be added, but in an adjacent column noting the
> classification of that particular shop might give you a better idea of
> what's out there. My thoughts.
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Paul Fitzgerald <paul at workingbikes.org>
> wrote:
>
>> What non profit charges high prices to "raise the perceived value of
>> bikes"?  Our prices at Working Bikes are set to not have our work resold by
>> for-profit individuals at the swap meet or craig's list.   I may have a
>> bias but I think that a 'community bike shop' and a 'cooperative bike shop'
>> are different things.  One of these titles explains a structure and the
>> other suggests an open door or policy of community engagement.
>>
>> It's your list and these are just my thoughts, but I was a little
>> surprised to see for profit shops in chicago (uptown) on the list and
>> non-profits (WB and Blackstone) not.
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Eric Honour <eric.honour at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Might be worth including them under a separate heading.
>>> On May 21, 2015 1:01 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" <joshuahof at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is a searchable document
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>> if you want to check for your shop.
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: So far THE LIST <https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812>
>>>> only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some
>>>> DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an
>>>> anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage
>>>> people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many
>>>> "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they
>>>> believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing
>>>> inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money
>>>> or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more
>>>> things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to
>>>> lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also
>>>> transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy
>>>> for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.
>>>>
>>>> What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop
>>>> regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman <joshuahof at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops
>>>>> who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is
>>>>> constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job
>>>>> opportunities as well).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know if I need to add other shops.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Paul Fitzgerald
>> General Manager, Working Bikes
>> 2434 S. Western, Chicago, IL 60608
>> 773-847-5440
>>
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>>
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