[TheThinkTank] THE LIST

Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer at gmail.com
Thu May 21 10:48:21 PDT 2015


Joshua-

Hold your line.

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, momoko saunders <analyst at bikefarm.org>
wrote:

> Please add Bike Farm to the list.
>
> Not sure if it was left out for a reason. I'd love to know if there was
> one.
>
> thanks for putting this together!
> -momoko
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Jeff DeQuattro <jeffdequattro at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Paul. And I think it's a very fine line that is being drawn
>> here. My shop in Mobile, AL (Delta Bike Project) was not added to list
>> after I requested it presumably because we sell used bikes? We sell used
>> bikes below the blue book value - yes. And those proceeds pay our extremely
>> high rent and overhead. We might sell 6 bikes a month on a good month. We
>> have no employees, only volunteers. AND we are completely DIY - and not a
>> repair shop at all. We are a federally recognized 501(c)3 charitable
>> organization. In the past 19 months we've put over 250 bikes into our small
>> community and into the hands of the poor or homeless who have had to earn
>> them through our Time is Money Program in which they pick up litter around
>> the city, or mow the lawns on our property or adjacent properties, or help
>> part out bikes and help around the shop for a certain number of hours until
>> they earn a bike (aka: improving the quality of life). They also are taught
>> how to repair the bikes they earn and many have become so skilled that they
>> are now teaching others how to do the same. We have mechanics now that help
>> us out through volunteering that are there every time we are open and they
>> live in tents in the woods. Several of our Time is Money participants have
>> been able to keep a job because they could get to work on the bike they
>> earned from us. These are measurable impacts on the community.
>>
>> So if the purpose of the list is to have a database of strictly
>> cooperatives that have a membership aspect that's fine, but I think you
>> miss out on an entire class of shops that might not fit the mold of a
>> cooperative. We started as a cooperative, but it didn't work on the Gulf
>> Coast of Alabama. It just doesn't. The concept is not something that works
>> here as evidenced by the almost complete lack of cooperatives (besides a
>> few art co-ops). It doesn't mean that we don't do good, or as much good, in
>> the community as a cooperative. In fact, we've won community awards and
>> innovation awards and we are not the voice of a large sector of the people
>> in bikes in our community. Our brand has been so effective at helping those
>> in need in the community that we've started a spinoff that helps with
>> healthcare and spay/neuter services for the poor and homeless that cannot
>> afford to property care for their pets (Delta Dogs). I understand the
>> anti-capitalistic angle, but I think that your notion misses a whole realm
>> of shops that do a lot of good in their communities.I would suggest that
>> all community bikes shops be added, but in an adjacent column noting the
>> classification of that particular shop might give you a better idea of
>> what's out there. My thoughts.
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Paul Fitzgerald <paul at workingbikes.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What non profit charges high prices to "raise the perceived value of
>>> bikes"?  Our prices at Working Bikes are set to not have our work resold by
>>> for-profit individuals at the swap meet or craig's list.   I may have a
>>> bias but I think that a 'community bike shop' and a 'cooperative bike shop'
>>> are different things.  One of these titles explains a structure and the
>>> other suggests an open door or policy of community engagement.
>>>
>>> It's your list and these are just my thoughts, but I was a little
>>> surprised to see for profit shops in chicago (uptown) on the list and
>>> non-profits (WB and Blackstone) not.
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Eric Honour <eric.honour at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Might be worth including them under a separate heading.
>>>> On May 21, 2015 1:01 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" <joshuahof at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here is a searchable document
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>> if you want to check for your shop.
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE: So far THE LIST <https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812>
>>>>> only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some
>>>>> DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an
>>>>> anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage
>>>>> people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many
>>>>> "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they
>>>>> believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing
>>>>> inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money
>>>>> or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more
>>>>> things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to
>>>>> lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also
>>>>> transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy
>>>>> for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop
>>>>> regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman <joshuahof at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops
>>>>>> who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is
>>>>>> constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job
>>>>>> opportunities as well).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know if I need to add other shops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Fitzgerald
>>> General Manager, Working Bikes
>>> 2434 S. Western, Chicago, IL 60608
>>> 773-847-5440
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> "Socialism can only arrive by bicycle."
>>>
>>> -José Antonio Viera Gallo,  Assistant Secretary of Justice in the
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