[TheThinkTank] THE LIST

Jesse Cooper jessecooper0 at gmail.com
Thu May 21 12:03:52 PDT 2015


Our Community  Bikes in Vancouver Canada

On 5/21/15, Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua-
>
> Hold your line.
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, momoko saunders <analyst at bikefarm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Please add Bike Farm to the list.
>>
>> Not sure if it was left out for a reason. I'd love to know if there was
>> one.
>>
>> thanks for putting this together!
>> -momoko
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Jeff DeQuattro
>> <jeffdequattro at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Paul. And I think it's a very fine line that is being drawn
>>> here. My shop in Mobile, AL (Delta Bike Project) was not added to list
>>> after I requested it presumably because we sell used bikes? We sell used
>>> bikes below the blue book value - yes. And those proceeds pay our
>>> extremely
>>> high rent and overhead. We might sell 6 bikes a month on a good month.
>>> We
>>> have no employees, only volunteers. AND we are completely DIY - and not
>>> a
>>> repair shop at all. We are a federally recognized 501(c)3 charitable
>>> organization. In the past 19 months we've put over 250 bikes into our
>>> small
>>> community and into the hands of the poor or homeless who have had to
>>> earn
>>> them through our Time is Money Program in which they pick up litter
>>> around
>>> the city, or mow the lawns on our property or adjacent properties, or
>>> help
>>> part out bikes and help around the shop for a certain number of hours
>>> until
>>> they earn a bike (aka: improving the quality of life). They also are
>>> taught
>>> how to repair the bikes they earn and many have become so skilled that
>>> they
>>> are now teaching others how to do the same. We have mechanics now that
>>> help
>>> us out through volunteering that are there every time we are open and
>>> they
>>> live in tents in the woods. Several of our Time is Money participants
>>> have
>>> been able to keep a job because they could get to work on the bike they
>>> earned from us. These are measurable impacts on the community.
>>>
>>> So if the purpose of the list is to have a database of strictly
>>> cooperatives that have a membership aspect that's fine, but I think you
>>> miss out on an entire class of shops that might not fit the mold of a
>>> cooperative. We started as a cooperative, but it didn't work on the Gulf
>>> Coast of Alabama. It just doesn't. The concept is not something that
>>> works
>>> here as evidenced by the almost complete lack of cooperatives (besides a
>>> few art co-ops). It doesn't mean that we don't do good, or as much good,
>>> in
>>> the community as a cooperative. In fact, we've won community awards and
>>> innovation awards and we are not the voice of a large sector of the
>>> people
>>> in bikes in our community. Our brand has been so effective at helping
>>> those
>>> in need in the community that we've started a spinoff that helps with
>>> healthcare and spay/neuter services for the poor and homeless that
>>> cannot
>>> afford to property care for their pets (Delta Dogs). I understand the
>>> anti-capitalistic angle, but I think that your notion misses a whole
>>> realm
>>> of shops that do a lot of good in their communities.I would suggest that
>>> all community bikes shops be added, but in an adjacent column noting the
>>> classification of that particular shop might give you a better idea of
>>> what's out there. My thoughts.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Paul Fitzgerald
>>> <paul at workingbikes.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What non profit charges high prices to "raise the perceived value of
>>>> bikes"?  Our prices at Working Bikes are set to not have our work resold
>>>> by
>>>> for-profit individuals at the swap meet or craig's list.   I may have a
>>>> bias but I think that a 'community bike shop' and a 'cooperative bike
>>>> shop'
>>>> are different things.  One of these titles explains a structure and the
>>>> other suggests an open door or policy of community engagement.
>>>>
>>>> It's your list and these are just my thoughts, but I was a little
>>>> surprised to see for profit shops in chicago (uptown) on the list and
>>>> non-profits (WB and Blackstone) not.
>>>>
>>>> -Paul
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Eric Honour <eric.honour at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Might be worth including them under a separate heading.
>>>>> On May 21, 2015 1:01 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" <joshuahof at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a searchable document
>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>>> if you want to check for your shop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTE: So far THE LIST
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812>
>>>>>> only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an
>>>>>> anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and
>>>>>> engage
>>>>>> people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many
>>>>>> "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they
>>>>>> believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>> inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in
>>>>>> money
>>>>>> or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more
>>>>>> things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also
>>>>>> transform the social relationships between humans by substituting
>>>>>> hierarchy
>>>>>> for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop
>>>>>> regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman <joshuahof at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops
>>>>>>> who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This
>>>>>>> list is
>>>>>>> constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job
>>>>>>> opportunities as well).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if I need to add other shops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul Fitzgerald
>>>> General Manager, Working Bikes
>>>> 2434 S. Western, Chicago, IL 60608
>>>> 773-847-5440
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Store Hours: Wed + Thurs- 12-7pm
>>>>                     Fri + Sat  -    12-5pm
>>>>
>>>> Volunteer Hours: Tues- 5-9pm
>>>>                           Wed- 12-5pm
>>>>                           Sat- 12-5pm
>>>>
>>>> “El socialismo puede llegar solo en la bicicleta."
>>>>
>>>> "Socialism can only arrive by bicycle."
>>>>
>>>> -José Antonio Viera Gallo,  Assistant Secretary of Justice in the
>>>> government of Salvador Allende
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