[TheThinkTank] Volunteering time

Vicktoria Lorraine ikkyvicky at gmail.com
Thu Feb 7 16:20:39 PST 2008


as a lower class chicana womyn i'm really glad to see this discussion.

kinda lost, but whatever.

-vix.


On 2/7/08, CLINTON BIGGS <letlovein2 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>  Why are all you racists insisting on English (the Northern European
> language)for this communication anyway? Until someone types a message in
> Esperanto, Spanish or Hmong, I am going to think a little less of all of you
> and mostly myself.
>   IF I may recommend a book, Paul Kivel's Uprooting Racism is a good read.
> It helped me to be less racist. Am I completely free of racist thought?
> Nope.  But if I can change my mind to any degree, it is that much better.
> So, thanks Jessica,! I just got Kivels book out and am going to do a
> little refresher.
>
> CAB
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:46:14 -0800
> > From: jessica_mcp at yahoo.com
> > To: thethinktank at bikecollectives.org
> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Volunteering time
> >
> > Also, can I point out that there is a big difference between
> characterizing a statement or action as racist, and calling a person a
> racist? I think it's really important to be able to talk frankly about
> racism, and that is hard when bringing up the word at all is automatically
> interpreted as calling people racists. We all do or say racist things
> sometimes. It doesn't mean we're evil, horrible people. It means there's a
> situation when people could benefit from honest discussion and an
> opportunity to learn from others' perspectives. So can we try to be open to
> that without being offensive/taking offense? And make an extra effort to be
> clear when this loaded word does get put out there?
> >
> > Race, gender, and class all definitely fit into this issue of
> accessibility, so it's great we're talking about it those terms. And it's
> complicated; we can probably all learn something from other peoples'
> experience.
> >
> > -Jessica
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Erik Ryberg <ryberg at seanet.com>
> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at bikecollectives.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 2:29:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Volunteering time
> >
> >
> > When
> > I
> > went
> > to
> > college
> > I
> > was
> > a
> > poor
> > white
> > kid
> > from
> > rural
> > Oregon
> > on
> > a
> > scholarship
> > to
> > a
> > fancy
> > East
> > Coast
> > private
> > university.
> > Everybody
> > I
> > met
> > there
> > had
> > more
> > money
> > than
> > I
> > did.
> >
> > During
> > the
> > summers
> > they
> > all
> > went
> > off
> > to
> > unpaid
> > internships
> > in
> > NY
> > or
> > LA.
> >
> >
> > I
> > had
> > similar
> > offers,
> > but
> > there
> > was
> > just
> > no
> > way
> > I
> > could
> > afford
> > to
> > do
> > that,
> > move
> > to
> > NYC
> > for
> > three
> > months
> > with
> > no
> > pay.
> >
> > When
> > my
> > friends
> > graduated
> > they
> > got
> > jobs
> > at
> > these
> > places
> > and
> > I
> > ended
> > up
> > working
> > at
> > a
> > bakery.
> >
> > That's
> > what
> > Kyle
> > was
> > talking
> > about.
> > And
> > as
> > an
> > aside
> > he
> > made
> > the
> > leap,
> > perhaps
> > disputed
> > by
> > some
> > here,
> > that
> > people
> > who
> > are
> > not
> > white
> > are
> > more
> > often
> > among
> > those
> > who
> > don't
> > have
> > a
> > lot
> > of
> > money.
> >
> > Maybe
> > you
> > don't
> > agree,
> > but
> > all
> > he
> > was
> > saying
> > is
> > that
> > if
> > you
> > pay
> > people,
> > then
> > you
> > will
> > be
> > more
> > likely
> > to
> > find
> > class
> > and
> > probably
> > race
> > diversity
> > on
> > your
> > staffs.
> > True?
> > False?
> > Maybe?
> > I
> > don't
> > know,
> > but
> > it
> > makes
> > logical
> > sense,
> > and
> > it
> > seems
> > possible
> > to
> > agree
> > with
> > him
> > or
> > disagree
> > with
> > him
> > without
> > being
> > a
> > racist.
> >
> > Erik
> > Ryberg
> >
> > ien
> > wrote:
> > >
> > I
> > see
> > Kyle's
> > point
> > as
> > tunnel
> > vision.
> > Look
> > at
> > other
> > areas
> > reliant
> > on
> > >
> > volunteers
> > and
> > you
> > will
> > see
> > many
> > females,
> > in
> > some
> > cases
> > overwhelmingly.
> > >
> > Case
> > in
> > point:
> > the
> > local
> > chapter
> > of
> > the
> > Big
> > Brothers/Big
> > Sisters
> > >
> > organization
> > reported
> > their
> > volunteers
> > by
> > gender
> > composition
> > is
> > 75%
> > >
> > female,
> > 25%
> > male.
> > That
> > should
> > shoot
> > the
> > theory
> > of
> > white
> > boys
> > being
> > >
> > privileged
> > and
> > in
> > positions
> > to
> > volunteer.
> > It
> > is
> > the
> > bike
> > business
> > in
> > >
> > general
> > that
> > attracts
> > males
> > to
> > the
> > sport.
> > Don't
> > believe
> > me
> > then
> > take
> > a
> > >
> > look
> > at
> > the
> > staff
> > at
> > any
> > bike
> > shop
> > for
> > your
> > random
> > sample.
> > Females
> > are
> > a
> > >
> > breath
> > of
> > fresh
> > air
> > to
> > the
> > sport
> > of
> > cycling
> > and
> > bike
> > riding
> > in
> > general.
> > >
> > But
> > look
> > also
> > to
> > the
> > junior
> > ranks
> > of
> > any
> > state
> > cycling
> > organization
> > and
> > >
> > you
> > will
> > find
> > many
> > more
> > males
> > than
> > females.
> > Credit
> > to
> > those
> > that
> > >
> > volunteer
> > and
> > here
> > is
> > wishing
> > more
> > would
> > join
> > us,
> > especially
> > females.
> > >
> > bikedad
> > >
> > >
> > */Andy
> > Dyson
> > <andy at neighborhoodbikeworks.org>/*
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > BovineOaks at aol.com
> > wrote:
> > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > Being
> > white
> > gives
> > us
> > privileges
> > that
> > might
> > make
> > it
> > easier
> > to
> > >
> >
> >
> > 'donate'
> > a
> > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > lot
> > of
> > time
> > to
> > a
> > project
> > you
> > love.
> > Nice
> > racist
> > statement.
> > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Some
> > great
> > points
> > in
> > your
> > post,
> > Christopher,
> > but
> > it's
> > the
> > first
> > line
> > I
> > >
> >
> >
> > have
> > a
> > problem
> > with.
> > I
> > think
> > that
> > if
> > you're
> > going
> > to
> > call
> > someone
> > a
> > >
> >
> >
> > racist
> > you
> > should
> > do
> > so
> > in
> > a
> > more
> > direct
> > and
> > clear
> > way,
> > for
> > all
> > of
> > our
> > >
> >
> >
> > benefit.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps
> > I'm
> > just
> > not
> > smart,
> > but
> > sarcasm
> > like
> > the
> > above
> > leaves
> > me
> > >
> >
> >
> > wondering
> > exactly
> > what
> > about
> > Kyle's
> > post
> > you
> > thought
> > was
> > racist
> > and
> > >
> >
> >
> > why.
> > >
> >
> >
> > There
> > are
> > various
> > interpretations
> > I
> > could
> > think
> > of,
> > but
> > why
> > people
> > in
> > >
> >
> >
> > our
> > community
> > are
> > calling
> > each
> > other
> > racists
> > is
> > not
> > an
> > area
> > where
> > I
> > >
> >
> >
> > want
> > >
> >
> >
> > to
> > jump
> > to
> > any
> > conclusions.
> > I
> > do
> > actually
> > want
> > to
> > know
> > what
> > you
> > think,
> > >
> >
> >
> > because
> > I
> > don't
> > think
> > that
> > Kyle
> > was
> > denying
> > that
> > people
> > of
> > all
> > >
> >
> >
> > backgrounds
> > volunteer,
> > rather
> > that
> > privilege
> > exists
> > and
> > it
> > makes
> > things
> > >
> >
> >
> > easier
> > for
> > young,
> > white
> > males.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > I
> > think
> > that
> > the
> > whole
> > point
> > of
> > Kyle's
> > post
> > is
> > to
> > draw
> > attention
> > to
> > the
> > >
> >
> >
> > existence
> > of
> > privilege,
> > something
> > that,
> > in
> > my
> > experience,
> > is
> > not
> > >
> >
> >
> > obvious
> > >
> >
> >
> > to
> > all
> > of
> > us.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Peace,
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Andy
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> > C.
> > Dyson
> > >
> >
> >
> > Executive
> > Director
> > Neighborhood
> > Bike
> > Works
> > >
> >
> >
> > Increasing
> > opportunities
> > for
> > youth
> > through
> > bicycling
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Check
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> > Web
> > Site:
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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