[TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 57, Issue 6

Geoff Heath mech at thewrench.ca
Thu May 5 12:09:12 PDT 2011


I just called Orontas and they'll be distributing their bicycle lubes,
greases & degreasers through babac cyles distributors(Montreal) in the very
near future.  They just sent babac their first batch for distro 2 weeks ago
so it should appear in the new babac catalogue & online very soon.  It will
be available in 20 L (5 gal) format so no need to bother with them pesky
eco-aerosol cans and I reckon it'll be hella cheaper in bulk.
I'd assume that they are available through other distributors as well, I
just happen to use babac so that's all I asked about.
Reviews to come,
Geoff

The Wrench, The Bike Dump
Winnipeg, Manitoba

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>   1. Re: non-petroleum lube (The Bicycle Tree)
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>   3. Re: non-petroleum lube (joshua muir)
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> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:28:13 +0000
> From: The Bicycle Tree <info at thebicycletree.org>
> To: <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
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> We've been using Pedro's ChainJ biodegradable lube and their Bio Grease as
> well. I can't say I've done scientific tests on either so I can't precisely
> describe their merits. The chain lube is somewhat oily, doesn't wash away
> easily. The grease does experience some separation; I'm not sure what liquid
> is separating. This may be a drawback in action.
>
> Theres a review of the grease here:
> http://road.cc/content/review/17600-pedros-bio-grease
> plus a negative experience for a skateboarder here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-Bio-Grease/dp/B003UWLWPW
>
> ChainJ reviews here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-CHAINj-Bike-Chain-120ml/product-reviews/B000N22FWG
>
> I hadn't heard about this one until doing a little perusing right now:
> Dumonde Tech Bio Green
> http://www.rei.com/webservices/rei/DisplayStyle/778317?source=gpla&cm_mmc=cse_froogle-_-datafeed-_-product-_-778317&mr:trackingCode=02AF15C2-B849-E011-AFD7-001517384908&mr:referralID=NA
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> I usually use the excellent ProGold ProLink which is biodegradable and
> calls itself "environmentally friendly" though I'm not sure of its toxicity
> or ingredients.
> http://www.mtbr.com/cat/accessories/lube/progold/prolink-chain-lube/PRD_352349_131crx.aspx
>
> -Paul
>
> The Bicycle Tree
>
> P.O. Box 881
> Orange, CA 92856
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> http://www.thebicycletree.org
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> To: thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org
> From: bovineoaks at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:07:38 -0400
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
>
>
> In the 1980's a hippy friend of mine used Olive Oil on his drive chain. He
> came to me after using it for a year because his derailleurs would not work.
> The Olive Oil had turned into a shellack that I could not get off with the
> most aggressive solvents. It stuck together the moving arms of the
> derailleurs so firmly we had to throw them away. The chain was a mess.
> incredible wear on the pins and thick goop everywhere.
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> Try paraffin. at least you can light the chain on fire to have a mini bon
> fire
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> Bicycles don't get hot like cars.   The main lube question i have is for
> the chain.  Chains  need to be lubed and cleaned  very often just because of
> the  exposure.  For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different.   i
> will try olive oil  on my chain and report back later.
>
>
>
> jim
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>
> From: Mark Rehder <mark at re-cycles.ca>
>
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
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> Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
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> My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing
> grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to
> withstand the heat from friction.  Petroleum-derived is the best choice for
> this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more
> frequent overhauls.  Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday
> someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked
> stuff is it?
>
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>
> Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing
> grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as
> advertised.
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> Mark Rehder - Coordinator
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> re-Cycles Community Bike Shop
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> http://re-cycles.ca
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> On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
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> > MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube.  It didn't work very well.
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> >
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> > If you build a
>  covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need
> something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped
> using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself
> (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer
> together something really simple.
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> >
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> >
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> > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison <
> jonathan at slcbikecollective.org> wrote:
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> > Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line?
>
> > http://orontas.com
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> >
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> > Sincerely,
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> >
>
> > Jonathan Morrison
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> > Executive Director
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> > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective
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> > 2312 S. West Temple
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> > Salt Lake City, UT 84115
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> > w: 801-328-2453
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> > c: 801-688-0183
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> > f:
>  801-466-3856
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> > www.slcbikecollective.org
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> >
>
> > The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote
> cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a
> cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle
> Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the
> community, focusing on children and lower income households.
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> >
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> >
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> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe <gzuphoesdown at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique
> recommendation of using olive oil.
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> >
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> > http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
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> > On
>  4/2/08, Bob Giordano <mist at strans.org> wrote: Indoor air quality is tops
> on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere.  We
>
> > do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes.  Tooth brushes and
>
> > simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts
> cleaning
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> > station.  We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is
>
> > harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
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> >
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> > I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop.  Often we ask
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> > people to use it outside.  I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
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> > -Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
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> > Michael Wolfe wrote:
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> > > Speaking of liver damage, etc..  Wondering if any shops out there have
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> > had
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> > > issues solvent tanks in their shop?  The fumes give me a headache
>  but
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> > others
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> > > don't seem to mind it.  Mostly I worry about the health effects on the
> full
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> > > time people in the shop.   Short of installing a hood or ventalation
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> > system,
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> > > what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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> From: "Beth & Josh Goran" <crookedriverrecyclery at gmail.com>
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> Phil Bio-Lube and Pedro's ChainJ come to mind, if you've not tried them
> already. Both are chain lubes. I wouldn't say that either of them are the
> best chain lube I've ever used, but they do okay and are both
> biodegradable,
> if memory serves.
>
> Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties. Flax
> (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing oil, which
> is
> why it's used in paints and the like. Good to season a cast-iron skillet,
> too, but such properties may be either helpful or harmful for different
> uses.
>
> I'd be curious to see how butter. ghee (clarified butter, doesn't need
> refrigeration [especially as a lube!] so wouldn't get so funky as butter),
> or coconut oil might hold up as chain lube...the solid oils don't oxidize
> and gum up in the same ways that something like olive oil does, and
> therefore might work better. Refining oils can also change things
> dramatically. For the worse in food, but might be for the better in this
> case.
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> Josh
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> From: joshua muir <muirjoshua at gmail.com>
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> At the Bike Church, as Ann said earlier- we've used the bio-lube for years-
> used to get it from Troy Boone who "invented it".  We've often speculated
> that it is similar to bio-diesel.  It is much less smelly, and works well.
> slight gumminess, but not bad.  The stuff's not cheap, and we've considered
> investigating further with the local "green station" biodiesel producer to
> compare notes-
>
> josh
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> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Beth & Josh Goran <
> crookedriverrecyclery at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Phil Bio-Lube and Pedro's ChainJ come to mind, if you've not tried them
> > already. Both are chain lubes. I wouldn't say that either of them are the
> > best chain lube I've ever used, but they do okay and are both
> biodegradable,
> > if memory serves.
> >
> > Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties. Flax
> > (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing oil, which
> is
> > why it's used in paints and the like. Good to season a cast-iron skillet,
> > too, but such properties may be either helpful or harmful for different
> > uses.
> >
> > I'd be curious to see how butter. ghee (clarified butter, doesn't need
> > refrigeration [especially as a lube!] so wouldn't get so funky as
> butter),
> > or coconut oil might hold up as chain lube...the solid oils don't oxidize
> > and gum up in the same ways that something like olive oil does, and
> > therefore might work better. Refining oils can also change things
> > dramatically. For the worse in food, but might be for the better in this
> > case.
> >
> > Josh
> > --
> > *Crooked River Recyclery*
> > *Kent, O.*
> >
> > "All Bikes! All People!"
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