[TheThinkTank] Shop software

Frank frank at bikefarm.org
Thu Jul 5 11:21:09 PDT 2012


Hey everyone,

I wanted to chime in here as this issue is important to me.

At Bike Farm (www.bikefarm.org) we use Square to take debit/credit
cards via smartphone.  It is by far the cheapest and easiest to use
with very low fees.  The barrier to entry is basically training your
volunteers and obtaining a smart phone.  Signing up is free, there's
no monthly rate and they mail you a card reader for no cost.

I wish we had an iPad in our shop as Square's point of sale software
is so elegant.  Many more small businesses in addition to non-profits
are moving to Square.  Their iPad app works with POS hardware (receipt
printer, cash drawer), does inventory management, records customer
info and even tracks cash payments.  Even the cost of an iPad (used or
new) is cheap compared to even the most basic POS system and the
software is free.  MerchantOS is a great alternative for shops that
already have merchant accounts/payment processors and can afford their
monthly fees.

One downside to Square is that they don't have an API for rolling your
own integrations.  However, most POS software doesn't either.  Using
Square does not require a merchant account which mitigates the iPad
cost issue in my opinion.  New non-profits or small co-ops probably
couldn't get a decent merchant account with affordable rate anyway.

To those working on this software, I don't understand the scope of
this project.  There's already a ton of great options out there for
every feature mentioned.  What's the unmet need this software will
help with?  I would be inclined to help if I knew a little more about
the overall goals.

Thanks,
Frank

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:23 AM,  <christopher at holisticcycles.com> wrote:
> I have a droid and use square
>
>
> Christopher Wallace
> Holistic Cycles
> 140 Harrison St
> Oak Park, IL. 60304
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Shop software
> From: momoko saunders <analyst at bikefarm.org>
> Date: Wed, July 04, 2012 12:08 pm
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>
> I wonder if we can get a spread sheet of the data that Square creates.  It
> might be useful to develop an app that takes the data from square, and
> transforms it into useful data for bike collectives. I've had a look at
> their web page https://squareup.com/register
>
> It's unfortunate that you must have an ipad to use Square as a POS.
>
> The data base appears to collect this info:
> date, product, price, payment method, discounts,
>
> i've got a theory that one can use a POS for membership data base, as well
> as volunteer data base.  But i'm not sure if Square collects data about the
> customer.  That would be necessary.  I like that you can have cash or check
> or credit card transactions stored.  I just wish you could also have it on a
> desktop.  A lot of our volunteers are against the use of an ipad in the shop
> and I understand.  It sends an odd message to the people who come into the
> shop for help.  We're already in danger of adding to the gentrification of
> our neighborhood, the last thing we need is is fancy chrome apple products
> to alienate people even further...
>
> Godwin,
>
> I of course support you in your effort to develop this web based app.
> Hopefully you/we can think of a simple solution that is flexible.  I'm
> terrible at naming things... So i've got no suggestions there.  But I've
> forwarded on your email to my developer friends.  I'm sure we can add some
> sections in.  I assume you'll get it up on github?
>
> cool
>
> we'll talk soon
> -m
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Jonathan Morrison
> <jonathan.morrison at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you haven't checked out Square, you really should.  It is cheap and
>> simple, and that might be enough for most shops.
>>
>> https://squareup.com/?gclid=CJfQsMOu_rACFQkZQgodBEtl8A#register
>>
>> At least it might provide some ideas...
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Jonathan Morrison
>> c: 801-688-0183
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Godwin ! <goodgodwin at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve also had reservations about going with a web-based system but in the
>>> end I think it’s the most adaptable solution. I’m not worrying about
>>> hardware integration for now, I’m pretty sure anything is possible but I
>>> think that would be far down the list of requirements for most shops that
>>> need free software.
>>>
>>> It will be open source and modular, so there won’t be a single point
>>> person for the entire system, I’ll do my best to set up a good environment
>>> for users to interact with the developers and for developers to provide
>>> documentation. This is a bit of an experiment but I have far more faith in
>>> open and crowd sourcing technologies than I do having a long term individual
>>> or group in charge (including myself).
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> .g
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Jonathan Morrison
>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 3:49:13 PM
>>>
>>> To: The Think Tank
>>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Shop software
>>>
>>> Godwin,
>>>
>>>
>>> Will it be able to swipe credit card?  Interface with a cash drawer?  Or
>>> scan a UPC?  My concern with any web-based system is that you don't have
>>> access to the necessary lower level hardware of a useful POS system.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, how much will you be charging for tech support, or what level of
>>> on-going support can users expect?  Or will use be at your own risk with no
>>> implied support?
>>>
>>>
>>> Name Suggestion: PIF - Pedaling/Paying It Forward
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Morrison
>>> c: 801-688-0183
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Ryan Sharpe <sharpe at sacbikekitchen.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of being too family-unfriendly, gratuitously offensive to
>>>> Godwin's herculean task, and over-aware of the cobbled-together nature of
>>>> some of our various operations, I'd be tickled if it were named "That POS".
>>>>
>>>> --Ryan S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:13 PM, summitcyclingcenter at yahoo.com
>>>> <summitcyclingcenter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I Appreciate what you are doing.  Name-I suggest Velocomp POS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my HTC EVO Design™ 4G from Boost Mobile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>>> From: "Godwin !" <goodgodwin at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at bikecollectives.org>
>>>>> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Shop software
>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 6:50 pm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Trying to squeeze in the extra time this week to open up to developers
>>>>> soon but first:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Non-technical
>>>>>
>>>>> Nominate a name!
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now the code name I'm using is 'Samara' after the fruit that a
>>>>> maple tree produces but I'd like to hear better ideas if anyone has them
>>>>> (and maybe get some sort of consensus)
>>>>>
>>>>> Will my shop / organization be able to use it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. The intention is to make everything completely customizable so
>>>>> that it can work with the way your organization does, although I'm not going
>>>>> to promote it over any of the other options
>>>>> It will be web-based and (if required) compatible with Wordpress,
>>>>> Joomla, and Drupal and eventually hopefully IPad and Android. Setting it up
>>>>> to work offline will also be possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> What will it do?
>>>>>
>>>>> The focus at the beginning is to create a point of sale system, after
>>>>> that I'd like to implement other features from news feeds to keep everyone
>>>>> informed to budget planning and audit modules (everything will be optional)
>>>>> Whatever else you can dream of and find someone to help build
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you doing this?
>>>>>
>>>>> To create a common tool that will work for everyone's needs, so that we
>>>>> can combine our efforts where we can and diverge when we need to
>>>>> Because I like software development and especially interesting projects
>>>>> Not to overshadow other people's efforts such as freehub
>>>>>
>>>>> When will it be ready?
>>>>>
>>>>> No clue. I've made a number of promises in the past but I realized that
>>>>> I really need to stop making them, we all know what volunteering is like
>>>>> Don't wait for it if you need something now, there's lots of other
>>>>> tools out there and if you eventually want to switch we may be able to work
>>>>> together to get that done.
>>>>> Check out:  http://erply.com/, http://www.merchantos.com/, and of
>>>>> course  https://github.com/asalant/freehub/wiki/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How to get involved
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> GIVE IT A NAME! - It's likely that your shop name will be more
>>>>> prominent (if this name is even visible at all) but it would be nice to have
>>>>> something to call it when downloading or when talking amongst ourselves
>>>>>
>>>>> Design a logo - You might want to wait for the name
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise wait for my next email (but don't hold your breath), I'll be
>>>>> setting up a development environment so that people can jump on as they can.
>>>>> We'll be more in need of experienced PHP developers in the beginning stages
>>>>> to round out the framework, less experienced developers can hop on in the
>>>>> later stages to build modules and themes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to send questions or feedback (critical or otherwise)
>>>>> directly to me if you'd like,
>>>>> .godwin
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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