[TheThinkTank] chris wallace from holistic cycles

Heather Nugen hnugen at gmail.com
Thu Feb 7 04:58:21 PST 2019


Y'all this guy is just baiting you to make you feel bad and/or insecure. I
don't know if he actually is a bike mechanic or not, but don't get caught
up in this little "quiz" of his. He is literally only doing it to "getcha"
and to make you feel like you don't know how to be a mechanic. He is rude
and I do think we should block him from this list if he won't desist from
this behavior as I find it highly unlikely whatever his bike project is
fits the definition of a community bike project-- and yes, I am basing that
evaluation largely on his attitude.

I called him out but privately and he was v. inappropriate with me in that
context as well.

Chris:
Your "lesson" is smarmy and unwelcome. I think you need to work on your
presentation style if you think these issues are really important to "the
industry" (ps: we aren't the industry). As it stands, your delivery is
elitist, presumptive, displays a gross lack of understanding of what
mechanics "need" (you never did ask that) and is really at odds with the
values of this mailing list and community (open source, DIY, mutual aid,
mutual respect).

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>  Message: 1
>  Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:16:22 -0700
>  From: christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating
>  the knowledge base, Would your
>      programs benefit?
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>  So, in the question of wheel truing, I
>  am wondering why you don't allow
>   for rims becoming deformed. As a
>  learned mechanic you know of the
>  procedures Barnett has for unbending a
>  rim, or you know how to replace
>  a rim or even sell a customer an
>  undamaged wheel to replace the
>  damaged one.  Unless you promote
>  that a damage wheel will be just
>  as safe for the cyclist to use as one
>  that is not damaged.
>   As a mechanic: when you sign off that
>  the work is compleated your actions say that the
>   bike is up to standards and safe.A
>  court of law does not recognize ( as
>  safe as it can be) as a legal
>  defination. On your own bike you can work
>   on a bent wheel, On a customers bike,
>  you take on a world of liability
>  if you do not complete a repair to the
>  safest standard, The action of presenting
>  damaged product as safe can harm both
>  you and your business,
>  Your presentation implies that rims
>  maintain
>   perfection except in cases where spoke
>  tension temporarily interferes.
>
>   In other words, it's obvious that
>  while some spokes may become loose
>   through repetitive stress, since the
>  web of spokes share a single load,
>   others will become tighter as the rim
>  deforms. Since little can be done
>   in the average shop to re-perfect the
>  bare rim once deformed, the
>   tighter spokes must maintain some
>  amount of increased tension to keep
>   this now-deformed rim true.
>
>   I'm not going to present any test that
>  I've developed to "prove" this
>   process, I'm actually posting this
>  response because I find it kind of
>   offensive that you keep posting here
>  essentially as a salesperson. When
>   someone posts to a mailing list to
>  sell a product, to me that
>   constitutes cause to block that person
>  from the mailing list.
>
>   If you want to freely share here
>  tutorials and techniques for everyone
>   to review and learn from, in the
>  interest of helping community bike
>   shops hone their skillsets to a higher
>  standard, I'd be the first to get
>   interested. As it is, you never post
>  detailed instructions, and quite
>   frankly a lot of the processes you
>  allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>   with what most of us do on a daily
>  basis. Do you ever tighten a bolt
>   too tightly or without enough clamping
>  force because you do not
>   measure torque? If a bolt broke or
>  slipped would you be liable? Do
>   you like feeling grind in your hubs or
>  see that your cones are pitted
>   in bikes with quick release levers but
>  seldom see cone damaged in bolt on hubs?
>  Do your daily commuter customers
>  complain that there brakes are rubbing and your
>   truing work only lasts for part of a
>  season and not years?
>  Do cyclist ever complain about a click
>  in the pedal area? Are these
>   the bizarrely out of scope ideas you
>  speak of?      Your posts smell like bait.
>  They are bait, Designed to get you to
>  think. If you can not come up with an answer
>  then as a group you can either come up
>  with tests or 100% beliefs. The beliefs are
>  dark ages showing its head in 2019. No
>  one is lifted up in knowledge base or skill with belief.
>  My knowledge is for sale, only because
>  it has value, I also see that your community based
>  bicycle organizations have value. You
>  work hard and do great things, I have worked hard
>  and I make great materials. Your moneys
>  are tight and I am willing to greatly discount my
>  work to help make your programs more
>  profitable, improve quality,  reduce liability, and
>  more.
>  Nicholas, if you see me as having no
>  value to this group, ban me!  If you think I work for
>  free,
>  Bite me!  I want to lift up
>  organizations that are open to improving the experience of
>  cyclist and their businesses.
>
>
>   I'm personally requesting that you
>  reconsider posting here. In this
>   particular case, you even tacked your
>  message onto a completely
>   unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
>  actually talking to a spam bot.
>   Ok I am a bot, you caught me
>   cyclista Nicholas
>
>
>
>   On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>   > I will ask a few questions and I
>  am seeking if you have tests to prove
>   > your answers.
>   >
>   > Does a quick release lever change
>  the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>   > is not important, how do you test
>  to verify your answer is important.
>   > How can this test be used to
>  reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>   >
>   > What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience? Nothing/
>   > Something? The following answers
>  are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>   > engineering based: it should be
>  done, it is done at the factory, it
>   > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>   > have it done. So what does it do?
>  how does it improve a cyclist ride
>   > experience? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>   >
>   > How do stainless steel spokes and
>  cables stretch once and then
>   > magically become harder and never
>  stretch again? If they do not
>   > stretch once, then how do they
>  get longer once? How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
>  do you verify your answer?
>   >
>   > How does a chain that can stretch
>  at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>   > get stretched on a bike frame
>  that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>   > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
>  100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>   > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
>  stretch it? Without destroying their
>   > knees? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>   > Which leads to the question, How
>  does one type of shift lever make a
>   > chain function twice as long as
>  another type. How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Why do mechanics tighten and
>  loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>   > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
>  only need to be tightened to round,
>   > dish, tension, and true a wheel.
>  How can finite element analysis and
>   > computational fluid dynamics help
>  a mechanic work 36 times more
>   > efficiently?
>   >
>   > How can understanding the Sphere
>  Stacking Equation improve the
>   > hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
>  (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>   > systems) and make cycling safer.
>   >
>   > How can a mechanic use a bench as
>  a tool to reduce service time 25%
>   >
>   > Would it help your school, your
>  students, bicycle businesses and
>   > cyclist; if your curriculum
>  included verifiable testing processes,
>   > efficient practices to reduce
>  procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>   > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>   > their cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>   >
>   >
>   > If any of this or all of this is
>  new to you and you would like to
>   > improve your training, feel free
>  to reach out and start a conversation
>   > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
>  Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>   > in Chicago Illinois.
>   >
>   > PS
>   > Yes I have re-invented the wheel
>  three different ways, I am looking to
>   > improve the cycling industry and
>  I feel schools are the best way to do
>   > that! I look forward to hearing
>  from you.
>   >
>   > Sincerely
>   > Christopher O, Wallace
>   >
>   >
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>  Message: 2
>  Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:24:53 -0700
>  From: christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  May I have your best bike for free? or
>  even your best tune up? Or web page work, or social media,
>  or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift up my
>  business for free so that I can lift up yours?
>  For free I gave you ideas you had not
>  come up with yet. The idea of testing your processes to
>  prove that are the same as or different than you current
>  beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the
>  wheel or hold on to your beliefs.
>  You can lift me up and I will lift you
>  up. You can shut me down like a priests in the dark ages did
>  to people of science. I have no power over your actions. I
>  only have knowledge
>  --------- Original Message ---------
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
>  From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer at gmail.com>
>  Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>
>    No, you have it wrong. The
>  knowledge has value, even more, because it is given freely.
>  That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want
>  to share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are
>  wasting our time.
>
>    On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>   Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on
>  a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on
>  a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and
>  should be given away for free?
>
>   When
>   someone posts to a mailing list to
>  sell a product, to me that
>   constitutes cause to block that person
>  from the mailing list.
>
>   If you want to freely share here
>  tutorials and techniques for everyone
>   to review and learn from, in the
>  interest of helping community bike
>   shops hone their skillsets to a higher
>  standard, I'd be the first to get
>   interested. As it is, you never post
>  detailed instructions, and quite
>   frankly a lot of the processes you
>  allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>   with what most of us do on a daily
>  basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>
>   I'm personally requesting that you
>  reconsider posting here. In this
>   particular case, you even tacked your
>  message onto a completely
>   unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
>  actually talking to a spam bot.
>
>   cyclista Nicholas
>
>
>
>   On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>   > I will ask a few questions and I
>  am seeking if you have tests to prove
>   > your answers.
>   >
>   > Does a quick release lever change
>  the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>   > is not important, how do you test
>  to verify your answer is important.
>   > How can this test be used to
>  reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>   >
>   > What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience? Nothing/
>   > Something? The following answers
>  are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>   > engineering based: it should be
>  done, it is done at the factory, it
>   > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>   > have it done. So what does it do?
>  how does it improve a cyclist ride
>   > experience? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>   >
>   > How do stainless steel spokes and
>  cables stretch once and then
>   > magically become harder and never
>  stretch again? If they do not
>   > stretch once, then how do they
>  get longer once? How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
>  do you verify your answer?
>   >
>   > How does a chain that can stretch
>  at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>   > get stretched on a bike frame
>  that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>   > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
>  100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>   > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
>  stretch it? Without destroying their
>   > knees? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>   > Which leads to the question, How
>  does one type of shift lever make a
>   > chain function twice as long as
>  another type. How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Why do mechanics tighten and
>  loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>   > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
>  only need to be tightened to round,
>   > dish, tension, and true a wheel.
>  How can finite element analysis and
>   > computational fluid dynamics help
>  a mechanic work 36 times more
>   > efficiently?
>   >
>   > How can understanding the Sphere
>  Stacking Equation improve the
>   > hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
>  (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>   > systems) and make cycling safer.
>   >
>   > How can a mechanic use a bench as
>  a tool to reduce service time 25%
>   >
>   > Would it help your school, your
>  students, bicycle businesses and
>   > cyclist; if your curriculum
>  included verifiable testing processes,
>   > efficient practices to reduce
>  procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>   > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>   > their cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>   >
>   >
>   > If any of this or all of this is
>  new to you and you would like to
>   > improve your training, feel free
>  to reach out and start a conversation
>   > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
>  Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>   > in Chicago Illinois.
>   >
>   > PS
>   > Yes I have re-invented the wheel
>  three different ways, I am looking to
>   > improve the cycling industry and
>  I feel schools are the best way to do
>   > that! I look forward to hearing
>  from you.
>   >
>   > Sincerely
>   > Christopher O, Wallace
>   >
>   >
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>  Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:40:51 -0700
>  From: christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating
>  the knowledge base, Would your
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>  It is funny you mention my friend
>  Sheldon, I was talking with him on the phone about some
>  of these subjects 6 days before he
>  died. He was sick for a long time, but he did not know he
>  was
>  going to die that soon. He loved his
>  opinions on all types of bike subjects, and was surprized
>  by the science and six sigma continuous
>  improvement process that was happening in bike
>  education.
>
>  --------- Original Message ---------
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base,
>  Would your programs benefit?
>  From: "Jean-François Caron"
>  <jfcaron3 at gmail.com>
>  Date: 2/4/19 7:37 am
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>
>  It reminded me of ShelBroCo April
>  Fool's pages.
>  e.g.:
>  https://www.sheldonbrown.com/power-wheel.html
>
>  Jean-François
>
>    On Feb 4, 2019, at 06:13 ,
>  Dennis Wollersheim <dewoller at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>    Thanks for that Nicholas.
>  Christopher's original post disturbed me, but as I am a
>  relative newbie, I did not want to call him out.  You
>  did the right thing, in a very respectful fashion.
>
>  Warmly
>  Dennis
>
>
>    On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 7:32 PM
>  Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista at inventati.org>
>  wrote:
>  So, in the question of wheel truing, I
>  am wondering why you don't allow
>   for rims becoming deformed. Your
>  presentation implies that rims maintain
>   perfection except in cases where spoke
>  tension temporarily interferes.
>
>   In other words, it's obvious that
>  while some spokes may become loose
>   through repetitive stress, since the
>  web of spokes share a single load,
>   others will become tighter as the rim
>  deforms. Since little can be done
>   in the average shop to re-perfect the
>  bare rim once deformed, the
>   tighter spokes must maintain some
>  amount of increased tension to keep
>   this now-deformed rim true.
>
>   I'm not going to present any test that
>  I've developed to "prove" this
>   process, I'm actually posting this
>  response because I find it kind of
>   offensive that you keep posting here
>  essentially as a salesperson. When
>   someone posts to a mailing list to
>  sell a product, to me that
>   constitutes cause to block that person
>  from the mailing list.
>
>   If you want to freely share here
>  tutorials and techniques for everyone
>   to review and learn from, in the
>  interest of helping community bike
>   shops hone their skillsets to a higher
>  standard, I'd be the first to get
>   interested. As it is, you never post
>  detailed instructions, and quite
>   frankly a lot of the processes you
>  allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>   with what most of us do on a daily
>  basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>
>   I'm personally requesting that you
>  reconsider posting here. In this
>   particular case, you even tacked your
>  message onto a completely
>   unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
>  actually talking to a spam bot.
>
>   cyclista Nicholas
>
>
>
>   On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>   > I will ask a few questions and I
>  am seeking if you have tests to prove
>   > your answers.
>   >
>   > Does a quick release lever change
>  the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>   > is not important, how do you test
>  to verify your answer is important.
>   > How can this test be used to
>  reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>   >
>   > What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience?  Nothing/
>   > Something? The following answers
>  are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>   > engineering based: it should be
>  done, it is done at the factory, it
>   > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>   > have it done. So what does it do?
>  how does it improve a cyclist ride
>   > experience? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>   >
>   > How do stainless steel spokes and
>  cables stretch once and then
>   > magically become harder and never
>  stretch again? If they do not
>   > stretch once, then how do they
>  get longer once? How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
>  do you verify your answer?
>   >
>   > How does a chain that can stretch
>  at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>   > get stretched on a bike frame
>  that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>   > lbs cyclist. How can a  45
>  Kg or 100 pound cyclist  put  900 Kg or
>   > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
>  stretch it? Without destroying their
>   > knees? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>   > Which leads to the question, How
>  does one type of shift lever make a
>   > chain function twice as long as
>  another type. How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Why do mechanics tighten and
>  loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>   > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
>  only need to be tightened to round,
>   > dish, tension, and true a wheel.
>  How can finite element analysis and
>   > computational fluid dynamics help
>  a mechanic work 36 times more
>   > efficiently?
>   >
>   > How can understanding the Sphere
>  Stacking Equation improve the
>   > hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
>  (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>   > systems) and make cycling safer.
>   >
>   > How can a mechanic use a bench as
>  a tool to reduce service time 25%
>   >
>   > Would it help your school, your
>  students, bicycle businesses and
>   > cyclist; if your curriculum
>  included verifiable testing processes,
>   > efficient practices to reduce
>  procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>   > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>   > their cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>   >
>   >
>   > If any of this or all of this is
>  new to you and you would like to
>   > improve your training, feel free
>  to reach out and start a conversation
>   > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
>  Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>   > in Chicago Illinois.
>   >
>   > PS
>   > Yes I have re-invented the wheel
>  three different ways, I am looking to
>   > improve the cycling industry and
>  I feel schools are the best way to do
>   > that! I look forward to hearing
>  from you.
>   >
>   > Sincerely
>   > Christopher O, Wallace
>   >
>   >
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>  Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 16:17:00 -0700
>  From: christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  To: thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org
>  Subject: [TheThinkTank] Free knowledge
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>  All the points you raise have answers
>  in mechanical engineering and bicycle mechanics.
>  To pick one: the compression of a
>  closed quick release does change the adjustment of hub
>  bearings, easily demonstrated. Various techniques exist to
>  correct the hub bearings adjustment for this. Barnett
>  publishes a technique, a bit fussy, but it works. The
>  technique he demonstrated to me was flawed.  I show him
>  the flaw in logic and he dismissed it. He put pressure on
>  the end of an axle on one side of a hub and pressure on the
>  lock nut on the other side of the hub. There is never any
>  pressure on the end of a skewered axle. The clamping force
>  is only on the lock nuts against the dropout surfaces. His
>  test had two variables instead of one. Does the axle
>  compress under quick release loads or do the threads flex.
>  One test will not answer two variables. Two test are needed
>  to test two variables. Yet only one test is valid. Since a
>  QR can never press against the end of an axle and still have
>  clamping force on a  lock nut against the dropout,
>  pressing against the end of the axle test is inva
>   lid.  John' s testing wanted to
>  find a specific amount that a hub could be adjusted from the
>  standard bench adjustment to the on the bike correction for
>  quick release forces. He came to realize that the variables
>  in axle materials and quick release materials and
>  construction were to great for a unified answer. I solved
>  for his issues and his beliefs dismissed my solution.
>  I demonstrated a perfect adjustment for the added load of a
>  quick release in less than 30 seconds. Once I did six
>  adjustment in 10 seconds.  My special tools cost
>  $6 from a frame builder.    Special tools do
>  exist, but unnecessary. Most mechanics learn in school or
>  from someone like me, People are asking me for free
>  instruction, is your knowledge free? if not why are you
>  advertising here also? and most develop their preferred
>  method.
>
>  Chains don't stretch. At 2000 pound of
>  force chains do stretch, True: on a bike they only wear.
>  Cables do. At 550 pounds of force derailleur cables stretch,
>  but the plastic shift lever mount will fail at 200 pounds of
>  force, at 800 pounds of force brake cables stretch. sadly a
>  rim side wall brake surface will start to fail at 160 pounds
>  of force. Numbers don't lie and are verifiable. (Very
>  different structures.)
>
>  Spokes remain elastic. Spoke elbows
>  deform from the original 90 degrees to the best pull angle,
>  effectively making spokes longer once. On aluminum hubs the
>  elbow indents the hub flange hole making the spoke
>  effectively longer once. Neither of these changes the
>  elastic properties of the spoke, but they do make the spoke
>  effectively longer once and drop the tension of the wheel,
>  allowing for greater tension ranges in spokes, creating
>  early fatigue and spoke failure. Also reducing the
>  efficiency of the wheel to accelerate as looser spokes need
>  to be tensioned by the force from the chain before they move
>  the cyclist forward,  and the wheel has more side to
>  side movement with looser spokes making control and braking
>  less than optimal.
>
>  May I suggest that these complete
>  thoughts are not currently put together cohesively by
>  engineering books which I have intensely studied, or bicycle
>  best practices knowledge bases. or by you.
>
>  May I suggest familiarizing yourself
>  with current best practice (rather than the noise that gets
>  written on the web).
>
>  I suggest Sharp for the basic
>  mechanical engineering My experiments with the wheel in both
>  practice and with finite element analysis and
>  computational fluid dynamic program ANAYS. have shown
>  insight intto the wheel and how to do wheel work 20 faster
>  for better result.   and Barnett for current mechanic
>  best practice. As a BBI certified master tech, I can point
>  out many flaws to Barnett's best practices. From making
>  mechanics less profitable with slow procedures that are not
>  valid in their testing. To just plain bad science
>  understanding.
>
>  Get back to me if you have questions
>  after having thoroughly understood those.
>   I am back, Now are you ready to learn?
>  or do you have any ideas of your own that are brilliant. I
>  am all ears
>
>    On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:24 PM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  Hi David,
>  What are you trying to build? I am not
>  trying to builds I am trying to understand what has been
>  built to improve efficiency of mechanics by up to 40 times
>  current speed. Helping mechanics earn a living wage.
>  Not a lot of CFD in the bike world. Do
>  you know this as fact or a belief that you hold strongly?
>  And after over a hundred years of
>  engineering, not a lot of need for FEA. In the 1880's to
>  1890's there was amazing engineering, some material sciences
>  in the 1980's improved friction, ending of the cold war
>  brought advanced materials in the 80's and 90's  Sadly
>  as a student of the root causes of problems I have found the
>  engineering in most bicycle systems is lost and strong held
>  beliefs are the replacement.
>
>  A couple of examples:
>  A chain has a pull strength of 2000
>  pounds before it stretches, If you wish to stretch a chain
>  put a car on your back and stand on one pedal. What is the
>  root of chain lengthening, What is the relationship between
>  side to side flex of a chain and shifting quality? Do all
>  new chains that measure the same length have the same side
>  flex? Is there a relationship between chain length and
>  flex.
>  A spoke is made of a magical metal that
>  stretches once and then becomes a harder metal and never
>  stretches again. A spoke can be tightened until it will pull
>  the nipple through the rim because the rim is not as strong
>  as pull force that can be applied by the spoke. So how do
>  rims stretch spokes to become looser in tension during the
>  first 30 days of riding?
>  Derailleur cables are anchored by a
>  threaded fastener on one end and on the other end sits in a
>  plastic seat in the shift lever. The derailleur cable has a
>  pull strength of 500 pounds of pull before it will stretch,
>  the plastic seat will fail before the cable will. How do
>  cables stretch one time then never stretch again when pulled
>  by a weaker plastic component?
>
>  Does a quick release lever change the
>  adjustment of a hub? How do you isolate and test your
>  theory? How do you adjust the hub precisely for a
>  combination of a specific axle (mild steel, hardened steel,
>  Titanium, Aluminum, ) and a specific Quick Release material
>  (Steel, Aluminum, Titanium, with or with out plastic
>  components )? How do you precisely adjust a hub for QR
>  forces in less than 20 seconds? If engineering has been
>  done, then it should be easy to answer all these question by
>  looking in books, or on line, or from schools.
>
>  Which acts like a fluid on the bicycle?
>  hydraulic brake fluid? a wheel rim? or a chain?  A
>  little hint, Brake fluid when contain in a system acts as a
>  solid to transfer forces. Brake fluid outside of a system
>  acts like a fluid.
>
>  If you would like to communicate on how
>  CFD with FEA can change the world of cycling I would love to
>  talk, If you believe engineers created cables that stretch
>  once, spokes that stretch once, chains that stretch with
>  human load of less than 2000 pounds, well I will not change
>  your strong belief system.
>
>
>  Christopher Wallace
>  773 490 0683
>
>
>
>   Good morning,
>  Sorry, no. I once did some programming
>  for FEA and CNC but ages ago, and my IT friends wrangle
>  server farms, databases, and state IT departments.
>
>  Take a look at Monster.
>
>
>  Also post a query on one of the CMU
>  boards or Pitt Craigslist.
>
>  What are you trying to build?
>  Not a lot of CFD in the bike world.
>  And after over a hundred years of
>  engineering, not a lot of need for FEA.
>
>
>
>  David
>
>    On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 11:14 AM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  Do you know anyone that is fluent in
>  Ansys? CFD FEA? or know where I could look for a person in
>  the field?
>
>  Christopher Wallace
>  Holistic Cycles
>  773 490 0683
>  Oak Park, IL. 60304
>
>
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
>   Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM
>   From: David Zundel <davidzundel at gmail.com>
>   Date: Sat, October 15, 2016 6:38 pm
>   To: Jonathan Morrison <jonathan at bicyclecollective.org>,
>  The Think Tank
>   <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>
>   CiviCRM goes on a server (vps
>  recommended and affordable)
>   then accessed by a web page, fairly
>  easy.
>  Or you buy Civi hosting, but that
>  defeats some of the purpose of using Civi.
>  Civi has considerable power and
>  ability, can connect with ERP, etc
>  but not for IT novice.
>  Easy to install, configure, and
>  maintain if you have experience and comfort with Linux
>  servers, if not, not.
>
>  You can certainly hire the Linux talent
>  in SLC, but dependence on outside IT service has
>  inconveniences.
>
>  Email me directly if you want to get
>  into details on Civi.
>
>  David
>  http://openwest.us
>
>
>    On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 8:20 PM
>  Jonathan Morrison <jonathan at bicyclecollective.org>
>  wrote:
>  What staff resources does it require?
>
>    On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 7:19 PM
>  jack <jack at bikewalkwichita.org>
>  wrote:
>  We use Salesforce / Wordpress /
>  Mailchimp and have been pleased with what all we can do, for
>  free.
>
>
>   -------- Original message --------
>  From: David Zundel
>  Date:10/15/2016 7:33 PM (GMT-06:00)
>  To: The Think Tank
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM
>
>  CiviCRM recommended
>  David
>
>    On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 6:13 PM
>  Jonathan Morrison <jonathan at bicyclecollective.org>
>  wrote:
>  Has anyone been using (https://civicrm.org/) or would they recommend a
>  different software package?
>
>  -Jonathan
>
>
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>  Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 15:57:21 -0800
>  From: Jim Bledsoe <gamesbledsoe at gmail.com>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  What we here at the thinktank are, is a
>  bunch of open source bicycle
>  advocates.
>  When one posts a long drawn out list of
>  questions with a pay me now gotcha
>  at the end it will tend to raise
>  hackles
>    "What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience?"  were you
>  meaning "pacing"   or more
>  succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here?
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  > Tell me if I am wrong. If you work
>  on a bike and make it better, that work
>  > has value. If I work on a process
>  and make it better, the knowledge has no
>  > value and should be given away for
>  free?
>  >
>  >
>  > When
>  > someone posts to a mailing list to
>  sell a product, to me that
>  > constitutes cause to block that
>  person from the mailing list.
>  >
>  > If you want to freely share here
>  tutorials and techniques for everyone
>  > to review and learn from, in the
>  interest of helping community bike
>  > shops hone their skillsets to a
>  higher standard, I'd be the first to get
>  > interested. As it is, you never
>  post detailed instructions, and quite
>  > frankly a lot of the processes you
>  allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>  > with what most of us do on a daily
>  basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>  >
>  > I'm personally requesting that you
>  reconsider posting here. In this
>  > particular case, you even tacked
>  your message onto a completely
>  > unrelated thread. I mean, might be
>  I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
>  >
>  > cyclista Nicholas
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>  > > I will ask a few questions
>  and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
>  > > your answers.
>  > >
>  > > Does a quick release lever
>  change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>  > > is not important, how do you
>  test to verify your answer is important.
>  > > How can this test be used to
>  reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>  > >
>  > > What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience? Nothing/
>  > > Something? The following
>  answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>  > > engineering based: it should
>  be done, it is done at the factory, it
>  > > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>  > > have it done. So what does it
>  do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
>  > > experience? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>  > >
>  > > How do stainless steel spokes
>  and cables stretch once and then
>  > > magically become harder and
>  never stretch again? If they do not
>  > > stretch once, then how do
>  they get longer once? How do you verify your
>  > > answer?
>  > >
>  > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No,
>  how do you verify your answer?
>  > >
>  > > How does a chain that can
>  stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>  > > get stretched on a bike frame
>  that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>  > > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg
>  or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>  > > 2000 Lbs of force into a
>  chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
>  > > knees? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>  > > Which leads to the question,
>  How does one type of shift lever make a
>  > > chain function twice as long
>  as another type. How do you verify your
>  > > answer?
>  > >
>  > > Why do mechanics tighten and
>  loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>  > > wheel spokes get looser.
>  Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
>  > > dish, tension, and true a
>  wheel. How can finite element analysis and
>  > > computational fluid dynamics
>  help a mechanic work 36 times more
>  > > efficiently?
>  > >
>  > > How can understanding the
>  Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
>  > > hydraulic systems on a
>  bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>  > > systems) and make cycling
>  safer.
>  > >
>  > > How can a mechanic use a
>  bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
>  > >
>  > > Would it help your school,
>  your students, bicycle businesses and
>  > > cyclist; if your curriculum
>  included verifiable testing processes,
>  > > efficient practices to reduce
>  procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>  > > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>  > > their cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > If any of this or all of this
>  is new to you and you would like to
>  > > improve your training, feel
>  free to reach out and start a conversation
>  > > telephone only. 773 -490
>  -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>  > > in Chicago Illinois.
>  > >
>  > > PS
>  > > Yes I have re-invented the
>  wheel three different ways, I am looking to
>  > > improve the cycling industry
>  and I feel schools are the best way to do
>  > > that! I look forward to
>  hearing from you.
>  > >
>  > > Sincerely
>  > > Christopher O, Wallace
>  > >
>  > >
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>  Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:13:35 -0700
>  From: christopher at holisticcycles.com
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>  I did mean facing the Bottom Bracket
>  shell or the Stem, Head Tube, and Fork Crown race.
>  Does it make you faster? or Lighter?
>  Tighter tolerances?  Wear things less? Make adjustments
>  better? Make adjustments stay longer? Make things last
>  longer? Make things parallel? Make things lock more
>  securely?
>  Why do professional racers do it, but
>  year round cyclist don't? What is the benefit of having it
>  done?
>
>  Just because you have a tool, or know
>  of a procedure, do you know why it is a benefit to the
>  cyclist? Any procedure, part or accessory to a bike,
>  Socratic Moment: WHY is service or product of value to the
>  customer?
>
>  If you do not know, then it is very
>  hard to sell the service or the product. Many tools and
>  serviced go unused because of our abilities to communicate
>  their value to the customer.
>
>  --------- Original Message ---------
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
>  From: "Jim Bledsoe" <gamesbledsoe at gmail.com>
>  Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>
>   What we here at the thinktank are, is
>  a bunch of open source bicycle advocates.
>  When one posts a long drawn out list of
>  questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend
>  to raise hackles
>    "What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience?"  were you meaning
>  "pacing"   or more  succinctly, maintaining a high
>  cadence here?
>
>
>
>    On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>   Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on
>  a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on
>  a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and
>  should be given away for free?
>
>   When
>   someone posts to a mailing list to
>  sell a product, to me that
>   constitutes cause to block that person
>  from the mailing list.
>
>   If you want to freely share here
>  tutorials and techniques for everyone
>   to review and learn from, in the
>  interest of helping community bike
>   shops hone their skillsets to a higher
>  standard, I'd be the first to get
>   interested. As it is, you never post
>  detailed instructions, and quite
>   frankly a lot of the processes you
>  allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>   with what most of us do on a daily
>  basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>
>   I'm personally requesting that you
>  reconsider posting here. In this
>   particular case, you even tacked your
>  message onto a completely
>   unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
>  actually talking to a spam bot.
>
>   cyclista Nicholas
>
>
>
>   On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>   > I will ask a few questions and I
>  am seeking if you have tests to prove
>   > your answers.
>   >
>   > Does a quick release lever change
>  the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>   > is not important, how do you test
>  to verify your answer is important.
>   > How can this test be used to
>  reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>   >
>   > What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience? Nothing/
>   > Something? The following answers
>  are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>   > engineering based: it should be
>  done, it is done at the factory, it
>   > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>   > have it done. So what does it do?
>  how does it improve a cyclist ride
>   > experience? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>   >
>   > How do stainless steel spokes and
>  cables stretch once and then
>   > magically become harder and never
>  stretch again? If they do not
>   > stretch once, then how do they
>  get longer once? How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
>  do you verify your answer?
>   >
>   > How does a chain that can stretch
>  at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>   > get stretched on a bike frame
>  that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>   > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
>  100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>   > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
>  stretch it? Without destroying their
>   > knees? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>   > Which leads to the question, How
>  does one type of shift lever make a
>   > chain function twice as long as
>  another type. How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Why do mechanics tighten and
>  loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>   > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
>  only need to be tightened to round,
>   > dish, tension, and true a wheel.
>  How can finite element analysis and
>   > computational fluid dynamics help
>  a mechanic work 36 times more
>   > efficiently?
>   >
>   > How can understanding the Sphere
>  Stacking Equation improve the
>   > hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
>  (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>   > systems) and make cycling safer.
>   >
>   > How can a mechanic use a bench as
>  a tool to reduce service time 25%
>   >
>   > Would it help your school, your
>  students, bicycle businesses and
>   > cyclist; if your curriculum
>  included verifiable testing processes,
>   > efficient practices to reduce
>  procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>   > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>   > their cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>   >
>   >
>   > If any of this or all of this is
>  new to you and you would like to
>   > improve your training, feel free
>  to reach out and start a conversation
>   > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
>  Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>   > in Chicago Illinois.
>   >
>   > PS
>   > Yes I have re-invented the wheel
>  three different ways, I am looking to
>   > improve the cycling industry and
>  I feel schools are the best way to do
>   > that! I look forward to hearing
>  from you.
>   >
>   > Sincerely
>   > Christopher O, Wallace
>   >
>   >
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>  Message: 7
>  Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:24:27 -0700
>  From: christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: [TheThinkTank] Both Body and
>  bike benefit
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>  Pacing in a group is a nice community
>  experience. Maintaining a high Cadence is healthy for your
>  body and your bike. Higher pedal spin for the same velocity
>  increases heart rate, increasing blood flow and lubrication
>  to the joints, reduces the pressure in the leg joint
>  surfaces and the connective tissue, reducing wear on the
>  disks and allowing connective tissue to grow in strength at
>  a similar rate to the muscle tissue. The high cadence
>  reduces the load in the drive train, and places the load in
>  bigger cogs transferring the load across a greater surface
>  area and across more teeth reducing wear.
>  Benefiting both your body health and
>  your wallet in reduced repair cost.
>
>  --------- Original Message ---------
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
>  From: "Jim Bledsoe" <gamesbledsoe at gmail.com>
>  Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>
>   What we here at the thinktank are, is
>  a bunch of open source bicycle advocates.
>  When one posts a long drawn out list of
>  questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend
>  to raise hackles
>    "What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience?"  were you meaning
>  "pacing"   or more  succinctly, maintaining a high
>  cadence here?
>
>
>
>    On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>   Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on
>  a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on
>  a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and
>  should be given away for free?
>
>   When
>   someone posts to a mailing list to
>  sell a product, to me that
>   constitutes cause to block that person
>  from the mailing list.
>
>   If you want to freely share here
>  tutorials and techniques for everyone
>   to review and learn from, in the
>  interest of helping community bike
>   shops hone their skillsets to a higher
>  standard, I'd be the first to get
>   interested. As it is, you never post
>  detailed instructions, and quite
>   frankly a lot of the processes you
>  allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>   with what most of us do on a daily
>  basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>
>   I'm personally requesting that you
>  reconsider posting here. In this
>   particular case, you even tacked your
>  message onto a completely
>   unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
>  actually talking to a spam bot.
>
>   cyclista Nicholas
>
>
>
>   On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>   > I will ask a few questions and I
>  am seeking if you have tests to prove
>   > your answers.
>   >
>   > Does a quick release lever change
>  the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>   > is not important, how do you test
>  to verify your answer is important.
>   > How can this test be used to
>  reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>   >
>   > What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience? Nothing/
>   > Something? The following answers
>  are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>   > engineering based: it should be
>  done, it is done at the factory, it
>   > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>   > have it done. So what does it do?
>  how does it improve a cyclist ride
>   > experience? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>   >
>   > How do stainless steel spokes and
>  cables stretch once and then
>   > magically become harder and never
>  stretch again? If they do not
>   > stretch once, then how do they
>  get longer once? How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
>  do you verify your answer?
>   >
>   > How does a chain that can stretch
>  at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>   > get stretched on a bike frame
>  that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>   > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
>  100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>   > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
>  stretch it? Without destroying their
>   > knees? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>   > Which leads to the question, How
>  does one type of shift lever make a
>   > chain function twice as long as
>  another type. How do you verify your
>   > answer?
>   >
>   > Why do mechanics tighten and
>  loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>   > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
>  only need to be tightened to round,
>   > dish, tension, and true a wheel.
>  How can finite element analysis and
>   > computational fluid dynamics help
>  a mechanic work 36 times more
>   > efficiently?
>   >
>   > How can understanding the Sphere
>  Stacking Equation improve the
>   > hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
>  (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>   > systems) and make cycling safer.
>   >
>   > How can a mechanic use a bench as
>  a tool to reduce service time 25%
>   >
>   > Would it help your school, your
>  students, bicycle businesses and
>   > cyclist; if your curriculum
>  included verifiable testing processes,
>   > efficient practices to reduce
>  procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>   > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>   > their cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>   >
>   >
>   > If any of this or all of this is
>  new to you and you would like to
>   > improve your training, feel free
>  to reach out and start a conversation
>   > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
>  Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>   > in Chicago Illinois.
>   >
>   > PS
>   > Yes I have re-invented the wheel
>  three different ways, I am looking to
>   > improve the cycling industry and
>  I feel schools are the best way to do
>   > that! I look forward to hearing
>  from you.
>   >
>   > Sincerely
>   > Christopher O, Wallace
>   >
>   >
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>  Message: 8
>  Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 19:38:59 -0700
>  From: christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: [TheThinkTank] Trump and
>  Science
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>  It has been brought to my attention
>  that many of you do not like Trumps stance on science. Where
>  his opinion is more valid than Testable, peer reviewed,
>  repeatable science
>  At the same time when opinions about
>  the bicycle are faced with testable, peer reviewed,
>  repeatable science, the science is questioned by members of
>  this list.
>
>  Your opinion matters, it is called a
>  hypothesis.  Science proves or disproves hypothesis.
>  Once a hypothesis is turned into a test and proved or
>  disproved,  then those with descending opinions
>  peer review the results, to confirm or
>  deny the results.  If they are not happy they should
>  test their own hypothesis's and have them peer
>  reviewed.  An opinion on the matter is called a guess.
>
>  I am told your guesses, your opinions,
>  are to be honored and respected more than science based
>  testing. For that I apologize.
>
>  Raise a glass to you.
>
>  Christopher O Wallace
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>  Message: 9
>  Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:46:30 -0500
>  From: Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel at gmail.com>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
>  Message-ID:
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>  Is this person banned yet? Asking for a
>  friend.
>
>  On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  > May I have your best bike for
>  free? or even your best tune up? Or web page
>  > work, or social media, or NFP
>  wording? What are you willing to do to lift
>  > up my business for free so that I
>  can lift up yours?
>  > For free I gave you ideas you had
>  not come up with yet. The idea of
>  > testing your processes to prove
>  that are the same as or different than you
>  > current beliefs/ practices. You as
>  a group can reinvent the
>  > wheel or hold on to your beliefs.
>  > You can lift me up and I will lift
>  you up. You can shut me down like a
>  > priests in the dark ages did to
>  people of science. I have no power over
>  > your actions. I only have
>  knowledge
>  >
>  > --------- Original Message
>  ---------
>  > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
>  have this wrong?
>  > From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer at gmail.com>
>  > Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
>  > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  >
>  > No, you have it wrong. The
>  knowledge has value, even more, because it is
>  > given freely. That is the point of
>  ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
>  > share freely, this is wrong place
>  for you and you are wasting our time.
>  >
>  > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >> Tell me if I am wrong. If you
>  work on a bike and make it better, that
>  >> work has value. If I work on a
>  process and make it better, the knowledge
>  >> has no value and should be
>  given away for free?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> When
>  >> someone posts to a mailing
>  list to sell a product, to me that
>  >> constitutes cause to block
>  that person from the mailing list.
>  >>
>  >> If you want to freely share
>  here tutorials and techniques for everyone
>  >> to review and learn from, in
>  the interest of helping community bike
>  >> shops hone their skillsets to
>  a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
>  >> interested. As it is, you
>  never post detailed instructions, and quite
>  >> frankly a lot of the processes
>  you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>  >> with what most of us do on a
>  daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>  >>
>  >> I'm personally requesting that
>  you reconsider posting here. In this
>  >> particular case, you even
>  tacked your message onto a completely
>  >> unrelated thread. I mean,
>  might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
>  >>
>  >> cyclista Nicholas
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>  >> > I will ask a few
>  questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
>  >> > your answers.
>  >> >
>  >> > Does a quick release
>  lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>  >> > is not important, how do
>  you test to verify your answer is important.
>  >> > How can this test be used
>  to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>  >> >
>  >> > What does facing do for
>  the customers ride experience? Nothing/
>  >> > Something? The following
>  answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>  >> > engineering based: it
>  should be done, it is done at the factory, it
>  >> > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>  >> > have it done. So what
>  does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
>  >> > experience? How do you
>  verify your answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > How do stainless steel
>  spokes and cables stretch once and then
>  >> > magically become harder
>  and never stretch again? If they do not
>  >> > stretch once, then how do
>  they get longer once? How do you verify your
>  >> > answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
>  No, how do you verify your answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > How does a chain that can
>  stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>  >> > get stretched on a bike
>  frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>  >> > lbs cyclist. How can a 45
>  Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>  >> > 2000 Lbs of force into a
>  chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
>  >> > knees? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>  >> > Which leads to the
>  question, How does one type of shift lever make a
>  >> > chain function twice as
>  long as another type. How do you verify your
>  >> > answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > Why do mechanics tighten
>  and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>  >> > wheel spokes get looser.
>  Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
>  >> > dish, tension, and true a
>  wheel. How can finite element analysis and
>  >> > computational fluid
>  dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
>  >> > efficiently?
>  >> >
>  >> > How can understanding the
>  Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
>  >> > hydraulic systems on a
>  bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>  >> > systems) and make cycling
>  safer.
>  >> >
>  >> > How can a mechanic use a
>  bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
>  >> >
>  >> > Would it help your
>  school, your students, bicycle businesses and
>  >> > cyclist; if your
>  curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
>  >> > efficient practices to
>  reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>  >> > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>  >> > their cycling experience
>  to improve sales?
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  >> > If any of this or all of
>  this is new to you and you would like to
>  >> > improve your training,
>  feel free to reach out and start a conversation
>  >> > telephone only. 773 -490
>  -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>  >> > in Chicago Illinois.
>  >> >
>  >> > PS
>  >> > Yes I have re-invented
>  the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
>  >> > improve the cycling
>  industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
>  >> > that! I look forward to
>  hearing from you.
>  >> >
>  >> > Sincerely
>  >> > Christopher O, Wallace
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  ____________________________________
>  >> >
>  >> > The ThinkTank mailing
>  List
>  >> >
>  >> > Unsubscribe from this
>  list here:
>  >> >
>  >>
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>  Message: 10
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 05:07:33 +0000
>  From: Godwin ! <goodgodwin at hotmail.com>
>  To: Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel at gmail.com>,
>  The Think Tank
>      <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  Yes. I sent him an email asking him to
>  stop and apologize, he replied with more confusing insults
>  and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I removed and
>  blocked him.
>
>  godwin
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: Thethinktank <thethinktank-bounces at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  on behalf of Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel at gmail.com>
>  Sent: February 4, 2019 7:46 PM
>  To: The Think Tank
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
>
>  Is this person banned yet? Asking for a
>  friend.
>
>  On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher at holisticcycles.com<mailto:
> christopher at holisticcycles.com>>
>  wrote:
>  May I have your best bike for free? or
>  even your best tune up? Or web page work, or social media,
>  or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift up my
>  business for free so that I can lift up yours?
>  For free I gave you ideas you had not
>  come up with yet. The idea of testing your processes to
>  prove that are the same as or different than you current
>  beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the
>  wheel or hold on to your beliefs.
>  You can lift me up and I will lift you
>  up. You can shut me down like a priests in the dark ages did
>  to people of science. I have no power over your actions. I
>  only have knowledge
>  --------- Original Message ---------
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
>  From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer at gmail.com<mailto:kevidwyer at gmail.com>>
>  Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
>  To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org<mailto:
> thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>>
>
>  No, you have it wrong. The knowledge
>  has value, even more, because it is given freely. That is
>  the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to share
>  freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our
>  time.
>
>  On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher at holisticcycles.com<mailto:
> christopher at holisticcycles.com>>
>  wrote:
>  Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a
>  bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a
>  process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and
>  should be given away for free?
>
>  When
>  someone posts to a mailing list to sell
>  a product, to me that
>  constitutes cause to block that person
>  from the mailing list.
>
>  If you want to freely share here
>  tutorials and techniques for everyone
>  to review and learn from, in the
>  interest of helping community bike
>  shops hone their skillsets to a higher
>  standard, I'd be the first to get
>  interested. As it is, you never post
>  detailed instructions, and quite
>  frankly a lot of the processes you
>  allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>  with what most of us do on a daily
>  basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>
>  I'm personally requesting that you
>  reconsider posting here. In this
>  particular case, you even tacked your
>  message onto a completely
>  unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
>  actually talking to a spam bot.
>
>  cyclista Nicholas
>
>
>
>  On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com<mailto:
> christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  > I will ask a few questions and I
>  am seeking if you have tests to prove
>  > your answers.
>  >
>  > Does a quick release lever change
>  the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>  > is not important, how do you test
>  to verify your answer is important.
>  > How can this test be used to
>  reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>  >
>  > What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience? Nothing/
>  > Something? The following answers
>  are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>  > engineering based: it should be
>  done, it is done at the factory, it
>  > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>  > have it done. So what does it do?
>  how does it improve a cyclist ride
>  > experience? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>  >
>  > How do stainless steel spokes and
>  cables stretch once and then
>  > magically become harder and never
>  stretch again? If they do not
>  > stretch once, then how do they get
>  longer once? How do you verify your
>  > answer?
>  >
>  > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
>  do you verify your answer?
>  >
>  > How does a chain that can stretch
>  at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>  > get stretched on a bike frame that
>  can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>  > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
>  100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>  > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
>  stretch it? Without destroying their
>  > knees? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>  > Which leads to the question, How
>  does one type of shift lever make a
>  > chain function twice as long as
>  another type. How do you verify your
>  > answer?
>  >
>  > Why do mechanics tighten and
>  loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>  > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
>  only need to be tightened to round,
>  > dish, tension, and true a wheel.
>  How can finite element analysis and
>  > computational fluid dynamics help
>  a mechanic work 36 times more
>  > efficiently?
>  >
>  > How can understanding the Sphere
>  Stacking Equation improve the
>  > hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
>  (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>  > systems) and make cycling safer.
>  >
>  > How can a mechanic use a bench as
>  a tool to reduce service time 25%
>  >
>  > Would it help your school, your
>  students, bicycle businesses and
>  > cyclist; if your curriculum
>  included verifiable testing processes,
>  > efficient practices to reduce
>  procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>  > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>  > their cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>  >
>  >
>  > If any of this or all of this is
>  new to you and you would like to
>  > improve your training, feel free
>  to reach out and start a conversation
>  > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
>  Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>  > in Chicago Illinois.
>  >
>  > PS
>  > Yes I have re-invented the wheel
>  three different ways, I am looking to
>  > improve the cycling industry and I
>  feel schools are the best way to do
>  > that! I look forward to hearing
>  from you.
>  >
>  > Sincerely
>  > Christopher O, Wallace
>  >
>  >
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>  Message: 11
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 00:17:19 -0500
>  From: Ainsley Naylor <needleandthread at gmail.com>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Both Body
>  and bike benefit
>  Message-ID:
>
>  <CAEkJx+kG3OC_VpKR6ttgQQ+2JCoZNrKCq4UY_QdvCfPniYY+aA at mail.gmail.com>
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>
>  Hey friend, do you have a question
>  about running a non-profit community
>  bike project? Or something to share to
>  that end? Because that is what this
>  list is for.
>
>  Please refrain from long, tangential
>  diatribes. We are all keen to maintain
>  this useful, supportive community, but
>  this email exchange is leaving me
>  feeling frustrated and exhausted.
>
>  Thank you!
>  Ainsley.
>
>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  > Pacing in a group is a nice
>  community experience. Maintaining a high
>  > Cadence is healthy for your body
>  and your bike. Higher pedal spin for the
>  > same velocity increases heart
>  rate, increasing blood flow and lubrication
>  > to the joints, reduces the
>  pressure in the leg joint surfaces and the
>  > connective tissue, reducing wear
>  on the disks and allowing connective
>  > tissue to grow in strength at a
>  similar rate to the muscle tissue. The high
>  > cadence reduces the load in the
>  drive train, and places the load in bigger
>  > cogs transferring the load across
>  a greater surface area and across more
>  > teeth reducing wear.
>  > Benefiting both your body health
>  and your wallet in reduced repair cost.
>  >
>  >
>  > --------- Original Message
>  ---------
>  > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
>  have this wrong?
>  > From: "Jim Bledsoe" <gamesbledsoe at gmail.com>
>  > Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm
>  > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  >
>  > What we here at the thinktank are,
>  is a bunch of open source bicycle
>  > advocates.
>  > When one posts a long drawn out
>  list of questions with a pay me now gotcha
>  > at the end it will tend to raise
>  hackles
>  >   "What does facing do for
>  the customers ride experience?"  were you
>  > meaning "pacing"   or
>  more  succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >> Tell me if I am wrong. If you
>  work on a bike and make it better, that
>  >> work has value. If I work on a
>  process and make it better, the knowledge
>  >> has no value and should be
>  given away for free?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> When
>  >> someone posts to a mailing
>  list to sell a product, to me that
>  >> constitutes cause to block
>  that person from the mailing list.
>  >>
>  >> If you want to freely share
>  here tutorials and techniques for everyone
>  >> to review and learn from, in
>  the interest of helping community bike
>  >> shops hone their skillsets to
>  a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
>  >> interested. As it is, you
>  never post detailed instructions, and quite
>  >> frankly a lot of the processes
>  you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>  >> with what most of us do on a
>  daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>  >>
>  >> I'm personally requesting that
>  you reconsider posting here. In this
>  >> particular case, you even
>  tacked your message onto a completely
>  >> unrelated thread. I mean,
>  might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
>  >>
>  >> cyclista Nicholas
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>  >> > I will ask a few
>  questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
>  >> > your answers.
>  >> >
>  >> > Does a quick release
>  lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>  >> > is not important, how do
>  you test to verify your answer is important.
>  >> > How can this test be used
>  to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>  >> >
>  >> > What does facing do for
>  the customers ride experience? Nothing/
>  >> > Something? The following
>  answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>  >> > engineering based: it
>  should be done, it is done at the factory, it
>  >> > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>  >> > have it done. So what
>  does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
>  >> > experience? How do you
>  verify your answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > How do stainless steel
>  spokes and cables stretch once and then
>  >> > magically become harder
>  and never stretch again? If they do not
>  >> > stretch once, then how do
>  they get longer once? How do you verify your
>  >> > answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
>  No, how do you verify your answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > How does a chain that can
>  stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>  >> > get stretched on a bike
>  frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>  >> > lbs cyclist. How can a 45
>  Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>  >> > 2000 Lbs of force into a
>  chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
>  >> > knees? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>  >> > Which leads to the
>  question, How does one type of shift lever make a
>  >> > chain function twice as
>  long as another type. How do you verify your
>  >> > answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > Why do mechanics tighten
>  and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>  >> > wheel spokes get looser.
>  Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
>  >> > dish, tension, and true a
>  wheel. How can finite element analysis and
>  >> > computational fluid
>  dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
>  >> > efficiently?
>  >> >
>  >> > How can understanding the
>  Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
>  >> > hydraulic systems on a
>  bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>  >> > systems) and make cycling
>  safer.
>  >> >
>  >> > How can a mechanic use a
>  bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
>  >> >
>  >> > Would it help your
>  school, your students, bicycle businesses and
>  >> > cyclist; if your
>  curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
>  >> > efficient practices to
>  reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>  >> > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>  >> > their cycling experience
>  to improve sales?
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  >> > If any of this or all of
>  this is new to you and you would like to
>  >> > improve your training,
>  feel free to reach out and start a conversation
>  >> > telephone only. 773 -490
>  -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>  >> > in Chicago Illinois.
>  >> >
>  >> > PS
>  >> > Yes I have re-invented
>  the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
>  >> > improve the cycling
>  industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
>  >> > that! I look forward to
>  hearing from you.
>  >> >
>  >> > Sincerely
>  >> > Christopher O, Wallace
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  ____________________________________
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>  List
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>  list here:
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>  Message: 12
>  Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:20:10 -0800
>  From: Lauren Warbeck <lauren.warbeck at gmail.com>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  Thank you for your continued work
>  Godwin ?????????
>
>  On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM Godwin !
>  <goodgodwin at hotmail.com
>  wrote:
>
>  > Yes. I sent him an email asking
>  him to stop and apologize, he replied
>  > with more confusing insults and
>  continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
>  > removed and blocked him.
>  >
>  > godwin
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ------------------------------
>  > *From:* Thethinktank <thethinktank-bounces at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  on
>  > behalf of Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel at gmail.com>
>  > *Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46 PM
>  > *To:* The Think Tank
>  > *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
>  have this wrong?
>  >
>  > Is this person banned yet? Asking
>  for a friend.
>  >
>  > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > May I have your best bike for
>  free? or even your best tune up? Or web page
>  > work, or social media, or NFP
>  wording? What are you willing to do to lift
>  > up my business for free so that I
>  can lift up yours?
>  > For free I gave you ideas you had
>  not come up with yet. The idea of
>  > testing your processes to prove
>  that are the same as or different than you
>  > current beliefs/ practices. You as
>  a group can reinvent the
>  > wheel or hold on to your beliefs.
>  > You can lift me up and I will lift
>  you up. You can shut me down like a
>  > priests in the dark ages did to
>  people of science. I have no power over
>  > your actions. I only have
>  knowledge
>  >
>  > --------- Original Message
>  ---------
>  > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
>  have this wrong?
>  > From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer at gmail.com>
>  > Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
>  > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  >
>  > No, you have it wrong. The
>  knowledge has value, even more, because it is
>  > given freely. That is the point of
>  ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
>  > share freely, this is wrong place
>  for you and you are wasting our time.
>  >
>  > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Tell me if I am wrong. If you work
>  on a bike and make it better, that work
>  > has value. If I work on a process
>  and make it better, the knowledge has no
>  > value and should be given away for
>  free?
>  >
>  >
>  > When
>  > someone posts to a mailing list to
>  sell a product, to me that
>  > constitutes cause to block that
>  person from the mailing list.
>  >
>  > If you want to freely share here
>  tutorials and techniques for everyone
>  > to review and learn from, in the
>  interest of helping community bike
>  > shops hone their skillsets to a
>  higher standard, I'd be the first to get
>  > interested. As it is, you never
>  post detailed instructions, and quite
>  > frankly a lot of the processes you
>  allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>  > with what most of us do on a daily
>  basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>  >
>  > I'm personally requesting that you
>  reconsider posting here. In this
>  > particular case, you even tacked
>  your message onto a completely
>  > unrelated thread. I mean, might be
>  I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
>  >
>  > cyclista Nicholas
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>  > > I will ask a few questions
>  and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
>  > > your answers.
>  > >
>  > > Does a quick release lever
>  change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>  > > is not important, how do you
>  test to verify your answer is important.
>  > > How can this test be used to
>  reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>  > >
>  > > What does facing do for the
>  customers ride experience? Nothing/
>  > > Something? The following
>  answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>  > > engineering based: it should
>  be done, it is done at the factory, it
>  > > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>  > > have it done. So what does it
>  do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
>  > > experience? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>  > >
>  > > How do stainless steel spokes
>  and cables stretch once and then
>  > > magically become harder and
>  never stretch again? If they do not
>  > > stretch once, then how do
>  they get longer once? How do you verify your
>  > > answer?
>  > >
>  > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No,
>  how do you verify your answer?
>  > >
>  > > How does a chain that can
>  stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>  > > get stretched on a bike frame
>  that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>  > > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg
>  or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>  > > 2000 Lbs of force into a
>  chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
>  > > knees? How do you verify your
>  answer?
>  > > Which leads to the question,
>  How does one type of shift lever make a
>  > > chain function twice as long
>  as another type. How do you verify your
>  > > answer?
>  > >
>  > > Why do mechanics tighten and
>  loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>  > > wheel spokes get looser.
>  Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
>  > > dish, tension, and true a
>  wheel. How can finite element analysis and
>  > > computational fluid dynamics
>  help a mechanic work 36 times more
>  > > efficiently?
>  > >
>  > > How can understanding the
>  Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
>  > > hydraulic systems on a
>  bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>  > > systems) and make cycling
>  safer.
>  > >
>  > > How can a mechanic use a
>  bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
>  > >
>  > > Would it help your school,
>  your students, bicycle businesses and
>  > > cyclist; if your curriculum
>  included verifiable testing processes,
>  > > efficient practices to reduce
>  procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>  > > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>  > > their cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > If any of this or all of this
>  is new to you and you would like to
>  > > improve your training, feel
>  free to reach out and start a conversation
>  > > telephone only. 773 -490
>  -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>  > > in Chicago Illinois.
>  > >
>  > > PS
>  > > Yes I have re-invented the
>  wheel three different ways, I am looking to
>  > > improve the cycling industry
>  and I feel schools are the best way to do
>  > > that! I look forward to
>  hearing from you.
>  > >
>  > > Sincerely
>  > > Christopher O, Wallace
>  > >
>  > >
>  ____________________________________
>  > >
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>  Message: 13
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 01:09:26 -0600
>  From: Caleb Evenson <caevenson at gmail.com>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating
>  the knowledge base, Would your
>      programs benefit?
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>  That's quite a narrow view on anxiety,
>  Christopher. Seems you have your own
>  faith.
>
>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:04 AM <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  >
>  > If you have an immense test
>  anxiety, then you should become a religious
>  > leader. Your beliefs will far
>  outweigh anything that's provable or
>  > measurable
>  >
>  > --------- Original Message
>  ---------
>  > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank]
>  Elevating the knowledge base, Would your
>  > programs benefit?
>  > From: "Judith Feist" <judith at backalleybikes.org>
>  > Date: 2/3/19 5:41 pm
>  > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  >
>  > What happens if you get immense
>  test anxiety?
>  >
>  > On Sunday, February 3, 2019, Ulick
>  O'Beirne <ulickobeirne at gmail.com>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  >> Hey Christopher
>  >>
>  >> Great questions and from a
>  training point of view they could be amazing
>  >> tests to have to hand.
>  >>
>  >> Have you compiled these ideas
>  into a resource- manual/ course/ etc?
>  >>
>  >> I'm based in Ireland. I teach
>  cycling in schools and to community groups.
>  >> I teach bike mechanics and
>  repair mainly to adults. With friends we hope to
>  >> open a community bike shop in
>  Clonakilty.
>  >>
>  >> Can you give more info on what
>  you're thinking? Format etc?
>  >>
>  >> Cheers. Take care,
>  >>
>  >> Ulick
>  >>
>  >> On Sun 3 Feb 2019 at 05:57,
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>> I will ask a few questions
>  and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
>  >>> your answers.
>  >>>
>  >>> Does a quick release lever
>  change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No is
>  >>> not important, how do you
>  test to verify your answer is important.
>  >>> How can this test be used
>  to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>  >>>
>  >>> What does facing do for
>  the customers ride experience?  Nothing/
>  >>> Something? The following
>  answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>  >>> engineering based: it
>  should be done, it is done at the factory, it does
>  >>> not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist have it
>  >>> done. So what does it do?
>  how does it improve a cyclist ride experience?
>  >>> How do you verify your
>  answer?
>  >>>
>  >>> How do stainless steel
>  spokes and cables stretch once and then magically
>  >>> become harder and never
>  stretch again? If they do not stretch once, then
>  >>> how do they get longer
>  once? How do you verify your answer?
>  >>>
>  >>> Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
>  No, how do you verify your answer?
>  >>>
>  >>> How does a chain that can
>  stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force get
>  >>> stretched on a bike frame
>  that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 lbs
>  >>> cyclist. How can a
>  45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist  put  900 Kg or 2000
>  Lbs of
>  >>> force into a chain to
>  stretch it? Without destroying their knees? How do
>  >>> you verify your answer?
>  >>> Which leads to the
>  question, How does one type of shift lever make a
>  >>> chain function twice as
>  long as another type. How do you verify your answer?
>  >>>
>  >>> Why do mechanics tighten
>  and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a wheel
>  >>> spokes get looser. Spokes
>  only need to be tightened to round, dish,
>  >>> tension, and true a wheel.
>  How can finite element analysis and
>  >>> computational fluid
>  dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more efficiently?
>  >>>
>  >>> How can understanding the
>  Sphere Stacking Equation improve the hydraulic
>  >>> systems on a bicycle?
>  (Both hydraulic braking and suspension systems) and
>  >>> make cycling safer.
>  >>>
>  >>> How can a mechanic use a
>  bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
>  >>>
>  >>> Would it help your school,
>  your students, bicycle businesses and
>  >>> cyclist; if your
>  curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
>  >>> efficient practices to
>  reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>  >>> language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve their
>  >>> cycling experience to
>  improve sales?
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> If any of this or all of
>  this is new to you and you would like to
>  >>> improve your training,
>  feel free to reach out and start a conversation
>  >>> telephone only. 773 -490
>  -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located in
>  >>> Chicago Illinois.
>  >>>
>  >>> PS
>  >>> Yes I have re-invented the
>  wheel three different ways, I am looking to
>  >>> improve the cycling
>  industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
>  >>> that! I look forward to
>  hearing from you.
>  >>>
>  >>> Sincerely
>  >>> Christopher O, Wallace
>  >>>
>  ____________________________________
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>  >
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>  >
>  > I think [the bicycle] has done
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>  Message: 14
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 06:46:02 -0700
>  From: Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer at gmail.com>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  That sucks but, many thanks, Godwin.
>
>  On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:20 PM Lauren
>  Warbeck <lauren.warbeck at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  > Thank you for your continued work
>  Godwin ?????????
>  >
>  > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM
>  Godwin ! <goodgodwin at hotmail.com
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >> Yes. I sent him an email
>  asking him to stop and apologize, he replied
>  >> with more confusing insults
>  and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
>  >> removed and blocked him.
>  >>
>  >> godwin
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  ------------------------------
>  >> *From:* Thethinktank <thethinktank-bounces at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  on
>  >> behalf of Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel at gmail.com>
>  >> *Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46
>  PM
>  >> *To:* The Think Tank
>  >> *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank]
>  Do I have this wrong?
>  >>
>  >> Is this person banned yet?
>  Asking for a friend.
>  >>
>  >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >> May I have your best bike for
>  free? or even your best tune up? Or web
>  >> page work, or social media, or
>  NFP wording? What are you willing to do to
>  >> lift up my business for free
>  so that I can lift up yours?
>  >> For free I gave you ideas you
>  had not come up with yet. The idea of
>  >> testing your processes to
>  prove that are the same as or different than you
>  >> current beliefs/ practices.
>  You as a group can reinvent the
>  >> wheel or hold on to your
>  beliefs.
>  >> You can lift me up and I will
>  lift you up. You can shut me down like a
>  >> priests in the dark ages did
>  to people of science. I have no power over
>  >> your actions. I only have
>  knowledge
>  >>
>  >> --------- Original Message
>  ---------
>  >> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do
>  I have this wrong?
>  >> From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer at gmail.com>
>  >> Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
>  >> To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  >>
>  >> No, you have it wrong. The
>  knowledge has value, even more, because it is
>  >> given freely. That is the
>  point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
>  >> share freely, this is wrong
>  place for you and you are wasting our time.
>  >>
>  >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
>  <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Tell me if I am wrong. If you
>  work on a bike and make it better, that
>  >> work has value. If I work on a
>  process and make it better, the knowledge
>  >> has no value and should be
>  given away for free?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> When
>  >> someone posts to a mailing
>  list to sell a product, to me that
>  >> constitutes cause to block
>  that person from the mailing list.
>  >>
>  >> If you want to freely share
>  here tutorials and techniques for everyone
>  >> to review and learn from, in
>  the interest of helping community bike
>  >> shops hone their skillsets to
>  a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
>  >> interested. As it is, you
>  never post detailed instructions, and quite
>  >> frankly a lot of the processes
>  you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>  >> with what most of us do on a
>  daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>  >>
>  >> I'm personally requesting that
>  you reconsider posting here. In this
>  >> particular case, you even
>  tacked your message onto a completely
>  >> unrelated thread. I mean,
>  might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
>  >>
>  >> cyclista Nicholas
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>  >> > I will ask a few
>  questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
>  >> > your answers.
>  >> >
>  >> > Does a quick release
>  lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>  >> > is not important, how do
>  you test to verify your answer is important.
>  >> > How can this test be used
>  to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>  >> >
>  >> > What does facing do for
>  the customers ride experience? Nothing/
>  >> > Something? The following
>  answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>  >> > engineering based: it
>  should be done, it is done at the factory, it
>  >> > does not need to be done,
>  eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>  >> > have it done. So what
>  does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
>  >> > experience? How do you
>  verify your answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > How do stainless steel
>  spokes and cables stretch once and then
>  >> > magically become harder
>  and never stretch again? If they do not
>  >> > stretch once, then how do
>  they get longer once? How do you verify your
>  >> > answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
>  No, how do you verify your answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > How does a chain that can
>  stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>  >> > get stretched on a bike
>  frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>  >> > lbs cyclist. How can a 45
>  Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>  >> > 2000 Lbs of force into a
>  chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
>  >> > knees? How do you verify
>  your answer?
>  >> > Which leads to the
>  question, How does one type of shift lever make a
>  >> > chain function twice as
>  long as another type. How do you verify your
>  >> > answer?
>  >> >
>  >> > Why do mechanics tighten
>  and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>  >> > wheel spokes get looser.
>  Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
>  >> > dish, tension, and true a
>  wheel. How can finite element analysis and
>  >> > computational fluid
>  dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
>  >> > efficiently?
>  >> >
>  >> > How can understanding the
>  Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
>  >> > hydraulic systems on a
>  bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>  >> > systems) and make cycling
>  safer.
>  >> >
>  >> > How can a mechanic use a
>  bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
>  >> >
>  >> > Would it help your
>  school, your students, bicycle businesses and
>  >> > cyclist; if your
>  curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
>  >> > efficient practices to
>  reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>  >> > language to help cyclist
>  understand what a procedure does to improve
>  >> > their cycling experience
>  to improve sales?
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  >> > If any of this or all of
>  this is new to you and you would like to
>  >> > improve your training,
>  feel free to reach out and start a conversation
>  >> > telephone only. 773 -490
>  -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>  >> > in Chicago Illinois.
>  >> >
>  >> > PS
>  >> > Yes I have re-invented
>  the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
>  >> > improve the cycling
>  industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
>  >> > that! I look forward to
>  hearing from you.
>  >> >
>  >> > Sincerely
>  >> > Christopher O, Wallace
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  ____________________________________
>  >> >
>  >> > The ThinkTank mailing
>  List
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>  >> Salt Lake City, UT
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>  Message: 15
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:13:01 -0500
>  From: Anibal Davila <caffenated at gmail.com>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  Thanks Godwin
>
>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 8:46 AM Kevin
>  Dwyer <kevidwyer at gmail.com
>  wrote:
>
>  > That sucks but, many thanks,
>  Godwin.
>  >
>  > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:20 PM
>  Lauren Warbeck <lauren.warbeck at gmail.com>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  >> Thank you for your continued
>  work Godwin ?????????
>  >>
>  >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM
>  Godwin ! <goodgodwin at hotmail.com
>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Yes. I sent him an email
>  asking him to stop and apologize, he replied
>  >>> with more confusing
>  insults and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
>  >>> removed and blocked him.
>  >>>
>  >>> godwin
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  ------------------------------
>  >>> *From:* Thethinktank
>  <thethinktank-bounces at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  >>> on behalf of Katie Vogel
>  <katharine.d.vogel at gmail.com>
>  >>> *Sent:* February 4, 2019
>  7:46 PM
>  >>> *To:* The Think Tank
>  >>> *Subject:* Re:
>  [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
>  >>>
>  >>> Is this person banned yet?
>  Asking for a friend.
>  >>>
>  >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at
>  22:24 <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> May I have your best bike
>  for free? or even your best tune up? Or web
>  >>> page work, or social
>  media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to
>  >>> lift up my business for
>  free so that I can lift up yours?
>  >>> For free I gave you ideas
>  you had not come up with yet. The idea of
>  >>> testing your processes to
>  prove that are the same as or different than you
>  >>> current beliefs/
>  practices. You as a group can reinvent the
>  >>> wheel or hold on to your
>  beliefs.
>  >>> You can lift me up and I
>  will lift you up. You can shut me down like a
>  >>> priests in the dark ages
>  did to people of science. I have no power over
>  >>> your actions. I only have
>  knowledge
>  >>>
>  >>> --------- Original Message
>  ---------
>  >>> Subject: Re:
>  [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
>  >>> From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer at gmail.com>
>  >>> Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
>  >>> To: "The Think Tank"
>  <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  >>>
>  >>> No, you have it wrong. The
>  knowledge has value, even more, because it is
>  >>> given freely. That is the
>  point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
>  >>> share freely, this is
>  wrong place for you and you are wasting our time.
>  >>>
>  >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at
>  1:09 PM <christopher at holisticcycles.com>
>  wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> Tell me if I am wrong. If
>  you work on a bike and make it better, that
>  >>> work has value. If I work
>  on a process and make it better, the knowledge
>  >>> has no value and should be
>  given away for free?
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> When
>  >>> someone posts to a mailing
>  list to sell a product, to me that
>  >>> constitutes cause to block
>  that person from the mailing list.
>  >>>
>  >>> If you want to freely
>  share here tutorials and techniques for everyone
>  >>> to review and learn from,
>  in the interest of helping community bike
>  >>> shops hone their skillsets
>  to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
>  >>> interested. As it is, you
>  never post detailed instructions, and quite
>  >>> frankly a lot of the
>  processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
>  >>> with what most of us do on
>  a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
>  >>>
>  >>> I'm personally requesting
>  that you reconsider posting here. In this
>  >>> particular case, you even
>  tacked your message onto a completely
>  >>> unrelated thread. I mean,
>  might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
>  >>>
>  >>> cyclista Nicholas
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com
>  wrote:
>  >>> > I will ask a few
>  questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
>  >>> > your answers.
>  >>> >
>  >>> > Does a quick release
>  lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
>  >>> > is not important, how
>  do you test to verify your answer is important.
>  >>> > How can this test be
>  used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
>  >>> >
>  >>> > What does facing do
>  for the customers ride experience? Nothing/
>  >>> > Something? The
>  following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
>  >>> > engineering based: it
>  should be done, it is done at the factory, it
>  >>> > does not need to be
>  done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
>  >>> > have it done. So what
>  does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
>  >>> > experience? How do
>  you verify your answer?
>  >>> >
>  >>> > How do stainless
>  steel spokes and cables stretch once and then
>  >>> > magically become
>  harder and never stretch again? If they do not
>  >>> > stretch once, then
>  how do they get longer once? How do you verify your
>  >>> > answer?
>  >>> >
>  >>> > Do Bolts stretch? Yes
>  or No, how do you verify your answer?
>  >>> >
>  >>> > How does a chain that
>  can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
>  >>> > get stretched on a
>  bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
>  >>> > lbs cyclist. How can
>  a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
>  >>> > 2000 Lbs of force
>  into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
>  >>> > knees? How do you
>  verify your answer?
>  >>> > Which leads to the
>  question, How does one type of shift lever make a
>  >>> > chain function twice
>  as long as another type. How do you verify your
>  >>> > answer?
>  >>> >
>  >>> > Why do mechanics
>  tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
>  >>> > wheel spokes get
>  looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
>  >>> > dish, tension, and
>  true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and
>  >>> > computational fluid
>  dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
>  >>> > efficiently?
>  >>> >
>  >>> > How can understanding
>  the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
>  >>> > hydraulic systems on
>  a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
>  >>> > systems) and make
>  cycling safer.
>  >>> >
>  >>> > How can a mechanic
>  use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
>  >>> >
>  >>> > Would it help your
>  school, your students, bicycle businesses and
>  >>> > cyclist; if your
>  curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
>  >>> > efficient practices
>  to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
>  >>> > language to help
>  cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve
>  >>> > their cycling
>  experience to improve sales?
>  >>> >
>  >>> >
>  >>> > If any of this or all
>  of this is new to you and you would like to
>  >>> > improve your
>  training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation
>  >>> > telephone only. 773
>  -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
>  >>> > in Chicago Illinois.
>  >>> >
>  >>> > PS
>  >>> > Yes I have
>  re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
>  >>> > improve the cycling
>  industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
>  >>> > that! I look forward
>  to hearing from you.
>  >>> >
>  >>> > Sincerely
>  >>> > Christopher O,
>  Wallace
>  >>> >
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>  Message: 16
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:33:12 -0500
>  From: Judith Feist <judith at backalleybikes.org>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  Thank you Godwin. Greatly appreciated.
>
>  --
>  Judith C Feist
>  Co Director, the Hub at Back Alley
>
>
>  *"*Radical simply means 'grasping
>  things at the root'"- Angela Davis
>
>  "A woman without a man is like a fish
>  without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem
>
>  I think [the bicycle] has done more to
>  emancipate women than anything else
>  in the world...It gives a woman a
>  feeling of freedom and
>  self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony
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>  Message: 17
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:59:08 -0500
>  From: Jeffery Getten <jeff at backalleybikes.org>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  Thank you Godwin, I'm new to the group
>  and was hoping this was not the
>  "norm".
>
>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:24 AM Judith
>  Feist <judith at backalleybikes.org>
>  wrote:
>
>  > Thank you Godwin. Greatly
>  appreciated.
>  >
>  > --
>  > Judith C Feist
>  > Co Director, the Hub at Back
>  Alley
>  >
>  >
>  > *"*Radical simply means 'grasping
>  things at the root'"- Angela Davis
>  >
>  > "A woman without a man is like a
>  fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem
>  >
>  > I think [the bicycle] has done
>  more to emancipate women than anything else
>  > in the world...It gives a woman a
>  feeling of freedom and
>  > self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony
>  >
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>  --
>  Jeffrey Getten
>  Co-Director
>  The Hub of Back Alley / Back Alley
>  Bikes
>  3611 Cass Ave.
>  Detroit, MI 48201
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>  Message: 18
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 10:16:20 -0500
>  From: Josh Bisker <jbisker at gmail.com>
>  To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
>  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
>  this wrong?
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>  Excellent. Good episode, everyone.
>  B-list bad guy takes up an unexpected 20
>  minutes of screen time, things get
>  really bad when he suddenly stumps for
>  Trump (?!), our heroes flounder, and
>  then Godwin comes to the rescue with a
>  deux-ex-machina fix and everything is
>  resolved with hugs and emoji. Good
>  television, would watch again.
>
>  Josh Bisker
>  914-500-9890
>  New York Mechanical Gardens Bike Co-op
>  <http://bikecoop.nyc/>
>  596 Acres <http://596acres.org/>
>  Bindlestiff Family Cirkus <http://bindlestiff.org/>
>
>
>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:50 AM Jeffery
>  Getten <jeff at backalleybikes.org>
>  wrote:
>
>  > Thank you Godwin, I'm new to the
>  group and was hoping this was not the
>  > "norm".
>  >
>  > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:24 AM
>  Judith Feist <judith at backalleybikes.org>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  >> Thank you Godwin. Greatly
>  appreciated.
>  >>
>  >> --
>  >> Judith C Feist
>  >> Co Director, the Hub at Back
>  Alley
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> *"*Radical simply means
>  'grasping things at the root'"- Angela Davis
>  >>
>  >> "A woman without a man is like
>  a fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem
>  >>
>  >> I think [the bicycle] has done
>  more to emancipate women than anything
>  >> else in the world...It gives a
>  woman a feeling of freedom and
>  >> self-reliance.~Susan B.
>  Anthony
>  >>
>  ____________________________________
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>  >>
>  >
>  > --
>  > Jeffrey Getten
>  > Co-Director
>  > The Hub of Back Alley / Back Alley
>  Bikes
>  > 3611 Cass Ave.
>  > Detroit, MI 48201
>  > 313.833.0813
>  >
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Patrick Goguen <info at worcesterearnabike.org>
> To: "thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org" <
> thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 21:00:20 -0500
> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Bike Life Movement
>
> Hi bike folks, long time reader first time poster here. Wanted to share
> some cool stuff happening where I live, especially after whatever that spam
> was ( thanks Godwin). Worcester Earn-A-Bike is sending a crew of youth to
> the youth bike summit in a few weeks, and I wanted to share here a short
> doc that the youth will be screening, about the local bike life movement.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlU7qgnGziA
>
>
>
> Directed by Andi Lipo & Jeremy Hartman
>
> Please note this Mini Doc was made with Love By:
> https://www.easternblocc.com/
> <https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.easternblocc.com%2F&v=YlU7qgnGziA&event=video_description&redir_token=XuNwGgHtSK_tFiHAMWNoMJ9vXzt8MTU0OTUwNDU3MUAxNTQ5NDE4MTcx>
>
> About 508 Pedal Bikelife; 508 pedal BikeLife is an autonomously-organized
> group of youth cyclists aged 7-24. Often maligned by the press and certain
> sectors of the public, the youth have been actively trying to share their
> side of the story and change the negative perceptions about their activity.
> Although their slogan is "Bikes Up, Guns Down," they are often
> mis-identified and policed as if they were a gang with violent intentions.
>
>
>
> With a grease stained heart,
>
> Patrick Goguen
>
> Shop Manager
>
> Worcester Earn-A-Bike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jesse Cooper <jessecooper0 at gmail.com>
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 21:55:05 -0800
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Life Movement
> one of the most beautiful and poignant stories .. thanks for sharing. and
> yeah, gonna tear up some.
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 6:00 PM Patrick Goguen <info at worcesterearnabike.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi bike folks, long time reader first time poster here. Wanted to share
>> some cool stuff happening where I live, especially after whatever that spam
>> was ( thanks Godwin). Worcester Earn-A-Bike is sending a crew of youth to
>> the youth bike summit in a few weeks, and I wanted to share here a short
>> doc that the youth will be screening, about the local bike life movement.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlU7qgnGziA
>>
>>
>>
>> Directed by Andi Lipo & Jeremy Hartman
>>
>> Please note this Mini Doc was made with Love By:
>> https://www.easternblocc.com/
>> <https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.easternblocc.com%2F&v=YlU7qgnGziA&event=video_description&redir_token=XuNwGgHtSK_tFiHAMWNoMJ9vXzt8MTU0OTUwNDU3MUAxNTQ5NDE4MTcx>
>>
>> About 508 Pedal Bikelife; 508 pedal BikeLife is an autonomously-organized
>> group of youth cyclists aged 7-24. Often maligned by the press and certain
>> sectors of the public, the youth have been actively trying to share their
>> side of the story and change the negative perceptions about their activity.
>> Although their slogan is "Bikes Up, Guns Down," they are often
>> mis-identified and policed as if they were a gang with violent intentions.
>>
>>
>>
>> With a grease stained heart,
>>
>> Patrick Goguen
>>
>> Shop Manager
>>
>> Worcester Earn-A-Bike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista at inventati.org>
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
> Cc: christopher at holisticcycles.com
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 06:48:05 +0000
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your
> programs benefit?
> It is highly unlikely that any of us here are involved in manufacturing.
> Relatively few of the organizations listed at bikecolectives.org even
> repair bikes for customers.
>
> Most community bicycle shops assist the general public by either giving
> away repaired bikes that they were donated for free, or by helping
> people in their local communities learn or practice bike repair. Even
> some of the larger operations I've visited (Portland, Philadelphia) seem
> to operate for-profit repair and sales as peripheral functions. We are
> not normal bike shops (LBS) for the most part, Christopher.
>
> I'm entirely interested in sophisticating my technique; at our shop we
> strive to communicate correct (or relatively correct) techniques for
> each process and even if the "perfect" method cannot be imparted for
> whatever reason, it's always good to have that knowledge in my back
> pocket to calibrate my general understanding of processes, materials,
> and engineering.
>
> This being said, 90% of what we do involves helping a drunk homeless
> person fix a flat tire or repack a wheel hub, or a ten year old and
> their parent fix up an entire bike that's been sitting in their backyard
> for two years when they have /exactly/ one hour to spend. Or
> refurbishing the center pull caliper brakes on a college student's bike
> they inherited from the previous tenant at their apartment, when that
> college student has very limited interest in the process, being that
> they are a freshman just having arrived in town from another country, or
> they are nerve-wracked over finishing their thesis. Sometimes there are
> gangs of neighborhood hoodlums who probably stolen some or all of the
> bikes they've brought in, and barely care at all about anything other
> than "make it go". Having a scientifically proven method for calculating
> microscopic stretch in a stainless spoke is basically psychologically
> and practically irrelevant to all of the above populations. And it is
> irrelevant to our bottom line as an organization. We help people, we
> provide a welcoming and safe space, and we triage worst case mechanical
> scenarios.
>
> We on this list work with people as much as bikes, and you can't Six
> Sigma social work because you can't Six Sigma human life.
>
> Also, I find it odd that as a frothing evangelist of precision
> methodology, you can't seem to figure out how to properly reply inline,
> create paragraphs, or orient yourself among a variety of threads. Those
> are some pretty basic and important skills when interacting with a
> mailing list.
>
> I don't disparage your salesmanship, and certainly if you have valuable
> skills, you should be able to get compensation for employing them. But
> we aren't your employers, and a mailing list is not an acceptable place
> to sell anything. You might notice that you are the only one who ever
> appears here to do so. If you want to verify that, you can search here:
>
> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org/
>
> We all come here to maintain and develop community, to ask and answer
> questions, and generally to share information. Please do
> conversationally share tips and techniques here, if they're real someone
> will benefit from such. Please don't, however, try to sell anything,
> evangelize, or spread hyperbole. Nobody here has time for that. And a
> gathering place for largely nonprofit programs is a terrible place to
> sell things. Many of us have a hard time just keeping the heat bills
> paid (if we even have heat at all).
>
> cyclista Nicholas
>
>
>
> On 2019-02-04 21:16, christopher at holisticcycles.com wrote:
> > So, in the question of wheel truing, I am wondering why you don't allow
> >  for rims becoming deformed. As a learned mechanic you know of the
> > procedures Barnett has for unbending a rim, or you know how to replace
> > a rim or even sell a customer an undamaged wheel to replace the
> > damaged one.  Unless you promote that a damage wheel will be just
> > as safe for the cyclist to use as one that is not damaged.
> >  As a mechanic: when you sign off that the work is compleated your
> > actions say that the
> >  bike is up to standards and safe.A court of law does not recognize (
> > as
> > safe as it can be) as a legal defination. On your own bike you can work
> >  on a bent wheel, On a customers bike, you take on a world of liability
> > if you do not complete a repair to the safest standard, The action of
> > presenting
> > damaged product as safe can harm both you and your business,
> > Your presentation implies that rims maintain
> >  perfection except in cases where spoke tension temporarily interferes.
> >
> >  In other words, it's obvious that while some spokes may become loose
> >  through repetitive stress, since the web of spokes share a single
> > load,
> >  others will become tighter as the rim deforms. Since little can be
> > done
> >  in the average shop to re-perfect the bare rim once deformed, the
> >  tighter spokes must maintain some amount of increased tension to keep
> >  this now-deformed rim true.
> >
> >  I'm not going to present any test that I've developed to "prove" this
> >  process, I'm actually posting this response because I find it kind of
> >  offensive that you keep posting here essentially as a salesperson.
> > When
> >  someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that
> >  constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list.
> >
> >  If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone
> >  to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike
> >  shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to
> > get
> >  interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite
> >  frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of
> > scope
> >  with what most of us do on a daily basis. Do you ever tighten a bolt
> >  too tightly or without enough clamping force because you do not
> >  measure torque? If a bolt broke or slipped would you be liable? Do
> >  you like feeling grind in your hubs or see that your cones are pitted
> >  in bikes with quick release levers but seldom see cone damaged in bolt
> > on hubs?
> > Do your daily commuter customers complain that there brakes are rubbing
> > and your
> >  truing work only lasts for part of a season and not years?
> > Do cyclist ever complain about a click in the pedal area? Are these
> >  the bizarrely out of scope ideas you speak of?      Your posts smell
> > like bait.
> > They are bait, Designed to get you to think. If you can not come up
> > with an answer
> > then as a group you can either come up with tests or 100% beliefs. The
> > beliefs are
> > dark ages showing its head in 2019. No one is lifted up in knowledge
> > base or skill with belief.
> > My knowledge is for sale, only because it has value, I also see that
> > your community based
> > bicycle organizations have value. You work hard and do great things, I
> > have worked hard
> > and I make great materials. Your moneys are tight and I am willing to
> > greatly discount my
> > work to help make your programs more profitable, improve quality,
> > reduce liability, and more.
> > Nicholas, if you see me as having no value to this group, ban me!  If
> > you think I work for free,
> > Bite me!  I want to lift up organizations that are open to improving
> > the experience of cyclist and their businesses.
> >
> >
> >  I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this
> >  particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely
> >  unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
> >  Ok I am a bot, you caught me
> >  cyclista Nicholas
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher at holisticcycles.com wrote:
> >  > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to
> > prove
> >  > your answers.
> >  >
> >  > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
> >  > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is
> > important.
> >  > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
> >  >
> >  > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/
> >  > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science
> > or
> >  > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it
> >  > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional
> > cyclist
> >  > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
> >  > experience? How do you verify your answer?
> >  >
> >  > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then
> >  > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not
> >  > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify
> > your
> >  > answer?
> >  >
> >  > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer?
> >  >
> >  > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
> >  > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
> >  > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
> >  > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying
> > their
> >  > knees? How do you verify your answer?
> >  > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a
> >  > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your
> >  > answer?
> >  >
> >  > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
> >  > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
> >  > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and
> >  > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
> >  > efficiently?
> >  >
> >  > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
> >  > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and
> > suspension
> >  > systems) and make cycling safer.
> >  >
> >  > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
> >  >
> >  > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and
> >  > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
> >  > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service
> > sale
> >  > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve
> >  > their cycling experience to improve sales?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to
> >  > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a
> > conversation
> >  > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
> >  > in Chicago Illinois.
> >  >
> >  > PS
> >  > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking
> > to
> >  > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to
> > do
> >  > that! I look forward to hearing from you.
> >  >
> >  > Sincerely
> >  > Christopher O, Wallace
> >  >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista at inventati.org>
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
> Cc: Josh Bisker <jbisker at gmail.com>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 07:44:25 +0000
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
> Thanks Godwin! Sorry to everyone for perpetuating it and creating
> another response, I hadn't read this thread yet.
>
> cyclista Nicholas
>
>
> On 2019-02-05 15:16, Josh Bisker wrote:
> > Excellent. Good episode, everyone. B-list bad guy takes up an
> > unexpected 20
> > minutes of screen time, things get really bad when he suddenly stumps
> > for
> > Trump (?!), our heroes flounder, and then Godwin comes to the rescue
> > with a
> > deux-ex-machina fix and everything is resolved with hugs and emoji.
> > Good
> > television, would watch again.
> >
> > Josh Bisker
> > 914-500-9890
> > New York Mechanical Gardens Bike Co-op <http://bikecoop.nyc/>
> > 596 Acres <http://596acres.org/>
> > Bindlestiff Family Cirkus <http://bindlestiff.org/>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:50 AM Jeffery Getten <jeff at backalleybikes.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you Godwin, I'm new to the group and was hoping this was not the
> >> "norm".
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:24 AM Judith Feist
> >> <judith at backalleybikes.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thank you Godwin. Greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Judith C Feist
> >>> Co Director, the Hub at Back Alley
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *"*Radical simply means 'grasping things at the root'"- Angela Davis
> >>>
> >>> "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." -Gloria
> >>> Steinem
> >>>
> >>> I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything
> >>> else in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and
> >>> self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony
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> >> Co-Director
> >> The Hub of Back Alley / Back Alley Bikes
> >> 3611 Cass Ave.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista at inventati.org>
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
> Cc: Jesse Cooper <jessecooper0 at gmail.com>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 10:23:22 +0000
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Life Movement
> Welcome Patrick! Thanks for this, I loved it.
>
> We could use this in a film festival. Do you know if we can get a copy
> of this for public screening?
>
> cyclista Nicholas
>
>
>
> On 2019-02-06 05:55, Jesse Cooper wrote:
> > one of the most beautiful and poignant stories .. thanks for sharing.
> > and
> > yeah, gonna tear up some.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 6:00 PM Patrick Goguen
> > <info at worcesterearnabike.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi bike folks, long time reader first time poster here. Wanted to
> >> share
> >> some cool stuff happening where I live, especially after whatever that
> >> spam
> >> was ( thanks Godwin). Worcester Earn-A-Bike is sending a crew of youth
> >> to
> >> the youth bike summit in a few weeks, and I wanted to share here a
> >> short
> >> doc that the youth will be screening, about the local bike life
> >> movement.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlU7qgnGziA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Directed by Andi Lipo & Jeremy Hartman
> >>
> >> Please note this Mini Doc was made with Love By:
> >> https://www.easternblocc.com/
> >> <
> https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.easternblocc.com%2F&v=YlU7qgnGziA&event=video_description&redir_token=XuNwGgHtSK_tFiHAMWNoMJ9vXzt8MTU0OTUwNDU3MUAxNTQ5NDE4MTcx
> >
> >>
> >> About 508 Pedal Bikelife; 508 pedal BikeLife is an
> >> autonomously-organized
> >> group of youth cyclists aged 7-24. Often maligned by the press and
> >> certain
> >> sectors of the public, the youth have been actively trying to share
> >> their
> >> side of the story and change the negative perceptions about their
> >> activity.
> >> Although their slogan is "Bikes Up, Guns Down," they are often
> >> mis-identified and policed as if they were a gang with violent
> >> intentions.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> With a grease stained heart,
> >>
> >> Patrick Goguen
> >>
> >> Shop Manager
> >>
> >> Worcester Earn-A-Bike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Drew Anderson <drew.m.ande at gmail.com>
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 09:50:33 -0600
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Life Movement
> Wonderful! Thanks for sharing!
>
> Drew
> Bike Cave, Duluth, MN
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:19 PM Patrick Goguen <info at worcesterearnabike.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi bike folks, long time reader first time poster here. Wanted to share
>> some cool stuff happening where I live, especially after whatever that spam
>> was ( thanks Godwin). Worcester Earn-A-Bike is sending a crew of youth to
>> the youth bike summit in a few weeks, and I wanted to share here a short
>> doc that the youth will be screening, about the local bike life movement.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlU7qgnGziA
>>
>>
>>
>> Directed by Andi Lipo & Jeremy Hartman
>>
>> Please note this Mini Doc was made with Love By:
>> https://www.easternblocc.com/
>> <https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.easternblocc.com%2F&v=YlU7qgnGziA&event=video_description&redir_token=XuNwGgHtSK_tFiHAMWNoMJ9vXzt8MTU0OTUwNDU3MUAxNTQ5NDE4MTcx>
>>
>> About 508 Pedal Bikelife; 508 pedal BikeLife is an autonomously-organized
>> group of youth cyclists aged 7-24. Often maligned by the press and certain
>> sectors of the public, the youth have been actively trying to share their
>> side of the story and change the negative perceptions about their activity.
>> Although their slogan is "Bikes Up, Guns Down," they are often
>> mis-identified and policed as if they were a gang with violent intentions.
>>
>>
>>
>> With a grease stained heart,
>>
>> Patrick Goguen
>>
>> Shop Manager
>>
>> Worcester Earn-A-Bike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ainsley Naylor <needleandthread at gmail.com>
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank at lists.bikecollectives.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 11:25:51 -0500
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Life Movement
> I hope to meet you at the YBS Patrick! (I'm heading down with 3 youth from
> the cycling scene in Toronto)
>
> :)
>
> Ainsley.
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:50 AM Drew Anderson <drew.m.ande at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wonderful! Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> Drew
>> Bike Cave, Duluth, MN
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:19 PM Patrick Goguen <
>> info at worcesterearnabike.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi bike folks, long time reader first time poster here. Wanted to share
>>> some cool stuff happening where I live, especially after whatever that spam
>>> was ( thanks Godwin). Worcester Earn-A-Bike is sending a crew of youth to
>>> the youth bike summit in a few weeks, and I wanted to share here a short
>>> doc that the youth will be screening, about the local bike life movement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlU7qgnGziA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Directed by Andi Lipo & Jeremy Hartman
>>>
>>> Please note this Mini Doc was made with Love By:
>>> https://www.easternblocc.com/
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.easternblocc.com%2F&v=YlU7qgnGziA&event=video_description&redir_token=XuNwGgHtSK_tFiHAMWNoMJ9vXzt8MTU0OTUwNDU3MUAxNTQ5NDE4MTcx>
>>>
>>> About 508 Pedal Bikelife; 508 pedal BikeLife is an
>>> autonomously-organized group of youth cyclists aged 7-24. Often maligned by
>>> the press and certain sectors of the public, the youth have been actively
>>> trying to share their side of the story and change the negative perceptions
>>> about their activity. Although their slogan is "Bikes Up, Guns Down," they
>>> are often mis-identified and policed as if they were a gang with violent
>>> intentions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With a grease stained heart,
>>>
>>> Patrick Goguen
>>>
>>> Shop Manager
>>>
>>> Worcester Earn-A-Bike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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