[TheThinkTank] Rubbing alcohol substitutes, spraying grips with bleach, etc.

Cyclista Nicholas cyclista at inventati.org
Sat Mar 21 02:10:55 PDT 2020


Claire,

Thanks very much for that information. Are bicycle shops in Paris 
allowed to remain open because the city considers bicycles essential for 
accessing food and medical services?

~cyclista Nicholas


On 2020-03-21 08:14, claire grover wrote:
> Bonjour,
> 
> We also exchange on these points here in France.
> In Paris bicycle shops remain open, along with food businesses and
> food markets all over the country.
> Drugstores also.
> And that’s it.
> Parks and squares are closed, and seashores, riversides etc…we are
> asked for daily passes (printed and filled, dated) for a limited
> quantity of reasons to being out : a short health walk close to abode,
> medical reasons, work — for those allowed — food or medication
> shopping.
> 
> Police frequently control passes.
> 
> We are fighting to keep public hospitals from losing more budgets,
> more personnel, more surface.
> 
> Cycle on and stay healthy,
> 
> Claire
> Vélorution Paris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Le 21 mars 2020 à 08:11, Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista at inventati.org> a 
> écrit :
> 
>> Regarding "massive decontamination":
>> 
>> Every ecosystem, terrestrial or likely otherwise, is teeming with 
>> pathogens. The creatures that live in an ecosystem don't eradicate 
>> these pathogens, they develop immunity to them and afterward live 
>> alongside them. It's important to realize that this virus, like most 
>> pathogens, will never be eradicated. This is why one of the main 
>> concerns when planning for any kind of extraterrestrial contact is 
>> lack of immunity on the part of one of the parties involved to 
>> pathogens carried from the other's ecosystem. We even need to worry 
>> about this when creating contact between widely separated species here 
>> on earth.
>> 
>> What we are aiming for with COVID-19 is not eradication but immunity. 
>> Decontamination is only urgent currently due to the highly contagious 
>> nature of this particular virus; without slowing the progress of 
>> exposure, sheer numbers of infections will cause the collapse of our 
>> medical system, and subsequently more deaths than would occur if the 
>> medical system was able to handle each case with full capability.
>> 
>> We're not trying to avoid getting infected in the ultimate sense, this 
>> isn't the zombie apocalypse. we're trying to save lives, yes, but by 
>> saving the medical system. Not by eradicating the virus.
>> 
>> ~cyclista Nicholas
>> 
>> 
>> On 2020-03-21 06:23, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
>>> Hi Emily, All-
>>> I think everyone should do their best. From my observations of bike
>>> shop protocols, the better ones have shut down or stayed open and
>>> eliminated people from entering the shop. In order to provide basic
>>> service, this can involve posting a person outside (under a canopy) 
>>> or
>>> locking the door and posting a phone number on it to call for someone
>>> to serve them at the door. Some are offering pick up and delivery.
>>> Maybe it is appropriate to go to a drop off/pickup and fee for 
>>> service
>>> model?
>>> My research suggests that the current ”stay at home” order, in effect
>>> in all of California,  would not allow bike shops to stay open, 
>>> though
>>> enforcement seems difficult. Nonetheless, I don’t believe that bike
>>> shops should be pushing this boundary. If someone gets sick while
>>> working in your shop, in order to protect your community, you will
>>> have to undergo a massive decontamination and would be best advised 
>>> to
>>> contact your local health department to accomplish that, who might
>>> require significant steps prior to reopening. They might even shut it
>>> completely for you. Bathrooms are a significant area of concern.
>>> If you can eliminate all people in the shop except for a single 
>>> person
>>> at a time, with protocols in place,  it would seem the risk of
>>> transmission is very low. That’s why outside self-services and
>>> homework for mechanics seem like good ideas. Again, I would contact
>>> your county health department, which is what we did, and shut down 
>>> the
>>> operation until you have a clear plan with them. Our group, a bicycle
>>> trail maintenance and advocacy group, was advised to discontinue 
>>> field
>>> operations and all of our board and other meetings are now virtual.
>>> I’m not sure that there is a way that bike shops, restaurants,
>>> clothing stores and other places of non-essential services and public
>>> interaction can remain open for much longer. It certainly seems that
>>> closure is the policy CA, IL and NY. I wish I had better options for
>>> you and others facing this.
>>> Kevin Dwyer
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>>>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Emily Summerhays 
>>>> <emily at boisebicycleproject.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>> Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us 
>>>> shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and 
>>>> should continue to operate?
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer at gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a 
>>>>> plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration 
>>>>> for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water 
>>>>> and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). 
>>>>> Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which 
>>>>> can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known 
>>>>> problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG 
>>>>> destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years 
>>>>> using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, 
>>>>> followed by rinsing with water.
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 
>>>>>> <3rdwardbikes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Citrus attacks plastics.
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer at gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> You should contact your county health department with your 
>>>>>>> questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. 
>>>>>>> Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were 
>>>>>>> very helpful.
>>>>>>> Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about 
>>>>>>> $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great 
>>>>>>> solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch 
>>>>>>>> <andrew at b4hpdx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line 
>>>>>>>> between serving our community and doing our part not to spread 
>>>>>>>> covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so 
>>>>>>>> it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over 
>>>>>>>> looking at things from this one.
>>>>>>>> Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, 
>>>>>>>> in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions 
>>>>>>>> on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks 
>>>>>>>> to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations 
>>>>>>>> describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ 
>>>>>>>> away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if 
>>>>>>>> they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the 
>>>>>>>> parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any 
>>>>>>>> other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory 
>>>>>>>> means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes 
>>>>>>>> as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own 
>>>>>>>> needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing 
>>>>>>>> and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested 
>>>>>>>> from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down 
>>>>>>>> bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so 
>>>>>>>> much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime 
>>>>>>>> soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are 
>>>>>>>> sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe 
>>>>>>>> with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
>>>>>>>> And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike 
>>>>>>>> purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, 
>>>>>>>> rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity 
>>>>>>>> ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the 
>>>>>>>> doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our 
>>>>>>>> basement...
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his)
>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>> andrew at b4hpdx.org
>>>>>>>> Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes 
>>>>>>>> while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and 
>>>>>>>> commuting.
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