[TheThinkTank] Rubbing alcohol substitutes, spraying grips with bleach, etc.

Cyclista Nicholas cyclista at inventati.org
Sat Mar 21 17:11:05 PDT 2020


Will do, Claire! Thanks so much again for this picture. We will all have 
to share our energy and spirit to get through this. I love the imagery 
of the 8pm applause!! That's so powerful and beautiful.

~cyclista Nicholas


On 2020-03-21 10:40, claire grover wrote:
> Bicycle shops are staying open here in Paris primarily for accessing
> work, Nicholas. We are fighting cars/pollution…it’s a municipal
> policy, we have a strong green party here allied to the municipal
> majority and pushing our socialist mayors since 2002. Cycling has been
> picking up strength over the years… 2/3 of the Paris population do not
> possess a car. Their is a fine PT system also…however a large part of
> the task force comes in from far away suburbs in cars.
> 
> Many parisians have left for their country abodes (secondary
> residences are a french tradition), it’s getting very quiet out, very
> unParis.
> Every evening at 8 whole streets here and there in the city open their
> windows and applaud…we applaud for our medical personnel very hard
> put, with insufficient respirators ans insufficient posts now after 20
> years of (govn’t) cutting costs and closing public hospital
> departments and indeed entire hospitals around the country. As
> generally the medical public service everywhere, ours are very
> competent and devoted, stressed out and overworked. Medical services
> are discontinued except for emergencies and the Covid19 with fever AND
> complications.
> 
> We here though ever more confined are infinitely better off than the
> 70 million refugees worldwide…
> 
> Even though I will not be on my bike for a while, as I am retired and
> so not eligible except on market days if the open air food markets
> remain open which is under debate.
> 
> Tai-chi at home it is for me, an hour a day…
> 
> Have a ride for me you all out there !
> 
> Claire
> 
> 
> 
> Le 21 mars 2020 à 10:10, Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista at inventati.org> a 
> écrit :
> 
>> Claire,
>> 
>> Thanks very much for that information. Are bicycle shops in Paris 
>> allowed to remain open because the city considers bicycles essential 
>> for accessing food and medical services?
>> 
>> ~cyclista Nicholas
>> 
>> 
>> On 2020-03-21 08:14, claire grover wrote:
>>> Bonjour,
>>> We also exchange on these points here in France.
>>> In Paris bicycle shops remain open, along with food businesses and
>>> food markets all over the country.
>>> Drugstores also.
>>> And that’s it.
>>> Parks and squares are closed, and seashores, riversides etc…we are
>>> asked for daily passes (printed and filled, dated) for a limited
>>> quantity of reasons to being out : a short health walk close to 
>>> abode,
>>> medical reasons, work — for those allowed — food or medication
>>> shopping.
>>> Police frequently control passes.
>>> We are fighting to keep public hospitals from losing more budgets,
>>> more personnel, more surface.
>>> Cycle on and stay healthy,
>>> Claire
>>> Vélorution Paris
>>> Le 21 mars 2020 à 08:11, Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista at inventati.org> a 
>>> écrit :
>>>> Regarding "massive decontamination":
>>>> Every ecosystem, terrestrial or likely otherwise, is teeming with 
>>>> pathogens. The creatures that live in an ecosystem don't eradicate 
>>>> these pathogens, they develop immunity to them and afterward live 
>>>> alongside them. It's important to realize that this virus, like most 
>>>> pathogens, will never be eradicated. This is why one of the main 
>>>> concerns when planning for any kind of extraterrestrial contact is 
>>>> lack of immunity on the part of one of the parties involved to 
>>>> pathogens carried from the other's ecosystem. We even need to worry 
>>>> about this when creating contact between widely separated species 
>>>> here on earth.
>>>> What we are aiming for with COVID-19 is not eradication but 
>>>> immunity. Decontamination is only urgent currently due to the highly 
>>>> contagious nature of this particular virus; without slowing the 
>>>> progress of exposure, sheer numbers of infections will cause the 
>>>> collapse of our medical system, and subsequently more deaths than 
>>>> would occur if the medical system was able to handle each case with 
>>>> full capability.
>>>> We're not trying to avoid getting infected in the ultimate sense, 
>>>> this isn't the zombie apocalypse. we're trying to save lives, yes, 
>>>> but by saving the medical system. Not by eradicating the virus.
>>>> ~cyclista Nicholas
>>>> On 2020-03-21 06:23, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
>>>>> Hi Emily, All-
>>>>> I think everyone should do their best. From my observations of bike
>>>>> shop protocols, the better ones have shut down or stayed open and
>>>>> eliminated people from entering the shop. In order to provide basic
>>>>> service, this can involve posting a person outside (under a canopy) 
>>>>> or
>>>>> locking the door and posting a phone number on it to call for 
>>>>> someone
>>>>> to serve them at the door. Some are offering pick up and delivery.
>>>>> Maybe it is appropriate to go to a drop off/pickup and fee for 
>>>>> service
>>>>> model?
>>>>> My research suggests that the current ”stay at home” order, in 
>>>>> effect
>>>>> in all of California,  would not allow bike shops to stay open, 
>>>>> though
>>>>> enforcement seems difficult. Nonetheless, I don’t believe that bike
>>>>> shops should be pushing this boundary. If someone gets sick while
>>>>> working in your shop, in order to protect your community, you will
>>>>> have to undergo a massive decontamination and would be best advised 
>>>>> to
>>>>> contact your local health department to accomplish that, who might
>>>>> require significant steps prior to reopening. They might even shut 
>>>>> it
>>>>> completely for you. Bathrooms are a significant area of concern.
>>>>> If you can eliminate all people in the shop except for a single 
>>>>> person
>>>>> at a time, with protocols in place,  it would seem the risk of
>>>>> transmission is very low. That’s why outside self-services and
>>>>> homework for mechanics seem like good ideas. Again, I would contact
>>>>> your county health department, which is what we did, and shut down 
>>>>> the
>>>>> operation until you have a clear plan with them. Our group, a 
>>>>> bicycle
>>>>> trail maintenance and advocacy group, was advised to discontinue 
>>>>> field
>>>>> operations and all of our board and other meetings are now virtual.
>>>>> I’m not sure that there is a way that bike shops, restaurants,
>>>>> clothing stores and other places of non-essential services and 
>>>>> public
>>>>> interaction can remain open for much longer. It certainly seems 
>>>>> that
>>>>> closure is the policy CA, IL and NY. I wish I had better options 
>>>>> for
>>>>> you and others facing this.
>>>>> Kevin Dwyer
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>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Emily Summerhays 
>>>>>> <emily at boisebicycleproject.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>> Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us 
>>>>>> shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and 
>>>>>> should continue to operate?
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
>>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer at gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in 
>>>>>>> a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without 
>>>>>>> deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be 
>>>>>>> rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of 
>>>>>>> plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes 
>>>>>>> hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic 
>>>>>>> failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple 
>>>>>>> Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never 
>>>>>>> had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of 
>>>>>>> bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 
>>>>>>>> <3rdwardbikes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Citrus attacks plastics.
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer 
>>>>>>>>> <kevidwyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You should contact your county health department with your 
>>>>>>>>> questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. 
>>>>>>>>> Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were 
>>>>>>>>> very helpful.
>>>>>>>>> Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about 
>>>>>>>>> $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great 
>>>>>>>>> solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch 
>>>>>>>>>> <andrew at b4hpdx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line 
>>>>>>>>>> between serving our community and doing our part not to spread 
>>>>>>>>>> covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, 
>>>>>>>>>> so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all 
>>>>>>>>>> over looking at things from this one.
>>>>>>>>>> Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, 
>>>>>>>>>> in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike 
>>>>>>>>>> adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online 
>>>>>>>>>> for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner 
>>>>>>>>>> organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is 
>>>>>>>>>> set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is 
>>>>>>>>>> asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet 
>>>>>>>>>> in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike 
>>>>>>>>>> options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is 
>>>>>>>>>> a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying 
>>>>>>>>>> to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, 
>>>>>>>>>> as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our 
>>>>>>>>>> mission.
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing 
>>>>>>>>>> and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested 
>>>>>>>>>> from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down 
>>>>>>>>>> bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so 
>>>>>>>>>> much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire 
>>>>>>>>>> anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact 
>>>>>>>>>> points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on 
>>>>>>>>>> grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points 
>>>>>>>>>> sanitizing rag?
>>>>>>>>>> And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike 
>>>>>>>>>> purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, 
>>>>>>>>>> rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity 
>>>>>>>>>> ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the 
>>>>>>>>>> doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our 
>>>>>>>>>> basement...
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his)
>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>> andrew at b4hpdx.org
>>>>>>>>>> Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes 
>>>>>>>>>> while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and 
>>>>>>>>>> commuting.
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