From emailmyremail@gmail.com Mon Aug  3 20:20:40 2015
From: erk magosh <emailmyremail@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] How much time spent on overhauls?
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 22:20:38 -0500
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We give our students at least 10 hours to work on their bikes. How much
time is in your EAB program?

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:12 PM, DancesWithCars <danceswithcars(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

> What kind of service do they do if they don't work on their own earn a
> bike?
> On Jul 7, 2015 1:09 PM, <DCoppley(a)intercitytransit.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings fellow bicycle enthusiasts and all-around do-gooders,
>>
>>
>>
>> We run an earn-a-bike program, though in our program, which is relatively
>> short in duration, the students receive a used bike which has already been
>> reconditioned. Consequently, I am currently overhauling/refurbishing bikes
>> for use in our fall classes.
>>
>>
>>
>> *My question is=E2=80=A6 how long (# of hrs) do you typically spend on a c=
omplete
>> bicycle overhaul? What does it include? Do you always put in new
>> cables/housing, and do BB/headset/hub rebuilds, or just on the extra
>> crunchy bikes?*
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coppley
>>
>> Walk n=E2=80=99 Roll Program Assistant
>>
>> Intercity Transit
>>
>> 360-705-5817
>>
>> PO Box 659 Olympia, WA 98501
>>
>> dcoppley(a)intercitytransit.com
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From paul@thebicycletree.org Mon Aug  3 21:48:34 2015
From: Paul Nagel <paul@thebicycletree.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] How much time spent on overhauls?
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:48:32 -0700
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I know this doesn't precisely address your question, but we have 18 kids goin=
g through our Earn-a-Bike program right now and I feel like sharing how we do=
 the whole thing.

After some experimenting, I feel we've arrived at a pretty good curriculum fo=
r our Earn-a-Bikers. We call our program Wrench and Ride, partly because we d=
on't exactly feel like framing it in terms of the kids "earning" the bikes - =
bikes are *almost* a fundamental right in industrial society, like food and s=
helter. It's an educational experience that happens to also get bikes to yout=
h that need them, one that every kid "deserves".

We used to do a bunch of instruction before kids ever got working on their bi=
kes. So, we'd do four days (two hours each) of instruction, then choose bikes=
, then work on them for three days, and do a bike ride on the last day. While=
 working on bikes, every kid would be doing a different thing, and with only =
a couple instructors, it was quite chaotic and not very good for anyone, even=
 with a class size of only 8-10 youth.

They key change we've made is keeping everyone on the same task, and to keep =
them interested by tying instruction in with their own bikes.

We've refined it so that we do one day of introducing the shop and program, t=
alking about why biking is great, and talking about bike safety (we might mov=
e the bike safety part to the second to last day, but that's where we have it=
 for now). The second day, we talk about bike anatomy, bicycle types, tips fo=
r choosing a good bike, discuss shop safety issues, and an intro to lefty loo=
sey/righty tighty and the concept of leverage. That same day, everyone choose=
s their bike. Before the class, we separate all the appropriate bikes and put=
 them on our back patio, making sure there are at least three more bikes than=
 there are youth. We then draw names at random out of a box and, one by one, =
each kid chooses their (unrepaired) bike (with the help of an instructor) and=
 puts their repair tag on it. If there is time left, everyone can start by in=
specting their frame and fork, and possibly doing one more item on the list.

Again: everyone stays on the same subject/repair aspect at the same time. For=
 instance, before inspecting frames, we explain what to look for, then we dou=
ble check things with them, and no one moves onto the next item until everyon=
e is done. If someone finishes early, they can help someone next to them, or =
observe what's going on with someone else (we try to make sure every kid is f=
ocused on someone's bike). When we get to checking tires and tubes, we talk a=
bout what they need to know, then everyone proceeds to work on that part of t=
heir bike, and so on. For those people whose bike requires extra work, we use=
 it as an instruction opportunity for everyone who is finished with their own=
 bike, who can gather around and see what's going on. In the event that it's =
an inappropriately time consuming or difficult repair, we leave that for late=
r (or for a volunteer mechanic to fix outside of Wrench and Ride hours). I wo=
uld say that, in general, it's not so important for kids to fully learn how t=
o do bearing overhauls on their own. They can learn the general concept, but =
we're not looking to train bike mechanics, we're looking to give kids the ski=
lls they need to use bikes regularly. Bearing overhauls *can* be confusing an=
d time consuming, and in many cases cut into kids' enthusiasm. So, we let man=
y of the bearing overhauls and other challenging repairs (like shifter lubric=
ation) get left for (adultish) volunteer mechanics. And, no, not every bearin=
g needs an overhaul! Do what you can.

So, instruction is tied in directly with kids' own bikes. If we have them wor=
k on other "sample" bikes, wheels, tires, or whatever, they are highly prone =
to not care, and therefore not learn.

The last day, we hand out helmets and lights, review group riding/traffic saf=
ety info, then go on a short (4 miles max) bike ride, we then return to hand =
out certificates and locks. Parents should be there to pick up kids and bikes=
...
In total, this can span 6-8 days (weeks) of instruction.

5th grade and younger is usually too young for this type of mechanically inte=
nsive program, the younger kids aren't going to digest much of the mechanical=
 tomfoolery. I've had several 6th graders do the program and that seemed bord=
erline. Elementary students' instruction should focus mainly on bike safety a=
nd riding around and having fun, in my opinion.

- Paul

The Bicycle Tree
shop: (714) 760-4681811 N. Main St.Santa Ana, CA 92701info(a)thebicycletree.o=
rghttp://thebicycletree.orgon facebook / on instagram / on tumblr / on twitter

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 22:20:38 -0500
From: emailmyremail(a)gmail.com
To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] How much time spent on overhauls?

We give our students at least 10 hours to work on their bikes. How much time =
is in your EAB program?
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:12 PM, DancesWithCars <danceswithcars(a)gmail.com> w=
rote:
What kind of service do they do if they don't work on their own earn a bike?
On Jul 7, 2015 1:09 PM,  <DCoppley(a)intercitytransit.com> wrote:








Greetings fellow bicycle enthusiasts and all-around do-gooders,
=20
We run an earn-a-bike program, though in our program, which is relatively sho=
rt in duration, the students receive a used bike which has already been recon=
ditioned. Consequently, I am currently overhauling/refurbishing bikes for use=
 in our
 fall classes.
=20
My question is=E2=80=A6 how long (# of hrs) do you typically spend on a compl=
ete bicycle overhaul? What does it include? Do you always put in new cables/h=
ousing, and do BB/headset/hub rebuilds, or just on the extra crunchy bikes?
=20
Thanks in advance,
=20
David
=20
David Coppley
Walk n=E2=80=99 Roll Program Assistant
Intercity Transit
360-705-5817
PO Box 659 Olympia, WA 98501
dcoppley(a)intercitytransit.com
Find us on Facebook!
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From sterlingstone@gearinupbicycles.org Tue Aug  4 07:00:28 2015
From: Sterling Stone <sterlingstone@gearinupbicycles.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] How much time spent on overhauls?
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 10:00:26 -0400
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Hey there All,

We run a few variations of the EAB program.

Our summer camps typically spend about 12 hours working on a bike and about
3 hours of riding.  Most camps we partner with have additional riding time,
and this is something that we plan to make more robust in the coming
years.  We have found that the it is most successful with middle school and
High School youth.  However, we have gone as young as 7 years old.  There
are many more challenges with the younger age group.  But depending on the
condition of the bike and your staffing its possible to be done.

After-school EAB is about the same with 13 hours of mechanic time and 3
hours of riding.  The biggest challenge we have had here is the program
participation consistency.  So its hard to gauge how long one youth spends
on 1 part because they may miss 3 weeks and have to go pack to a previous
lesson, while everyone else is progressing.

Our in shop EAB is much different, in that the youth much volunteer and
learn how to rebuild and complete repairs before starting on a bike of
their choice.  Once they complete 16 volunteers hours working in the shop,
then they become eligible to start working on a bike of their own.

As a general rule for any bike, if the bike is being "emotional" and
requires more than 8 hours of work, it is usually recycled or sold as is.

Hope that helps,

Sterling

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Paul Nagel <paul(a)thebicycletree.org> wrote:

> I know this doesn't precisely address your question, but we have 18 kids
> going through our Earn-a-Bike program right now and I feel like sharing how
> we do the whole thing.
>
> After some experimenting, I feel we've arrived at a pretty good curriculum
> for our Earn-a-Bikers. We call our program Wrench and Ride, partly because
> we don't exactly feel like framing it in terms of the kids "earning" the
> bikes - bikes are *almost* a fundamental right in industrial society, like
> food and shelter. It's an educational experience that happens to also get
> bikes to youth that need them, one that every kid "deserves".
>
> We used to do a bunch of instruction before kids ever got working on their
> bikes. So, we'd do four days (two hours each) of instruction, then choose
> bikes, then work on them for three days, and do a bike ride on the last
> day. While working on bikes, every kid would be doing a different thing,
> and with only a couple instructors, it was quite chaotic and not very good
> for anyone, even with a class size of only 8-10 youth.
>
> They key change we've made is keeping everyone on the same task, and to
> keep them interested by tying instruction in with their own bikes.
>
> We've refined it so that we do one day of introducing the shop and
> program, talking about why biking is great, and talking about bike safety
> (we might move the bike safety part to the second to last day, but that's
> where we have it for now). The second day, we talk about bike anatomy,
> bicycle types, tips for choosing a good bike, discuss shop safety issues,
> and an intro to lefty loosey/righty tighty and the concept of leverage.
> That same day, everyone chooses their bike. Before the class, we separate
> all the appropriate bikes and put them on our back patio, making sure there
> are at least three more bikes than there are youth. We then draw names at
> random out of a box and, one by one, each kid chooses their (unrepaired)
> bike (with the help of an instructor) and puts their repair tag on it. If
> there is time left, everyone can start by inspecting their frame and fork,
> and possibly doing one more item on the list.
>
> Again: everyone stays on the same subject/repair aspect at the same time.
> For instance, before inspecting frames, we explain what to look for, then
> we double check things with them, and no one moves onto the next item until
> everyone is done. If someone finishes early, they can help someone next to
> them, or observe what's going on with someone else (we try to make sure
> every kid is focused on someone's bike). When we get to checking tires and
> tubes, we talk about what they need to know, then everyone proceeds to work
> on that part of their bike, and so on. For those people whose bike requires
> extra work, we use it as an instruction opportunity for everyone who is
> finished with their own bike, who can gather around and see what's going
> on. In the event that it's an inappropriately time consuming or difficult
> repair, we leave that for later (or for a volunteer mechanic to fix outside
> of Wrench and Ride hours). I would say that, in general, it's not so
> important for kids to fully learn how to do bearing overhauls on their own.
> They can learn the general concept, but we're not looking to train bike
> mechanics, we're looking to give kids the skills they need to use bikes
> regularly. Bearing overhauls *can* be confusing and time consuming, and in
> many cases cut into kids' enthusiasm. So, we let many of the bearing
> overhauls and other challenging repairs (like shifter lubrication) get left
> for (adultish) volunteer mechanics. And, no, not every bearing needs an
> overhaul! Do what you can.
>
> So, instruction is tied in directly with kids' own bikes. If we have them
> work on other "sample" bikes, wheels, tires, or whatever, they are highly
> prone to not care, and therefore not learn.
>
> The last day, we hand out helmets and lights, review group riding/traffic
> safety info, then go on a short (4 miles max) bike ride, we then return to
> hand out certificates and locks. Parents should be there to pick up kids
> and bikes...
>
> In total, this can span 6-8 days (weeks) of instruction.
>
> 5th grade and younger is usually too young for this type of mechanically
> intensive program, the younger kids aren't going to digest much of the
> mechanical tomfoolery. I've had several 6th graders do the program and that
> seemed borderline. Elementary students' instruction should focus mainly on
> bike safety and riding around and having fun, in my opinion.
>
> - Paul
>
> The Bicycle Tree
> shop: (714) 760-4681
> 811 N. Main St.
> Santa Ana, CA 92701
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> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 22:20:38 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] How much time spent on overhauls?
>
>
> We give our students at least 10 hours to work on their bikes. How much
> time is in your EAB program?
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:12 PM, DancesWithCars <danceswithcars(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> What kind of service do they do if they don't work on their own earn a
> bike?
> On Jul 7, 2015 1:09 PM, <DCoppley(a)intercitytransit.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings fellow bicycle enthusiasts and all-around do-gooders,
>
>
>
> We run an earn-a-bike program, though in our program, which is relatively
> short in duration, the students receive a used bike which has already been
> reconditioned. Consequently, I am currently overhauling/refurbishing bikes
> for use in our fall classes.
>
>
>
> *My question is=E2=80=A6 how long (# of hrs) do you typically spend on a co=
mplete
> bicycle overhaul? What does it include? Do you always put in new
> cables/housing, and do BB/headset/hub rebuilds, or just on the extra
> crunchy bikes?*
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> David Coppley
>
> Walk n=E2=80=99 Roll Program Assistant
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From breathingplanet@gmail.com Tue Aug  4 08:06:37 2015
From: "breathingplanet ." <breathingplanet@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] northeast surplus bikes for crates or other
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:00:20 -0400
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Hello wonderful thinktank,

here at Troy Bike Rescue in Troy, NY (albany area) we are embarking on a
session of culling and cleaning out our stock.  we will generate some scrap
for sure, but we will also be culling a load of overstock complete bikes in
'project' phase that we would rather not scrap if possible.

this is just an email of inquiry to see if anyone out there within a couple
hour motor vehicle range of us is currently filling a crate for export, or
if any up and coming shops need a boost in their project bikes.  In the
past we have worked with Bikes for Humanity, but they have ceased their
operations, at least for the moment.

Please email me and cc: Ken (cc:d above) if you have ideas or contacts.

We could rent or borrow a truck or trailer and potentially bring you quite
a load within the month!!
(it would be awesome to figure out some way that the receiving org could
fund gas, but details can be discussed.)


  we need to purge.  help us!!


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From ashooner@gmail.com Thu Aug 13 11:33:30 2015
From: Andrew Shooner <ashooner@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Bike Giveaway?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:33:29 -0400
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We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time
of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash
or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many
incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm
looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway
event for un-assessed donations:

*Pros*
Expose more public to the shop
Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers
Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)

*Cons*
Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out.
Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on anyway.
Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or
dangerous bikes.
Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.

Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut
tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we
can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing
basis.

-Andy
Brok Spoke, Lexington



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From tegan@communitybikeshop.org Thu Aug 13 16:46:47 2015
From: Tegan Moss <tegan@communitybikeshop.org>
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We occasionally do a "$20 bike sale" to move some old unwanted frames. It
tends to draw a big crowd and make some quick cash.

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> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Bike Giveaway?
> We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time
> of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash
> or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many
> incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm
> looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway
> event for un-assessed donations:
>
> *Pros*
> Expose more public to the shop
> Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers
> Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
>
> *Cons*
> Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out.
> Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on
> anyway.
> Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or
> dangerous bikes.
> Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
>
> Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut
> tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we
> can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing
> basis.
>
> -Andy
> Brok Spoke, Lexington
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B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop
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From breathingplanet@gmail.com Thu Aug 13 19:21:22 2015
From: "breathingplanet ." <breathingplanet@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Giveaway?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 22:21:20 -0400
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Andy,

so are you giving away bikes that are already repaired or still in need of
repair?

we do two kids bikes (coaster brake only) giveaways a year, at new years
time and in June at an annual local festival.  we stockpile them all and
then do a work party to ready about 50-70 each time.

your list of pros and cons is a good one and a lot of the same issues we
grapple with.  we have $5 bikes that are basically repaired walmart bikes
and those are sometimes given away to someone who needs a bike but cant
afford that.

we are currently going through a big culling process where we are closing
shop for a week and just working on pulling out bikes we will never have
time to work on and are just taking space.  some will be given away in bulk
and moved off site, and others will be scrapped.

Andrew
Troy Bike Rescue



On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Shooner <ashooner(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time
> of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash
> or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many
> incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm
> looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway
> event for un-assessed donations:
>
> *Pros*
> Expose more public to the shop
> Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers
> Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
>
> *Cons*
> Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out.
> Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on
> anyway.
> Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or
> dangerous bikes.
> Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
>
> Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut
> tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we
> can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing
> basis.
>
> -Andy
> Brok Spoke, Lexington
>
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From thomas.martin6@pcc.edu Fri Aug 14 00:12:02 2015
From: Tom Martin <thomas.martin6@pcc.edu>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Giveaway?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 00:11:16 -0700
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Hi all:

Random thoughts:

1. Selling bikes as is with a sheet explaining exactly what is wrong with the=
 bike can provide a few benefits. It establishes a public facing evaluation p=
rocess for every bike that goes through your program. It establishes a value =
based on condition and components. It allows volunteers and workers to quickl=
y determine which bikes are worthy of further work (overhaul, tune up, etc). =
It also provides minimum standards for the bikes in your program or fleet. I'=
ve worked at shops where low end dual suspension bikes are automatically red =
tagged and stripped of usable parts, if any. Other shops have drawn the line =
at anything with cotter pins or electro forged schwinns.  The point is, have =
minimum standards for safety and performance, then educate the community abou=
t those standards. That may free up some inventory and provide a path for reh=
abbing or stripping bikes that are worthy of your efforts, and sending the re=
st to the scrap yard.=20

2. If you have a substantial burning man/festival community locally, they wou=
ld probably be interested in anything that is a beach cruiser coaster brake s=
inglespeed or a Mountain bike converted to singlespeed with at least one usab=
le brake. I keep my prices fairly high for playa bikes, but do so with a guar=
antee and support at the event, which nobody else does.=20

Tom Martin
ASPCC bike program coordinator=20
Cascade
Sent on the go. Please excuse brevity and typos.=20

> On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:21 PM, breathingplanet . <breathingplanet(a)gmail.com=
> wrote:
>=20
> Andy,
>=20
> so are you giving away bikes that are already repaired or still in need of =
repair?
>=20
> we do two kids bikes (coaster brake only) giveaways a year, at new years ti=
me and in June at an annual local festival.  we stockpile them all and then d=
o a work party to ready about 50-70 each time. =20
>=20
> your list of pros and cons is a good one and a lot of the same issues we gr=
apple with.  we have $5 bikes that are basically repaired walmart bikes and t=
hose are sometimes given away to someone who needs a bike but cant afford tha=
t.
>=20
> we are currently going through a big culling process where we are closing s=
hop for a week and just working on pulling out bikes we will never have time =
to work on and are just taking space.  some will be given away in bulk and mo=
ved off site, and others will be scrapped.
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> Andrew
> Troy Bike Rescue
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Shooner <ashooner(a)gmail.com> wro=
te:
>> We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time =
of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash o=
r volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many incoming d=
onations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm looking for some=
 wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway event for un-assesse=
d donations:
>>=20
>> Pros
>> Expose more public to the shop
>> Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers
>> Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
>>=20
>> Cons
>> Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out.
>> Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on anywa=
y.
>> Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or dangero=
us bikes.
>> Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
>>=20
>> Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut te=
lls me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we can =
hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing basis.
>>=20
>> -Andy
>> Brok Spoke, Lexington
>>=20
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From: DancesWithCars <danceswithcars@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Giveaway?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 07:40:38 +0000
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There is an implied elitism in the above/below statements.

Say Bikes for the World donation of low end bikes, considered fit for third
world, but low brow for first world, or local upper mechanics v. common
users/pedallers...

But transportation as a necessity, still better than bus, walk or drive, in
many instances...  A spare bike where others might have to be mere
pedestrians...

Realize poverty exists in Your communities too, with very rare exception,
or expand you consciousness / boundaries/ zoning model and serve that need,
likely part of the true mission...otherwise work in regular, must sell new
year model commercial high end race oriented shops...  Ala "Got
carbon|titanium? We do!"

/SteppingOffToConsiderLastCritMassAttendanceDates

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015, 03:12 Tom Martin <thomas.martin6(a)pcc.edu> wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> Random thoughts:
>
> 1. Selling bikes as is with a sheet explaining exactly what is wrong with
> the bike can provide a few benefits. It establishes a public facing
> evaluation process for every bike that goes through your program. It
> establishes a value based on condition and components. It allows volunteers
> and workers to quickly determine which bikes are worthy of further work
> (overhaul, tune up, etc). It also provides minimum standards for the bikes
> in your program or fleet. I've worked at shops where low end dual
> suspension bikes are automatically red tagged and stripped of usable parts,
> if any. Other shops have drawn the line at anything with cotter pins or
> electro forged schwinns.  The point is, have minimum standards for safety
> and performance, then educate the community about those standards. That may
> free up some inventory and provide a path for rehabbing or stripping bikes
> that are worthy of your efforts, and sending the rest to the scrap yard.
>
> 2. If you have a substantial burning man/festival community locally, they
> would probably be interested in anything that is a beach cruiser coaster
> brake singlespeed or a Mountain bike converted to singlespeed with at least
> one usable brake. I keep my prices fairly high for playa bikes, but do so
> with a guarantee and support at the event, which nobody else does.
>
> Tom Martin
> ASPCC bike program coordinator
> Cascade
> Sent on the go. Please excuse brevity and typos.
>
> On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:21 PM, breathingplanet . <breathingplanet(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> so are you giving away bikes that are already repaired or still in need of
> repair?
>
> we do two kids bikes (coaster brake only) giveaways a year, at new years
> time and in June at an annual local festival.  we stockpile them all and
> then do a work party to ready about 50-70 each time.
>
> your list of pros and cons is a good one and a lot of the same issues we
> grapple with.  we have $5 bikes that are basically repaired walmart bikes
> and those are sometimes given away to someone who needs a bike but cant
> afford that.
>
> we are currently going through a big culling process where we are closing
> shop for a week and just working on pulling out bikes we will never have
> time to work on and are just taking space.  some will be given away in bulk
> and moved off site, and others will be scrapped.
>
> Andrew
> Troy Bike Rescue
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Shooner <ashooner(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time
>> of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash
>> or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many
>> incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm
>> looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway
>> event for un-assessed donations:
>>
>> *Pros*
>> Expose more public to the shop
>> Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers
>> Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
>>
>> *Cons*
>> Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out.
>> Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on
>> anyway.
>> Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or
>> dangerous bikes.
>> Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
>>
>> Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut
>> tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we
>> can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing
>> basis.
>>
>> -Andy
>> Brok Spoke, Lexington
>>
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From analyst@bikefarm.org Fri Aug 14 12:13:38 2015
From: momoko saunders <analyst@bikefarm.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Giveaway?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:12:57 -0700
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At bike farm when we sell any bike, it comes with a one month membership.
This includes "as-is" bikes and bike frames or partial bikes. It serves
kinda as a warranty. Whatever's messed up on it, we can help you repair it.

Doing this helps us focus on the mission, which is teaching people how to
fix bikes, not being a retail bike shop. It's also a low cost option for a
bike if you've got some time and patience to work on it. We don't mind
giving out memberships. So many times people come into the shop to buy a
"cheap bike". What we really want is for them to grow to love their bike,
know how to take care of it, and feel more empowered by mastering their
mode of transportation.

Sometimes, bikes just must be scrapped. We try as hard as we can to
dismantle, offer frames up to welders or artists. But sometimes it's better
to get the rust buckets out of the shop. When they start to pile up, they
become a safety risk.



On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:40 AM, DancesWithCars <danceswithcars(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

> There is an implied elitism in the above/below statements.
>
> Say Bikes for the World donation of low end bikes, considered fit for
> third world, but low brow for first world, or local upper mechanics v.
> common users/pedallers...
>
> But transportation as a necessity, still better than bus, walk or drive,
> in many instances...  A spare bike where others might have to be mere
> pedestrians...
>
> Realize poverty exists in Your communities too, with very rare exception,
> or expand you consciousness / boundaries/ zoning model and serve that need,
> likely part of the true mission...otherwise work in regular, must sell new
> year model commercial high end race oriented shops...  Ala "Got
> carbon|titanium? We do!"
>
> /SteppingOffToConsiderLastCritMassAttendanceDates
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015, 03:12 Tom Martin <thomas.martin6(a)pcc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> Random thoughts:
>>
>> 1. Selling bikes as is with a sheet explaining exactly what is wrong with
>> the bike can provide a few benefits. It establishes a public facing
>> evaluation process for every bike that goes through your program. It
>> establishes a value based on condition and components. It allows volunteers
>> and workers to quickly determine which bikes are worthy of further work
>> (overhaul, tune up, etc). It also provides minimum standards for the bikes
>> in your program or fleet. I've worked at shops where low end dual
>> suspension bikes are automatically red tagged and stripped of usable parts,
>> if any. Other shops have drawn the line at anything with cotter pins or
>> electro forged schwinns.  The point is, have minimum standards for safety
>> and performance, then educate the community about those standards. That may
>> free up some inventory and provide a path for rehabbing or stripping bikes
>> that are worthy of your efforts, and sending the rest to the scrap yard.
>>
>> 2. If you have a substantial burning man/festival community locally, they
>> would probably be interested in anything that is a beach cruiser coaster
>> brake singlespeed or a Mountain bike converted to singlespeed with at least
>> one usable brake. I keep my prices fairly high for playa bikes, but do so
>> with a guarantee and support at the event, which nobody else does.
>>
>> Tom Martin
>> ASPCC bike program coordinator
>> Cascade
>> Sent on the go. Please excuse brevity and typos.
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:21 PM, breathingplanet . <breathingplanet(a)gmail.co=
m>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Andy,
>>
>> so are you giving away bikes that are already repaired or still in need
>> of repair?
>>
>> we do two kids bikes (coaster brake only) giveaways a year, at new years
>> time and in June at an annual local festival.  we stockpile them all and
>> then do a work party to ready about 50-70 each time.
>>
>> your list of pros and cons is a good one and a lot of the same issues we
>> grapple with.  we have $5 bikes that are basically repaired walmart bikes
>> and those are sometimes given away to someone who needs a bike but cant
>> afford that.
>>
>> we are currently going through a big culling process where we are closing
>> shop for a week and just working on pulling out bikes we will never have
>> time to work on and are just taking space.  some will be given away in bulk
>> and moved off site, and others will be scrapped.
>>
>> Andrew
>> Troy Bike Rescue
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Shooner <ashooner(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this
>>> time of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them
>>> (cash or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many
>>> incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm
>>> looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway
>>> event for un-assessed donations:
>>>
>>> *Pros*
>>> Expose more public to the shop
>>> Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers
>>> Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
>>>
>>> *Cons*
>>> Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out.
>>> Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on
>>> anyway.
>>> Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or
>>> dangerous bikes.
>>> Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut
>>> tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we
>>> can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing
>>> basis.
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>> Brok Spoke, Lexington
>>>
>>>
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From director@communitybike.net Fri Aug 14 12:14:05 2015
From: director@communitybike.net
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Away on Vacation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:13:47 -0400
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Hi,

&nbsp;

I will be away from the CBC&nbsp;starting August 14th&nbsp;and returning on &=
nbsp;September 14th.

&nbsp;

Contact Andrew Burnell for programming and volunteering questions (programs(a=
)communitybike.net) or Carol Meader for resource development and communicatio=
ns questions (development(a)communitybike.net).&nbsp;

&nbsp;

The CBC phone numbe is 282-9700 and our website is www.communitybike.net.

&nbsp;

Take care,

Andy

&nbsp;

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From jeffrey@jeffreytong.com Fri Aug 14 13:46:02 2015
From: jeffrey@jeffreytong.com
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Giveaway?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:46:00 -0700
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From johancavert@gmail.com Tue Aug 18 21:47:19 2015
From: johan c <johancavert@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Bike Apprenticeship?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:46:39 -0500
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Hello all-

I am a recent High School graduate undertaking a Gap Year this coming year.
This summer I interned at a local non-profit community bike shop. If
possible I would love to attend classes at UBI or Barnett's in order to
form a solid understanding of bike mechanics. After taking the class,
however I would want to apply my new skills in a bike shop so I wouldn't
immediately forget them.

My question is this: Would any of you know a place I could work at and
learn about bikes in exchange for room and board? I wouldn't need pay, just
a place to stay- maybe a housing exchange or something of that sort.
Ideally my "apprenticeship" would last for about a month. Please contact me
with any ideas!

- Johan Cavert
caver015(a)umn.edu



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From marissapherson@gmail.com Wed Aug 19 13:46:50 2015
From: Marissa Pherson <marissapherson@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Apprenticeship?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:46:20 -0400
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I'm down. I'm a UMN grad and I am on the board of a community bike shop
that just hired a full time shop manager who has 10 years experience.
I'm in Columbus, IN (about 45 minutes from Indy and Bloomington, IN, about
1.5 hours from Cincy and Louisville). My husband and I are originally from
south central MN, and we travel back a few times a year.
We can make it happen.
You'd get your own bedroom, bathroom, and half bath. One nosy cat, and one
chill cat. Laundry, fridge, etc.
www.bikeco-op.org - https://www.facebook.com/columbusbicyclecoop
Marissa Pherson

Marissa Pherson

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:46 AM, johan c <johancavert(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all-
>
> I am a recent High School graduate undertaking a Gap Year this coming
> year. This summer I interned at a local non-profit community bike shop. If
> possible I would love to attend classes at UBI or Barnett's in order to
> form a solid understanding of bike mechanics. After taking the class,
> however I would want to apply my new skills in a bike shop so I wouldn't
> immediately forget them.
>
> My question is this: Would any of you know a place I could work at and
> learn about bikes in exchange for room and board? I wouldn't need pay, just
> a place to stay- maybe a housing exchange or something of that sort.
> Ideally my "apprenticeship" would last for about a month. Please contact me
> with any ideas!
>
> - Johan Cavert
> caver015(a)umn.edu
>
>
>
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From sheldon@spokesconnect.org Fri Aug 21 12:15:11 2015
From: sheldon mains <sheldon@spokesconnect.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Comprehensive Database for community bike center--	any
 expereinces
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 14:15:05 -0500
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We're (Cycles for Change in St. Paul, MN ---www.CyclesForChange.org) is
starting a search for a comprehensive database for all of our programs and
activities.  We want something that:

Tracks participants, donors and volunteers over all programs
(Earn-a-Bike, Community Partners Bike Libary, Learn-to-Ride, Open Shop,
Youth Apprenticeship, Volunteer Night, Community Rides, Equity Council,
Infrastructure Advocacy)

Automates event sign-up for classes and events

Manages multiple email newsletters

Tracks participation levels (e.g. how often someone comes to open shop or
if they attended all 4 classes in a four week course)

Tracks all communications with all participants, volunteers and donors

Comprehensive demographic information

Customizable reports

Anyone with any suggestions?  We're looking at something that is on the web
(we have three locations). We are looking for something that does not
require a techie to manage.

Specifically, we've heard there is a community bike center that has created
a bike center implementation of SalesForce

thanks much

sheldon
..............
Sheldon Mains
Cycles for Change
www.SpokesConnect.org  www.CyclesForChange.org
Minneapolis, MN 612/618-7149
Three ways to donate to SPOKES:
1. Volunteer.  2. Donate repairable used bikes. 3. Financial donations
always welcome. Check www.SpokesConnect.org for details.



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From polydad8@yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 12:33:09 2015
From: Ess Jay <polydad8@yahoo.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Comprehensive Database for community bike center--
	any expereinces
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:33:06 +0000
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Sheldon --
I'm just getting back into DB work; I got bucked into management years back, =
and am only now getting an opportunity to get code-dust back on my fingers.=
=C2=A0=20

As you've probably noticed, DB work is *inherently* tricky; the additional la=
yer of computer-systems administration that inevitably ends up on top only ad=
ds to a pre-existing problem.=C2=A0=20

I have not yet put in hands-on experience with SalesForce.=C2=A0 What I've pi=
cked up on the gossip-mill (most recently at OSCON last month) suggests that =
while free implementations are available for non-profits, there are two issue=
s with it:=C2=A0 1.) It's really more designed and more suited to a for-profi=
t context, and 2.) it has an alarming tendency to suddenly become non-free, *=
after* one is already committed to it.=20

I'd suggest CiviCRM as an alternative.=C2=A0 It's specifically designed with =
NFP operations in mind, and while the inherent complexity I'd mentioned above=
 will make it suddenly look very worthwhile to hire a consultant to do the im=
plementation for you, it *is* FOSS, and you *can* do the implementation yours=
elf.=C2=A0 I'd suggest hiring a *trainer* rather than a consultant, as that w=
ay you learn how to fix it yourself rather than give your organization as hos=
tage to the consultant.=C2=A0=20

If you want to discuss this in greater detail, please contact me off-list.=C2=
=A0=20

best,
Joel
polydad8(a)yahoo.com


      From: sheldon mains <sheldon(a)spokesconnect.org>
 To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org>=20
 Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:15 PM
 Subject: [TheThinkTank] Comprehensive Database for community bike center-- a=
ny expereinces
  =20
We're (Cycles for Change in St. Paul, MN ---www.CyclesForChange.org) is start=
ing a search for a comprehensive database for all of our programs and activit=
ies.=C2=A0 We want something that:=C2=A0Tracks participants, donors and volun=
teers over all programs(Earn-a-Bike, Community Partners Bike Libary, Learn-to=
-Ride, Open Shop, Youth Apprenticeship, Volunteer Night, Community Rides, Equ=
ity Council, Infrastructure Advocacy)
Automates event sign-up for classes and events
Manages multiple email newsletters
Tracks participation levels (e.g. how often someone comes to open shop or if =
they attended all 4 classes in a four week course)
Tracks all communications with all participants, volunteers and donors
Comprehensive demographic information
Customizable reports
Anyone with any suggestions?=C2=A0 We're looking at something that is on the =
web (we have three locations). We are looking for something that does not req=
uire a techie to manage.
Specifically, we've heard there is a community bike center that has created a=
 bike center implementation of SalesForce=C2=A0
thanks much
sheldon..............Sheldon MainsCycles for Changewww.SpokesConnect.org=C2=
=A0=C2=A0www.CyclesForChange.org=C2=A0Minneapolis, MN=C2=A0612/618-7149Three =
ways to donate to SPOKES:1. Volunteer. =C2=A02. Donate repairable used bikes.=
 3. Financial donations always welcome. Check www.SpokesConnect.org for detai=
ls.
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From analyst@bikefarm.org Sun Aug 23 09:30:40 2015
From: momoko saunders <analyst@bikefarm.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Comprehensive Database for community bike center--
 any expereinces
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:29:58 -0700
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I haven't used it yet. But I've been considereing Nation Builder
<http://nationbuilder.com/features_nonprofits>. The Community Cycling
Center, in Portland OR, is using it. They emailed the company and got a
free version. If you try it out, let me know how it goes!

-momoko
Bike Farm

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:15 PM, sheldon mains <sheldon(a)spokesconnect.org>
wrote:

> We're (Cycles for Change in St. Paul, MN ---www.CyclesForChange.org) is
> starting a search for a comprehensive database for all of our programs and
> activities.  We want something that:
>
> Tracks participants, donors and volunteers over all programs
> (Earn-a-Bike, Community Partners Bike Libary, Learn-to-Ride, Open Shop,
> Youth Apprenticeship, Volunteer Night, Community Rides, Equity Council,
> Infrastructure Advocacy)
>
> Automates event sign-up for classes and events
>
> Manages multiple email newsletters
>
> Tracks participation levels (e.g. how often someone comes to open shop or
> if they attended all 4 classes in a four week course)
>
> Tracks all communications with all participants, volunteers and donors
>
> Comprehensive demographic information
>
> Customizable reports
>
> Anyone with any suggestions?  We're looking at something that is on the
> web (we have three locations). We are looking for something that does not
> require a techie to manage.
>
> Specifically, we've heard there is a community bike center that has
> created a bike center implementation of SalesForce
>
> thanks much
>
> sheldon
> ..............
> Sheldon Mains
> Cycles for Change
> www.SpokesConnect.org  www.CyclesForChange.org
> Minneapolis, MN 612/618-7149
> Three ways to donate to SPOKES:
> 1. Volunteer.  2. Donate repairable used bikes. 3. Financial donations
> always welcome. Check www.SpokesConnect.org for details.
>
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From joshuahof@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 13:31:18 2015
From: Joshua Hoffman <joshuahof@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Comprehensive Database for community bike center--
 any expereinces
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:31:18 -0500
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I've worked with Nationbuilder on a national campaign. It's a clunky
program but not bad if you're working with millions of people at a time.

https://www.insightly.com/features/ --- this is free and integrates easily
with gmail. I liked it a lot but I'm not sure it has everything you need.

Joshua Hoffman
Market Manager
KCK Farmers Markets  <http://www.kckfarmersmarket.com/>
816-823-2367

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, momoko saunders <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>
wrote:

> I haven't used it yet. But I've been considereing Nation Builder
> <http://nationbuilder.com/features_nonprofits>. The Community Cycling
> Center, in Portland OR, is using it. They emailed the company and got a
> free version. If you try it out, let me know how it goes!
>
> -momoko
> Bike Farm
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:15 PM, sheldon mains <sheldon(a)spokesconnect.org
> > wrote:
>
>> We're (Cycles for Change in St. Paul, MN ---www.CyclesForChange.org) is
>> starting a search for a comprehensive database for all of our programs and
>> activities.  We want something that:
>>
>> Tracks participants, donors and volunteers over all programs
>> (Earn-a-Bike, Community Partners Bike Libary, Learn-to-Ride, Open Shop,
>> Youth Apprenticeship, Volunteer Night, Community Rides, Equity Council,
>> Infrastructure Advocacy)
>>
>> Automates event sign-up for classes and events
>>
>> Manages multiple email newsletters
>>
>> Tracks participation levels (e.g. how often someone comes to open shop or
>> if they attended all 4 classes in a four week course)
>>
>> Tracks all communications with all participants, volunteers and donors
>>
>> Comprehensive demographic information
>>
>> Customizable reports
>>
>> Anyone with any suggestions?  We're looking at something that is on the
>> web (we have three locations). We are looking for something that does not
>> require a techie to manage.
>>
>> Specifically, we've heard there is a community bike center that has
>> created a bike center implementation of SalesForce
>>
>> thanks much
>>
>> sheldon
>> ..............
>> Sheldon Mains
>> Cycles for Change
>> www.SpokesConnect.org  www.CyclesForChange.org
>> Minneapolis, MN 612/618-7149
>> Three ways to donate to SPOKES:
>> 1. Volunteer.  2. Donate repairable used bikes. 3. Financial donations
>> always welcome. Check www.SpokesConnect.org for details.
>>
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From ashooner@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 20:03:03 2015
From: Andrew Shooner <ashooner@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Comprehensive Database for community bike center--
 any expereinces
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 23:03:01 -0400
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For this level of feature integration, you should look into
enterprise-level CRM platforms, and expect to pay a premium for the
service, and likely also training.

I bet Salesforce is the way to go; now that I think of it I thought they
had a non-profit tier...

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Joshua Hoffman <joshuahof(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> I've worked with Nationbuilder on a national campaign. It's a clunky
> program but not bad if you're working with millions of people at a time.
>
> https://www.insightly.com/features/ --- this is free and integrates
> easily with gmail. I liked it a lot but I'm not sure it has everything you
> need.
>
> Joshua Hoffman
> Market Manager
> KCK Farmers Markets  <http://www.kckfarmersmarket.com/>
> 816-823-2367
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, momoko saunders <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't used it yet. But I've been considereing Nation Builder
>> <http://nationbuilder.com/features_nonprofits>. The Community Cycling
>> Center, in Portland OR, is using it. They emailed the company and got a
>> free version. If you try it out, let me know how it goes!
>>
>> -momoko
>> Bike Farm
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:15 PM, sheldon mains <
>> sheldon(a)spokesconnect.org> wrote:
>>
>>> We're (Cycles for Change in St. Paul, MN ---www.CyclesForChange.org) is
>>> starting a search for a comprehensive database for all of our programs and
>>> activities.  We want something that:
>>>
>>> Tracks participants, donors and volunteers over all programs
>>> (Earn-a-Bike, Community Partners Bike Libary, Learn-to-Ride, Open Shop,
>>> Youth Apprenticeship, Volunteer Night, Community Rides, Equity Council,
>>> Infrastructure Advocacy)
>>>
>>> Automates event sign-up for classes and events
>>>
>>> Manages multiple email newsletters
>>>
>>> Tracks participation levels (e.g. how often someone comes to open shop
>>> or if they attended all 4 classes in a four week course)
>>>
>>> Tracks all communications with all participants, volunteers and donors
>>>
>>> Comprehensive demographic information
>>>
>>> Customizable reports
>>>
>>> Anyone with any suggestions?  We're looking at something that is on the
>>> web (we have three locations). We are looking for something that does not
>>> require a techie to manage.
>>>
>>> Specifically, we've heard there is a community bike center that has
>>> created a bike center implementation of SalesForce
>>>
>>> thanks much
>>>
>>> sheldon
>>> ..............
>>> Sheldon Mains
>>> Cycles for Change
>>> www.SpokesConnect.org  www.CyclesForChange.org
>>> Minneapolis, MN 612/618-7149
>>> Three ways to donate to SPOKES:
>>> 1. Volunteer.  2. Donate repairable used bikes. 3. Financial donations
>>> always welcome. Check www.SpokesConnect.org for details.
>>>
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From jmroedl@illinois.edu Thu Aug 27 09:26:22 2015
From: "Roedl, James M" <jmroedl@illinois.edu>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] open position for Active Transportation Coordinator
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:25:56 +0000
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Hello,

The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign is looking for an Active Trans=
portation Coordinator.  This is the evolution of our previous Bike Coordinato=
r position.  The job pertains to encouraging active transportation; mostly bi=
king, but other modes as well.

The Active Transportation Coordinator would work for the University focusing =
on the campus, but also within the community and bike community as a whole.  =
Particularly with the Campus Bike Center the second location of The Bike Proj=
ect of Urbana-Champaign.

There is a link to a detail description of the position below.
http://www.fs.illinois.edu/about-us/job-opportunities/2015/08/27/default-cale=
ndar/visiting-active-transportation-coordinator

Sustainability is human powered,
James Roedl
Manager Campus Bike Center
Volunteer The Bike Project Urbana-Champaign
Volunteer LIFECykle



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From aniola@gmail.com Sun Aug 30 18:46:47 2015
From: Angel York <aniola@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] bicyclist accident report cards
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 18:46:06 -0700
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Just learned about this, thought it might interest some of y'all.
context:
http://www.fastcoexist.com/1679076/what-to-do-when-youre-doored-fill-out-a-bi=
ke-accident-report-card

5000 copies for $140 plus shipping (plus you get your bike collective's
name on the card!)
http://bikesafeboston.com/post/14691991745/to-all-the-people-who-have-contact=
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From kevidwyer@gmail.com Mon Aug 31 07:32:12 2015
From: Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bicyclist accident report cards
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 07:32:11 -0700
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There should be an app for that.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Angel York <aniola(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Just learned about this, thought it might interest some of y'all.
> context:
> http://www.fastcoexist.com/1679076/what-to-do-when-youre-doored-fill-out-a-=
bike-accident-report-card
>
> 5000 copies for $140 plus shipping (plus you get your bike collective's
> name on the card!)
> http://bikesafeboston.com/post/14691991745/to-all-the-people-who-have-conta=
cted-me-about
>
>
> -Angel
>
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From sheldon@spokesconnect.org Mon Aug 31 11:26:41 2015
From: sheldon mains <sheldon@spokesconnect.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Comprehensive Database for community bike center--
 any expereinces
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:26:39 -0500
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More details:

Thanks for all the great responses so far. I=E2=80=99ll provide a few more de=
tails
about our requirements;

Cloud based. Not custom designed by one individual. The organization does
NOT have an in-house techie (in my mind, this rules out Civic CRM and
Drupal but feel free to argue about that). Needs to include pretty complete
customer relationship management tool

HERE ARE THE RESULTS SO FAR:

NationBuilder is still in the running but it does not track volunteer
hours.  Unclear if it has good/flexible reporting for client outcomes. (If
we use it, we=E2=80=99d probably use a combination of that with Volgistics)  =
Very
good at tracking members/donors

Volgistics is great for volunteers but doesn=E2=80=99t seem to do a good job =
on the
other things (again, feel free to argue with me on that)

PowerBase=E2=80=94(Progressive Technology Project=E2=80=99s implementation of=
 CivicCRM for
advocacy) is still in the running but it does not track volunteer hours.
Unclear if it has good/flexible reporting for client outcomes. (If we use
it, we=E2=80=99d probably use a combination of that with Volgistics)

ClientTrack  =E2=80=94 appears to be great at client tracking and reporting. =
 Not
so good at Donor and volunteer management. Is not a CRM (Customer
Relationship Management) database.

Community Bike Shop DB--Good at volunteers and members. No events/class
management.  No customer relationship management.  (feel free to correct me
if I'm wrong)
FreeHub---Good at volunteers and members. No events/class management.  No
customer relationship management. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

SalesForce: Very high implementation costs=E2=80=94 over $10,000 to do it rig=
ht.
I've talked to organizations that tried to do it on their own with
volunteers-- unless the volunteer knows and has worked with SalesForce,
there seems to be a high failure rate.  Very customizable (hence the high
start-up cost). Anyone know a community bike center that is using it?

TheDataBank--So far, most complete option=E2=80=94 but ongoing price could be=
 an
issue

Still collecting information on these and other options.

ANYONE USING ANY OF THESE: Would like your comments:

PowerBase
EveryAction
Frontstream Online (was Giftworks)
ResultsPlus
Little Green Machine
theDataBank
Salsa
CitySoft Community Enterprise
..............
Sheldon Mains
SPOKES Bike Walk Connect program of Cycles for Change
www.SpokesConnect.org  www.fb.com/SpokesConnect
Minneapolis, MN 612/618-7149
Three ways to donate to SPOKES:
1. Volunteer.  2. Donate repairable used bikes. 3. Financial donations
always welcome. Check www.SpokesConnect.org for details.

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From rsolomonpark@gmail.com Mon Aug 31 12:47:35 2015
From: Randi Park <rsolomonpark@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Comprehensive Database for community bike center--
 any expereinces
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:47:34 -0400
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Happy, Joyous and Freewheeling had a demo of EveryAction a while back, but
we aren't established enough to either need something this sophisticated,
or justify the expense. I was very impressed with the level of integration
between modules, the way ride participants could set up their own donation
pages, and the way the contacts database will show you the number of FB
 friends your contacts have.  The rep. I dealt with was willing to cut a
very reasonable deal for the first year because we are a start-up. I talked
to Nathan Moore NMoore(a)everyaction.com , but I'm not certain he is still
there.  Worth checking out.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, sheldon mains <sheldon(a)spokesconnect.org>
wrote:

> More details:
>
> Thanks for all the great responses so far. I=E2=80=99ll provide a few more =
details
> about our requirements;
>
> Cloud based. Not custom designed by one individual. The organization does
> NOT have an in-house techie (in my mind, this rules out Civic CRM and
> Drupal but feel free to argue about that). Needs to include pretty complete
> customer relationship management tool
>
> HERE ARE THE RESULTS SO FAR:
>
> NationBuilder is still in the running but it does not track volunteer
> hours.  Unclear if it has good/flexible reporting for client outcomes. (If
> we use it, we=E2=80=99d probably use a combination of that with Volgistics)=
  Very
> good at tracking members/donors
>
> Volgistics is great for volunteers but doesn=E2=80=99t seem to do a good jo=
b on
> the other things (again, feel free to argue with me on that)
>
> PowerBase=E2=80=94(Progressive Technology Project=E2=80=99s implementation =
of CivicCRM for
> advocacy) is still in the running but it does not track volunteer hours.
> Unclear if it has good/flexible reporting for client outcomes. (If we use
> it, we=E2=80=99d probably use a combination of that with Volgistics)
>
> ClientTrack  =E2=80=94 appears to be great at client tracking and reporting=
.  Not
> so good at Donor and volunteer management. Is not a CRM (Customer
> Relationship Management) database.
>
> Community Bike Shop DB--Good at volunteers and members. No events/class
> management.  No customer relationship management.  (feel free to correct
> me if I'm wrong)
> FreeHub---Good at volunteers and members. No events/class management.  No
> customer relationship management. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
>
> SalesForce: Very high implementation costs=E2=80=94 over $10,000 to do it r=
ight.
> I've talked to organizations that tried to do it on their own with
> volunteers-- unless the volunteer knows and has worked with SalesForce,
> there seems to be a high failure rate.  Very customizable (hence the high
> start-up cost). Anyone know a community bike center that is using it?
>
> TheDataBank--So far, most complete option=E2=80=94 but ongoing price could =
be an
> issue
>
> Still collecting information on these and other options.
>
> ANYONE USING ANY OF THESE: Would like your comments:
>
> PowerBase
> EveryAction
> Frontstream Online (was Giftworks)
> ResultsPlus
> Little Green Machine
> theDataBank
> Salsa
> CitySoft Community Enterprise
> ..............
> Sheldon Mains
> SPOKES Bike Walk Connect program of Cycles for Change
> www.SpokesConnect.org  www.fb.com/SpokesConnect
> Minneapolis, MN 612/618-7149
> Three ways to donate to SPOKES:
> 1. Volunteer.  2. Donate repairable used bikes. 3. Financial donations
> always welcome. Check www.SpokesConnect.org for details.
>
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