From bici.uanl@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 17:52:24 2017 From: Tigre Bici To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 19:52:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6484507572079531945==" --===============6484507572079531945== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello you'all! Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days of may and all June. Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other countries so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. We'll appreciate any info. Thanks ¡Que siga el pedal! -TigreBici --===============6484507572079531945== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+SGVsbG8geW91JiMzOTthbGwhPGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj5PdXIg bWFpbiBtZWNoYW5pYyBpcyB0cmF2ZWxpbmcgb24gdmFjYXRpb24gdG8gRXVyb3BlIG9uIHRlaCBs YXN0IGRheXMgb2YgbWF5IGFuZCBhbGwgSnVuZS7CoDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+QXJyaXZpbmcgdG8gQW1z dGVyZGFtIGFuZCBiaWtlIHRyYXZlbGxpbmcgdHJvdWdoIEdlcm1hbnkgYW5kIG90aGVyIGNvdW50 cmllcyBzbyBpcyB0aGVyZSBhbnlvbmUgdGhhdCBjYW4gcHJvdmlkZSB3aXRoIHNvbWUgaW5mbyBv biB3aGVyZSB0byBnZXQgYSBiaWtlL2Jpa2UgcGF0aHMgYW5kIG9jYXNzaW9uYWwgbWVjaGFuaWMg am9icyB0byBnZXQgc29tZSBtb25leS9mb29kLjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+V2Um IzM5O2xsIGFwcHJlY2lhdGUgYW55IGluZm8uPC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj5UaGFu a3M8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PsKhUXVlIHNpZ2EgZWwgcGVkYWwhPC9kaXY+PGRp dj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj4tVGlncmVCaWNpPC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+Cg== --===============6484507572079531945==-- From 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 18:42:06 2017 From: General Manager <3rdwardbikes@gmail.com> To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:42:05 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9181774044400229596==" --===============9181774044400229596== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Look into the Velo routes. On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: Hello you'all! Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days of may and all June. Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other countries so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. We'll appreciate any info. Thanks ¡Que siga el pedal! -TigreBici ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list --===============9181774044400229596== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPjxkaXY+TG9vayBpbnRvIHRoZSBWZWxvIHJvdXRlcy48YnI+PGRpdiBj bGFzcz0iZ21haWxfZXh0cmEiPjxicj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9xdW90ZSI+T24gSmFuIDMx LCAyMDE3IDc6NTIgUE0sICZxdW90O1RpZ3JlIEJpY2kmcXVvdDsgJmx0OzxhIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0 bzpiaWNpLnVhbmxAZ21haWwuY29tIj5iaWNpLnVhbmxAZ21haWwuY29tPC9hPiZndDsgd3JvdGU6 PGJyIHR5cGU9ImF0dHJpYnV0aW9uIj48YmxvY2txdW90ZSBjbGFzcz0icXVvdGUiIHN0eWxlPSJt YXJnaW46MCAwIDAgLjhleDtib3JkZXItbGVmdDoxcHggI2NjYyBzb2xpZDtwYWRkaW5nLWxlZnQ6 MWV4Ij48ZGl2IGRpcj0ibHRyIj5IZWxsbyB5b3UmIzM5O2FsbCE8ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2 Pk91ciBtYWluIG1lY2hhbmljIGlzIHRyYXZlbGluZyBvbiB2YWNhdGlvbiB0byBFdXJvcGUgb24g dGVoIGxhc3QgZGF5cyBvZiBtYXkgYW5kIGFsbCBKdW5lLsKgPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5BcnJpdmluZyB0 byBBbXN0ZXJkYW0gYW5kIGJpa2UgdHJhdmVsbGluZyB0cm91Z2ggR2VybWFueSBhbmQgb3RoZXIg Y291bnRyaWVzIHNvIGlzIHRoZXJlIGFueW9uZSB0aGF0IGNhbiBwcm92aWRlIHdpdGggc29tZSBp bmZvIG9uIHdoZXJlIHRvIGdldCBhIGJpa2UvYmlrZSBwYXRocyBhbmQgb2Nhc3Npb25hbCBtZWNo YW5pYyBqb2JzIHRvIGdldCBzb21lIG1vbmV5L2Zvb2QuPC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRp dj5XZSYjMzk7bGwgYXBwcmVjaWF0ZSBhbnkgaW5mby48L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2 PlRoYW5rczwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+wqFRdWUgc2lnYSBlbCBwZWRhbCE8L2Rp dj48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pi1UaWdyZUJpY2k8L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj4KPGJyPl9fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXzx3YnI+X19fX19fPGJyPgo8YnI+ClRoZSBUaGlua1Rhbmsg bWFpbGluZyBMaXN0PGJyPgombHQ7YSBocmVmPSZxdW90OzxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5i aWtlY29sbGVjdGl2ZXMub3JnL29wdGlvbnMuY2dpL3RoZXRoaW5rdGFuay1iaWtlY29sbGVjdGl2 ZXMub3JnIiByZWw9Im5vcmVmZXJyZXIiIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuPHdi cj5iaWtlY29sbGVjdGl2ZXMub3JnL29wdGlvbnMuPHdicj5jZ2kvdGhldGhpbmt0YW5rLTx3YnI+ YmlrZWNvbGxlY3RpdmVzLm9yZzwvYT4mcXVvdDsmZ3Q7PHdicj5VbnN1YnNjcmliZSBmcm9tIHRo aXMgbGlzdCZsdDsvYSZndDs8YnI+Cjxicj4KPGJyPjwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT48L2Rpdj48YnI+PC9k aXY+PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+Cg== --===============9181774044400229596==-- From oneillkza@gmail.com Wed Feb 1 00:10:29 2017 From: Kieran O'Neill To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 00:10:27 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3835928402171468416==" --===============3835928402171468416== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the wiki: https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DDoe-het-zelf_Werkplaats https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DCommunity_Bicycle_Orga= nizations#Germany I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Look into the Velo routes. > > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: > > Hello you'all! > > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days of may > and all June. > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other countries > so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a > bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. > > We'll appreciate any info. > > Thanks > > =C2=A1Que siga el pedal! > > -TigreBici > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecolle= ctives.org">Unsubscribe > from this list > > > > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecolle= ctives.org">Unsubscribe > from this list > > --===============3835928402171468416==-- From clairegro@aol.com Wed Feb 1 00:17:39 2017 From: claire grover To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:17:33 +0100 Message-ID: <0FE3F5B4-E455-43D3-A04C-81B6AA5A796C@aol.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8238215555748820663==" --===============8238215555748820663== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In France : http://velorution.org/ Claire Grover Paris Le 1 f=C3=A9vr. 2017 =C3=A0 09:10, Kieran O'Neill a = =C3=A9crit : > It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the wik= i: >=20 > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DDoe-het-zelf_Werkpla= ats > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DCommunity_Bicycle_Or= ganizations#Germany >=20 > I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen > came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most > community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching > "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. >=20 > On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> wro= te: >> Look into the Velo routes. >>=20 >> On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: >>=20 >> Hello you'all! >>=20 >> Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days of m= ay >> and all June. >> Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other countri= es >> so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a >> bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. >>=20 >> We'll appreciate any info. >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >> =C2=A1Que siga el pedal! >>=20 >> -TigreBici >>=20 >> ____________________________________ >>=20 >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecoll= ectives.org">Unsubscribe >> from this list >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ____________________________________ >>=20 >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecoll= ectives.org">Unsubscribe >> from this list >>=20 >>=20 > ____________________________________ >=20 > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list >=20 --===============8238215555748820663==-- From bici.uanl@gmail.com Wed Feb 1 07:41:07 2017 From: Tigre Bici To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:41:03 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2915367336598247713==" --===============2915367336598247713== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks both! Hugs Kieran! We will look into that. R. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:10 AM, Kieran O'Neill wrote: > It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the > wiki: > > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Doe- > het-zelf_Werkplaats > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_ > Organizations#Germany > > I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen > came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most > community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching > "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. > > On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Look into the Velo routes. > > > > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: > > > > Hello you'all! > > > > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days of > may > > and all June. > > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other > countries > > so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a > > bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. > > > > We'll appreciate any info. > > > > Thanks > > > > ¡Que siga el pedal! > > > > -TigreBici > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe > > from this list > > > > > > > > > > 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I am from Bratislava, Slovakia, where we can warmly welcome you for sure, just write me. There are some community workshops around too - vienna, graz, budapest,... Dan Cyklokuchyna On 1 February 2017 at 16:41, Tigre Bici wrote: > Thanks both! > Hugs Kieran! > We will look into that. > > R. > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:10 AM, Kieran O'Neill > wrote: > >> It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the >> wiki: >> >> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Doe-het >> -zelf_Werkplaats >> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Communi >> ty_Bicycle_Organizations#Germany >> >> I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen >> came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most >> community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching >> "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. >> >> On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Look into the Velo routes. >> > >> > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: >> > >> > Hello you'all! >> > >> > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days >> of may >> > and all June. >> > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other >> countries >> > so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a >> > bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. >> > >> > We'll appreciate any info. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > ¡Que siga el pedal! >> > >> > -TigreBici >> > >> > ____________________________________ >> > >> > The ThinkTank mailing List >> > > > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/ >> thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe >> > 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I'll be there soon. > On Feb 1, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Dan Koll=C3=A1r wrote: >=20 > Hello, > exactly, try to google bike kitchens. I am from Bratislava, Slovakia, where= we can warmly welcome you for sure, just write me. There are some community = workshops around too - vienna, graz, budapest,... >=20 > Dan > Cyklokuchyna >=20 >> On 1 February 2017 at 16:41, Tigre Bici wrote: >> Thanks both! >> Hugs Kieran! >> We will look into that. >>=20 >> R. >>=20 >>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:10 AM, Kieran O'Neill wr= ote: >>> It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the w= iki: >>>=20 >>> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DDoe-het-zelf_Werkp= laats >>> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DCommunity_Bicycle_= Organizations#Germany >>>=20 >>> I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen >>> came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most >>> community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching >>> "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. >>>=20 >>> On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> w= rote: >>> > Look into the Velo routes. >>> > >>> > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello you'all! >>> > >>> > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days o= f may >>> > and all June. >>> > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other coun= tries >>> > so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a >>> > bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. >>> > >>> > We'll appreciate any info. >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > =C2=A1Que siga el pedal! >>> > >>> > -TigreBici >>> > >>> > ____________________________________ >>> > >>> > The ThinkTank mailing List >>> > >> > href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikec= 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We are really interested on making everybody feel welcome, there are lots of people from other countries visiting our shop , so we are looking for a sign that does not include words ^..^_ Thank you so much for your help Patricia --===============8715468030038858828== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+PGRpdj48ZGl2PjxkaXY+PGRpdj5IaSBUaGVyZSw8YnI+PGJyPjwvZGl2 PkRvIHlvdSBoYXZlIGFueSB3ZWxjb21pbmcgc2lnbnMgdGhhdCB3ZSBjYW4gdXNlIGF0IG91ciBi aWtlIHNob3A/PGJyPjxicj48L2Rpdj5XZSBhcmUgcmVhbGx5IGludGVyZXN0ZWQgb24gbWFraW5n IGV2ZXJ5Ym9keSBmZWVsIHdlbGNvbWUsIHRoZXJlIGFyZSBsb3RzIG9mIHBlb3BsZSBmcm9tIG90 aGVyIGNvdW50cmllcyB2aXNpdGluZyBvdXIgc2hvcCAsIHNvIHdlIGFyZSBsb29raW5nIGZvciBh IHNpZ24gdGhhdCBkb2VzIG5vdCBpbmNsdWRlIHdvcmRzIF4uLl5fPGJyPjxicj48L2Rpdj5UaGFu ayB5b3Ugc28gbXVjaCBmb3IgeW91ciBoZWxwPGJyPjxicj48L2Rpdj5QYXRyaWNpYTxicj48L2Rp dj4K --===============8715468030038858828==-- From bizlooptyltd@gmail.com Wed Feb 1 23:02:22 2017 From: Geoffrey Smart To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 125, Issue 1 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:02:20 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3Cmailman=2E0=2E1485983548=2E19680=2Ethethinktank-bi?= =?utf-8?q?kecollectives=2Eorg=40lists=2Ebikecollectives=2Eorg=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5241808245113611589==" --===============5241808245113611589== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Euro Velo bike paths which were financed by the EU are great. Eurovelo 15 follows the Rhine Just google and there is a whole website and even downloads for Ride with GPS etc On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:12 AM, < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Europe bike support (Tigre Bici) > 2. Re: Europe bike support (General Manager) > 3. Re: Europe bike support (Kieran O'Neill) > 4. Re: Europe bike support (claire grover) > 5. Re: Europe bike support (Tigre Bici) > 6. Re: Europe bike support (Dan Koll?r) > 7. Re: Europe bike support (sarah.fiorito(a)gmail.com) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tigre Bici > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 19:52:22 -0600 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support > Hello you'all! > > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days of > may and all June. > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other > countries so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to > get a bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. > > We'll appreciate any info. > > Thanks > > ¡Que siga el pedal! > > -TigreBici > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:42:05 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support > Look into the Velo routes. > > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: > > Hello you'all! > > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days of > may and all June. > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other > countries so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to > get a bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. > > We'll appreciate any info. > > Thanks > > ¡Que siga el pedal! > > -TigreBici > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Kieran O'Neill" > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 00:10:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support > It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the > wiki: > > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Doe- > het-zelf_Werkplaats > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_ > Organizations#Germany > > I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen > came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most > community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching > "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. > > On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Look into the Velo routes. > > > > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: > > > > Hello you'all! > > > > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days of > may > > and all June. > > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other > countries > > so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a > > bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. > > > > We'll appreciate any info. > > > > Thanks > > > > ¡Que siga el pedal! > > > > -TigreBici > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe > > from this list > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe > > from this list > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: claire grover > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 09:17:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support > In France : http://velorution.org/ > > Claire Grover > Paris > > Le 1 févr. 2017 à 09:10, Kieran O'Neill a écrit : > > > It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the > wiki: > > > > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Doe- > het-zelf_Werkplaats > > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_ > Organizations#Germany > > > > I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen > > came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most > > community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching > > "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. > > > > On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Look into the Velo routes. > >> > >> On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: > >> > >> Hello you'all! > >> > >> Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days > of may > >> and all June. > >> Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other > countries > >> so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a > >> bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. > >> > >> We'll appreciate any info. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> ¡Que siga el pedal! > >> > >> -TigreBici > >> > >> ____________________________________ > >> > >> The ThinkTank mailing List > >> >> href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe > >> from this list > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________ > >> > >> The ThinkTank mailing List > >> >> href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe > >> from this list > >> > >> > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tigre Bici > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 09:41:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support > Thanks both! > Hugs Kieran! > We will look into that. > > R. > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:10 AM, Kieran O'Neill > wrote: > >> It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the >> wiki: >> >> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Doe-het >> -zelf_Werkplaats >> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Communi >> ty_Bicycle_Organizations#Germany >> >> I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen >> came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most >> community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching >> "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. >> >> On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Look into the Velo routes. >> > >> > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: >> > >> > Hello you'all! >> > >> > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days >> of may >> > and all June. >> > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other >> countries >> > so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a >> > bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. >> > >> > We'll appreciate any info. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > ¡Que siga el pedal! >> > >> > -TigreBici >> > >> > ____________________________________ >> > >> > The ThinkTank mailing List >> > > > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/ >> thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe >> > from this list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________ >> > >> > The ThinkTank mailing List >> > > > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/ >> thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe >> > from this list >> > >> > >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Dan Kollár" > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 17:04:06 +0100 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support > Hello, > exactly, try to google bike kitchens. I am from Bratislava, Slovakia, > where we can warmly welcome you for sure, just write me. There are some > community workshops around too - vienna, graz, budapest,... > > Dan > Cyklokuchyna > > On 1 February 2017 at 16:41, Tigre Bici wrote: > >> Thanks both! >> Hugs Kieran! >> We will look into that. >> >> R. >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:10 AM, Kieran O'Neill >> wrote: >> >>> It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the >>> wiki: >>> >>> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Doe-het >>> -zelf_Werkplaats >>> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Communi >>> ty_Bicycle_Organizations#Germany >>> >>> I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen >>> came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most >>> community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching >>> "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. >>> >>> On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Look into the Velo routes. >>> > >>> > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello you'all! >>> > >>> > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days >>> of may >>> > and all June. >>> > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other >>> countries >>> > so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a >>> > bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. >>> > >>> > We'll appreciate any info. >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > ¡Que siga el pedal! >>> > >>> > -TigreBici >>> > >>> > ____________________________________ >>> > >>> > The ThinkTank mailing List >>> > >> > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinkt >>> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe >>> > from this list >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ____________________________________ >>> > >>> > The ThinkTank mailing List >>> > >> > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinkt >>> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe >>> > from this list >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> Unsubscribe from this list >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > > > -- > Dan Kollár > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: sarah.fiorito(a)gmail.com > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 18:58:30 +0200 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support > Any shops in Berlin and Prague in specific? I'll be there soon. > > > On Feb 1, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Dan Kollár wrote: > > Hello, > exactly, try to google bike kitchens. I am from Bratislava, Slovakia, > where we can warmly welcome you for sure, just write me. There are some > community workshops around too - vienna, graz, budapest,... > > Dan > Cyklokuchyna > > On 1 February 2017 at 16:41, Tigre Bici wrote: > >> Thanks both! >> Hugs Kieran! >> We will look into that. >> >> R. >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:10 AM, Kieran O'Neill >> wrote: >> >>> It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on the >>> wiki: >>> >>> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Doe-het >>> -zelf_Werkplaats >>> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Communi >>> ty_Bicycle_Organizations#Germany >>> >>> I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen >>> came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most >>> community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching >>> "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. >>> >>> On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Look into the Velo routes. >>> > >>> > On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello you'all! >>> > >>> > Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days >>> of may >>> > and all June. >>> > Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other >>> countries >>> > so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a >>> > bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. >>> > >>> > We'll appreciate any info. >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > ¡Que siga el pedal! >>> > >>> > -TigreBici >>> > >>> > ____________________________________ >>> > >>> > The ThinkTank mailing List >>> > >> > href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinkt >>> 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multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1495017167311188951==" --===============1495017167311188951== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are planning to use Salesforce non profit Success for CRM and other things. anyone have advice for a smooth integration and implementation? We have a pro bono consultant working with us to help with all the details. It can't be all that bad, right? Tom Martin Rosewood Bikes Program Director 16126 SE Stark Portland OR, 97233 Shop: 503-568-1938 Personal: 510-996-8655 --===============1495017167311188951== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfZGVmYXVsdCIgc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtZmFt aWx5OnRhaG9tYSxzYW5zLXNlcmlmO2ZvbnQtc2l6ZTpzbWFsbCI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxf ZGVmYXVsdCI+V2UgYXJlIHBsYW5uaW5nIHRvIHVzZSBTYWxlc2ZvcmNlIG5vbiBwcm9maXQgU3Vj Y2VzcyBmb3IgQ1JNIGFuZCBvdGhlciB0aGluZ3MuIGFueW9uZSBoYXZlIGFkdmljZSBmb3IgYSBz bW9vdGggaW50ZWdyYXRpb24gYW5kIGltcGxlbWVudGF0aW9uPyBXZSBoYXZlIGEgcHJvIGJvbm8g Y29uc3VsdGFudCB3b3JraW5nIHdpdGggdXMgdG8gaGVscCB3aXRoIGFsbCB0aGUgZGV0YWlscy7C oDwvZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX2RlZmF1bHQiPkl0IGNhbiYjMzk7dCBiZSBhbGwgdGhh dCBiYWQsIHJpZ2h0P8KgPC9kaXY+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfZGVmYXVsdCI+PGJyPjwvZGl2 PjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfc2lnbmF0dXJlIj48ZGl2IGRpcj0ibHRyIj48 ZGl2PjxkaXY+VG9tIE1hcnRpbjwvZGl2PjxkaXYgZGlyPSJsdHIiPlJvc2V3b29kIEJpa2VzPGRp dj5Qcm9ncmFtIERpcmVjdG9yPC9kaXY+PGRpdj4xNjEyNiBTRSBTdGFya8KgPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5Q b3J0bGFuZCBPUiwgOTcyMzM8L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlNob3A6IDUwMy01NjgtMTkzODwvZGl2PjxkaXY+ UGVyc29uYWw6IDUxMC05OTYtODY1NTwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2 Pgo8L2Rpdj4K --===============1495017167311188951==-- From jack@bikewalkwichita.org Fri Feb 3 09:27:15 2017 From: jack To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] SalesForce for non profits Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 11:27:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1260330213366614830==" --===============1260330213366614830== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We use it and appreciate its power. A bit confusing for database newbies but = once you get the SF way of doing things smooth sailing. Love the Mailchimp in= tegration, still looking for PayPal integration (free). Flexible, we use it t= o track volunteer hours, using notes field we track earn a bike credits. Not = perfect but free.=C2=A0 Jack Murphy=C2=A0 Bike Walk Wichita=C2=A0
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From: Tom Martin
Date:02/02/2017 10:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
= To: The Think Tank
Subj= ect: [TheThinkTank] SalesForce for non profits
We are planning to use Salesforce non profit Success for CRM and other = things. anyone have advice for a smooth integration and implementation? We ha= ve a pro bono consultant working with us to help with all the details.=20 It can't be all that bad, right?=20 Tom Martin Rosewood Bikes Program Director 16126 SE Stark=20 Portland OR, 97233 Shop: 503-568-1938 Personal: 510-996-8655 --===============1260330213366614830== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0iQ29udGVudC1UeXBlIiBjb250ZW50PSJ0ZXh0 L2h0bWw7IGNoYXJzZXQ9VVRGLTgiPjwvaGVhZD48Ym9keSA+V2UgdXNlIGl0IGFuZCBhcHByZWNp YXRlIGl0cyBwb3dlci4gQSBiaXQgY29uZnVzaW5nIGZvciBkYXRhYmFzZSBuZXdiaWVzIGJ1dCBv bmNlIHlvdSBnZXQgdGhlIFNGIHdheSBvZiBkb2luZyB0aGluZ3Mgc21vb3RoIHNhaWxpbmcuIExv dmUgdGhlIE1haWxjaGltcCBpbnRlZ3JhdGlvbiwgc3RpbGwgbG9va2luZyBmb3IgUGF5UGFsIGlu dGVncmF0aW9uIChmcmVlKS4gRmxleGlibGUsIHdlIHVzZSBpdCB0byB0cmFjayB2b2x1bnRlZXIg aG91cnMsIHVzaW5nIG5vdGVzIGZpZWxkIHdlIHRyYWNrIGVhcm4gYSBiaWtlIGNyZWRpdHMuIE5v dCBwZXJmZWN0IGJ1dCBmcmVlLiZuYnNwOzxkaXY+SmFjayBNdXJwaHkmbmJzcDs8L2Rpdj48ZGl2 PkJpa2UgV2FsayBXaWNoaXRhJm5ic3A7PC9kaXY+PGJyPjxicj48YnI+PGJyPjxkaXY+LS0tLS0t LS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgbWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLS0tLTwvZGl2PjxkaXY+RnJvbTogVG9tIE1hcnRpbiA8 dG9tQHJvc2V3b29kYmlrZXMub3JnPiA8L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkRhdGU6MDIvMDIvMjAxNyAgMTA6MTcg UE0gIChHTVQtMDY6MDApIDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+VG86IFRoZSBUaGluayBUYW5rIDx0aGV0aGlua3Rh bmtAbGlzdHMuYmlrZWNvbGxlY3RpdmVzLm9yZz4gPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5TdWJqZWN0OiBbVGhlVGhp bmtUYW5rXSBTYWxlc0ZvcmNlIGZvciBub24gcHJvZml0cyA8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48 ZGl2IGRpcj0ibHRyIj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9kZWZhdWx0IiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1mYW1p bHk6dGFob21hLHNhbnMtc2VyaWY7Zm9udC1zaXplOnNtYWxsIj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9k ZWZhdWx0Ij5XZSBhcmUgcGxhbm5pbmcgdG8gdXNlIFNhbGVzZm9yY2Ugbm9uIHByb2ZpdCBTdWNj ZXNzIGZvciBDUk0gYW5kIG90aGVyIHRoaW5ncy4gYW55b25lIGhhdmUgYWR2aWNlIGZvciBhIHNt b290aCBpbnRlZ3JhdGlvbiBhbmQgaW1wbGVtZW50YXRpb24/IFdlIGhhdmUgYSBwcm8gYm9ubyBj b25zdWx0YW50IHdvcmtpbmcgd2l0aCB1cyB0byBoZWxwIHdpdGggYWxsIHRoZSBkZXRhaWxzLiZu YnNwOzwvZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX2RlZmF1bHQiPkl0IGNhbid0IGJlIGFsbCB0aGF0 IGJhZCwgcmlnaHQ/Jm5ic3A7PC9kaXY+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfZGVmYXVsdCI+PGJyPjwv ZGl2PjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfc2lnbmF0dXJlIj48ZGl2IGRpcj0ibHRy Ij48ZGl2PjxkaXY+VG9tIE1hcnRpbjwvZGl2PjxkaXYgZGlyPSJsdHIiPlJvc2V3b29kIEJpa2Vz PGRpdj5Qcm9ncmFtIERpcmVjdG9yPC9kaXY+PGRpdj4xNjEyNiBTRSBTdGFyayZuYnNwOzwvZGl2 PjxkaXY+UG9ydGxhbmQgT1IsIDk3MjMzPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5TaG9wOiA1MDMtNTY4LTE5Mzg8L2Rp dj48ZGl2PlBlcnNvbmFsOiA1MTAtOTk2LTg2NTU8L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj48L2Rp dj48L2Rpdj4KPC9kaXY+CjwvYm9keT4= --===============1260330213366614830==-- From jfcaron3@gmail.com Fri Feb 3 11:48:45 2017 From: =?utf-8?q?Jean-Fran=C3=A7ois?= Caron To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] SalesForce for non profits Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 13:49:01 -0600 Message-ID: <0F8AB4E0-4294-41D4-88A6-E8D2770C82CB@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7126002043062190811==" --===============7126002043062190811== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the AMS Bike Co-op/Bike Kitchen we started using CiviCRM a while ago, whic= h is like Salesforce but targetted at non-profits. The city bike advocacy or= ganization (HUB cycling) was already using it too. Unfortunately it's quite overkill for a small organization, and though it's F= ree and Open Source, we had to rely on outside developers to get things worki= ng, so it was still expensive. You'll have to ask the people currently invol= ved (moved away a year ago), but IIRC it was functional and useful, but defin= itely expensive for what you get. Jean-Fran=C3=A7ois > On Feb 3, 2017, at 11:27 , jack wrote: >=20 > We use it and appreciate its power. A bit confusing for database newbies bu= t once you get the SF way of doing things smooth sailing. Love the Mailchimp = integration, still looking for PayPal integration (free). Flexible, we use it= to track volunteer hours, using notes field we track earn a bike credits. No= t perfect but free.=20 > Jack Murphy=20 > Bike Walk Wichita=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------- Original message -------- > From: Tom Martin > Date:02/02/2017 10:17 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: The Think Tank > Subject: [TheThinkTank] SalesForce for non profits >=20 > We are planning to use Salesforce non profit Success for CRM and other thin= gs. anyone have advice for a smooth integration and implementation? We have a= pro bono consultant working with us to help with all the details.=20 > It can't be all that bad, right?=20 >=20 > Tom Martin > Rosewood Bikes > Program Director > 16126 SE Stark=20 > Portland OR, 97233 > Shop: 503-568-1938 > Personal: 510-996-8655 > ____________________________________ >=20 > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list >=20 --===============7126002043062190811== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0iQ29udGVudC1UeXBlIiBjb250ZW50PSJ0ZXh0 L2h0bWwgY2hhcnNldD11dGYtOCI+PC9oZWFkPjxib2R5IHN0eWxlPSJ3b3JkLXdyYXA6IGJyZWFr LXdvcmQ7IC13ZWJraXQtbmJzcC1tb2RlOiBzcGFjZTsgLXdlYmtpdC1saW5lLWJyZWFrOiBhZnRl ci13aGl0ZS1zcGFjZTsiIGNsYXNzPSIiPkF0IHRoZSBBTVMgQmlrZSBDby1vcC9CaWtlIEtpdGNo ZW4gd2Ugc3RhcnRlZCB1c2luZyBDaXZpQ1JNIGEgd2hpbGUgYWdvLCB3aGljaCBpcyBsaWtlIFNh 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I for one am interested in hearing more from Matthew at the Recyclerly as to how Vtracklery 2.0 is coming along (if at all) as it seems like a prime solution to meet needs and opportunities that we have at the Bozeman Bike Kitchen. Thanks, Sam On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Matthew McMunn wrote: > The Recyclery has just started working on a software project that you > might be interested in. Check out the link to a grant proposal we just > submitted: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Ydw0IHFwAwZjFaTnlYRGNQUnc/ > view?usp=sharing We are using open source code to build our new > "VTracklery 2.0"system, so anyone can us it and add on to it for free. We > will be rolling it out late 2017. > Matthew > > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM Jonathan Morrison < > jonathan(a)bicyclecollective.org> wrote: > >> Has anyone been using (https://civicrm.org/) or would they recommend a >> different software package? >> >> -Jonathan >> >> >> --===============7099707010699767772== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+V2l0aCB0aGUgbmV3bHkgcG9zdGVkIHF1ZXN0aW9uIHJlZ2FyZGluZyBT YWxlc0ZvcmNlIEkgdGhvdWdodCBJIHdvdWxkIGRyZWRnZSB1cCB0aGlzIGNvbnZlcnNhdGlvbiBm cm9tIGxhdGUgMjAxNiB0aGF0IGRpc2N1c3NlZCBib3RoIENpdmlDUk0gYXMgd2VsbCBhcyBWdHJh Y2tsZXJ5LsKgIEkgZm9yIG9uZSBhbSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluIGhlYXJpbmcgbW9yZSBmcm9tIE1h dHRoZXcgYXQgdGhlIFJlY3ljbGVybHkgYXMgdG8gaG93IFZ0cmFja2xlcnkgMi4wIGlzIGNvbWlu ZyBhbG9uZyAoaWYgYXQgYWxsKSBhcyBpdCBzZWVtcyBsaWtlIGEgcHJpbWUgc29sdXRpb24gdG8g bWVldCBuZWVkcyBhbmQgb3Bwb3J0dW5pdGllcyB0aGF0IHdlIGhhdmUgYXQgdGhlIEJvemVtYW4g QmlrZSBLaXRjaGVuLiDCoDxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+VGhhbmtzLDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+U2Ft PGJyPjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX2V4dHJhIj48YnI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfcXVvdGUi Pk9uIFN1biwgT2N0IDIzLCAyMDE2IGF0IDQ6MTYgUE0sIE1hdHRoZXcgTWNNdW5uIDxzcGFuIGRp cj0ibHRyIj4mbHQ7PGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOm1hdHRoZXdAdGhlcmVjeWNsZXJ5Lm9yZyIgdGFy Z2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPm1hdHRoZXdAdGhlcmVjeWNsZXJ5Lm9yZzwvYT4mZ3Q7PC9zcGFuPiB3cm90 ZTo8YnI+PGJsb2NrcXVvdGUgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIiBzdHlsZT0ibWFyZ2luOjAgMCAw IC44ZXg7Ym9yZGVyLWxlZnQ6MXB4ICNjY2Mgc29saWQ7cGFkZGluZy1sZWZ0OjFleCI+PGRpdiBk aXI9Imx0ciI+VGhlIFJlY3ljbGVyeSBoYXMganVzdCBzdGFydGVkIHdvcmtpbmcgb24gYSBzb2Z0 d2FyZSBwcm9qZWN0IHRoYXQgeW91IG1pZ2h0IGJlIGludGVyZXN0ZWQgaW4uIENoZWNrIG91dCB0 aGUgbGluayB0byBhIGdyYW50IHByb3Bvc2FsIHdlIGp1c3Qgc3VibWl0dGVkOsKgPGEgaHJlZj0i aHR0cHM6Ly9kcml2ZS5nb29nbGUuY29tL2ZpbGUvZC8wQi1ZZHcwSUhGd0F3WmpGYVRubFlSR05R VW5jL3ZpZXc/dXNwPXNoYXJpbmciIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwczovL2RyaXZlLjx3YnI+ Z29vZ2xlLmNvbS9maWxlL2QvMEItPHdicj5ZZHcwSUhGd0F3WmpGYVRubFlSR05RVW5jLzx3YnI+ dmlldz91c3A9c2hhcmluZzwvYT7CoFdlIGFyZSB1c2luZyBvcGVuIHNvdXJjZSBjb2RlIHRvIGJ1 aWxkIG91ciBuZXcgJnF1b3Q7VlRyYWNrbGVyeSAyLjAmcXVvdDtzeXN0ZW0sIHNvIGFueW9uZSBj YW4gdXMgaXQgYW5kIGFkZCBvbiB0byBpdCBmb3IgZnJlZS4gV2Ugd2lsbCBiZSByb2xsaW5nIGl0 IG91dCBsYXRlIDIwMTcuPGRpdj5NYXR0aGV3PGJyPjxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPjxk aXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIj48c3BhbiBjbGFzcz0iIj48ZGl2IGRpcj0ibHRyIj5PbiBT YXQsIE9jdCAxNSwgMjAxNiBhdCA2OjEzIFBNIEpvbmF0aGFuIE1vcnJpc29uICZsdDs8YSBocmVm PSJtYWlsdG86am9uYXRoYW5AYmljeWNsZWNvbGxlY3RpdmUub3JnIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+ am9uYXRoYW5AYmljeWNsZWNvbGxlY3RpdmUuPHdicj5vcmc8L2E+Jmd0OyB3cm90ZTo8YnI+PC9k aXY+PC9zcGFuPjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9xdW90ZSIgc3R5bGU9Im1hcmdpbjow IDAgMCAuOGV4O2JvcmRlci1sZWZ0OjFweCAjY2NjIHNvbGlkO3BhZGRpbmctbGVmdDoxZXgiPjxz cGFuIGNsYXNzPSIiPjxkaXYgZGlyPSJsdHIiIGNsYXNzPSJtXzE3ODAwNTA2OTA5NjQ0MzEzOTdn bWFpbF9tc2ciPjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9Im1fMTc4MDA1MDY5MDk2NDQzMTM5N2dtYWlsX21zZyI+SGFz IGFueW9uZSBiZWVuIHVzaW5nICg8YSBocmVmPSJodHRwczovL2Npdmljcm0ub3JnLyIgY2xhc3M9 Im1fMTc4MDA1MDY5MDk2NDQzMTM5N2dtYWlsX21zZyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHBzOi8v Y2l2aWNybS5vcmcvPC9hPikgb3Igd291bGQgdGhleSByZWNvbW1lbmQgYSBkaWZmZXJlbnQgc29m dHdhcmUgcGFja2FnZT88L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJtXzE3ODAwNTA2OTA5NjQ0MzEzOTdnbWFp bF9tc2ciPjxiciBjbGFzcz0ibV8xNzgwMDUwNjkwOTY0NDMxMzk3Z21haWxfbXNnIj48L2Rpdj48 ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJtXzE3ODAwNTA2OTA5NjQ0MzEzOTdnbWFpbF9tc2ciPi1Kb25hdGhhbjwvZGl2 PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9Im1fMTc4MDA1MDY5MDk2NDQzMTM5N2dtYWlsX21zZyI+PGJyIGNsYXNzPSJt XzE3ODAwNTA2OTA5NjQ0MzEzOTdnbWFpbF9tc2ciPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2Pjwvc3Bhbj48YnI+PC9i bG9ja3F1b3RlPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT48L2Rpdj48ZGl2 IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9zaWduYXR1cmUiIGRhdGEtc21hcnRtYWlsPSJnbWFpbF9zaWduYXR1cmUi PjwvZGl2Pgo8L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj4K --===============7099707010699767772==-- From CMalagodi@cabq.gov Fri Feb 3 13:23:52 2017 From: "Malagodi, Chuck H." To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Job Posting Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 21:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: <842501C922BA9C42A9E9A053C7AF835222774AF2@COAEX03.coa.cabq.lcl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6560778062973153473==" --===============6560778062973153473== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Contract for Safe Routes to School/Bicycle Educator Essential Duties and Accountabilities: Plan, schedule, perform, and evaluate Safe Routes to School/ bicycle programm= ing including but not limited to; Safe Walking programming, Bike Rodeos, Shar= e the Road presentations, Mountain Bike Skills programming, and Safety/Health= Fairs Provide technical assistance and conduct presentations to Albuquerque Public = Schools and community organizations concerning alternative means of transport= ation. Excellent presentation skills in front of large audience required Maintain general up-keep of City of Albuquerque owned bicycle safety equipmen= t and bikes. Provide business license and liability insurance. Have or be able to obtain the League of American Bicyclist LCI certification = within 6 months. Be available to work on call including odd hours, weekends and in extreme wea= ther conditions. Possess a valid NM driver=E2=80=99s license and be able to obtain a City of = Albuquerque Operator=E2=80=99s Permit. Contract amount not to exceed $38,000.00 /12 months Legal Compliance: This is a Federally Funded project. The contract shall comply with all applic= able federal, state and local laws, including, but not limited to laws govern= ing civil rights, equal opportunity compliance, environmental and cultural re= source requirements, work place safety, employer-employee relations, and all = other laws governing operation of the workplace, including laws and regulatio= ns hereafter enacted. The Contract shall be governed by the laws of the State= of New Mexico. Interviews will be held prior to selection. Please submit cover letter on how you are acquainted with the above duties, a= nd resume to, cmalagodi(a)cabq.gov. By noon on F= ebruary 15, 2017. Electronic submissions only, no mailed or faxed submissions= will be considered. 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Haraldson wrote: > With the newly posted question regarding SalesForce I thought I would=20 > dredge up this conversation from late 2016 that discussed both CiviCRM=20 > as well as Vtracklery. I for one am interested in hearing more from=20 > Matthew at the Recyclerly as to how Vtracklery 2.0 is coming along (if=20 > at all) as it seems like a prime solution to meet needs and=20 > opportunities that we have at the Bozeman Bike Kitchen. > > Thanks, > Sam > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Matthew McMunn=20 > > wrote: > > The Recyclery has just started working on a software project that > you might be interested in. Check out the link to a grant proposal > we just submitted: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Ydw0IHFwAwZjFaTnlYRGNQUnc/view?usp= =3Dsharing > We > are using open source code to build our new "VTracklery > 2.0"system, so anyone can us it and add on to it for free. 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consultant. I'm reasonably c= omputer literate but by no means an expert. Zero out of pocket cost, just a f= ew (?) hours of my time.=C2=A0
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From: Sam Haraldson
Date:02/03/2017 2:01 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: The Think Tank
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM
With the newly posted question regarding SalesForce I thought I would d= redge up this conversation from late 2016 that discussed both CiviCRM as well= as Vtracklery. I for one am interested in hearing more from Matthew at the = Recyclerly as to how Vtracklery 2.0 is coming along (if at all) as it seems l= ike a prime solution to meet needs and opportunities that we have at the Boze= man Bike Kitchen. =20 Thanks, Sam On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Matthew McMunn = wrote: The Recyclery has just started working on a software project that you might b= e interested in. Check out the link to a grant proposal we just submitted: ht= tps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Ydw0IHFwAwZjFaTnlYRGNQUnc/view?usp=3Dsharing= We are using open source code to build our new "VTracklery 2.0"system, so an= yone can us it and add on to it for free. We will be rolling it out late 2017. Matthew On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM Jonathan Morrison wrote: Has anyone been using (https://civicrm.org/) or would they recommend a differ= ent software package? -Jonathan --===============7235377643646309942== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0iQ29udGVudC1UeXBlIiBjb250ZW50PSJ0ZXh0 L2h0bWw7IGNoYXJzZXQ9VVRGLTgiPjwvaGVhZD48Ym9keSA+V2UgZ290IFNhbGVzZm9yY2UgdXAg YW5kIHJ1bm5pbmcgd2l0aCBubyBvdXRzaWRlIGNvbnN1bHRhbnQuIEknbSByZWFzb25hYmx5IGNv bXB1dGVyIGxpdGVyYXRlIGJ1dCBieSBubyBtZWFucyBhbiBleHBlcnQuIFplcm8gb3V0IG9mIHBv Y2tldCBjb3N0LCBqdXN0IGEgZmV3ICg/KSBob3VycyBvZiBteSB0aW1lLiZuYnNwOzxicj48YnI+ PGRpdj4tLS0tLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tLS0tPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5Gcm9tOiBT YW0gSGFyYWxkc29uIDxzYW1AYm96ZW1hbmJpa2VraXRjaGVuLm9yZz4gPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5EYXRl OjAyLzAzLzIwMTcgIDI6MDEgUE0gIChHTVQtMDY6MDApIDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+VG86IFRoZSBUaGlu ayBUYW5rIDx0aGV0aGlua3RhbmtAbGlzdHMuYmlrZWNvbGxlY3RpdmVzLm9yZz4gPC9kaXY+PGRp dj5TdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RoZVRoaW5rVGFua10gQ2l2aUNSTSA8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rp dj48ZGl2IGRpcj0ibHRyIj5XaXRoIHRoZSBuZXdseSBwb3N0ZWQgcXVlc3Rpb24gcmVnYXJkaW5n IFNhbGVzRm9yY2UgSSB0aG91Z2h0IEkgd291bGQgZHJlZGdlIHVwIHRoaXMgY29udmVyc2F0aW9u IGZyb20gbGF0ZSAyMDE2IHRoYXQgZGlzY3Vzc2VkIGJvdGggQ2l2aUNSTSBhcyB3ZWxsIGFzIFZ0 cmFja2xlcnkuJm5ic3A7IEkgZm9yIG9uZSBhbSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluIGhlYXJpbmcgbW9yZSBm cm9tIE1hdHRoZXcgYXQgdGhlIFJlY3ljbGVybHkgYXMgdG8gaG93IFZ0cmFja2xlcnkgMi4wIGlz IGNvbWluZyBhbG9uZyAoaWYgYXQgYWxsKSBhcyBpdCBzZWVtcyBsaWtlIGEgcHJpbWUgc29sdXRp b24gdG8gbWVldCBuZWVkcyBhbmQgb3Bwb3J0dW5pdGllcyB0aGF0IHdlIGhhdmUgYXQgdGhlIEJv emVtYW4gQmlrZSBLaXRjaGVuLiAmbmJzcDs8ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlRoYW5rcyw8L2Rp dj48ZGl2PlNhbTxicj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9leHRyYSI+PGJyPjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9Imdt YWlsX3F1b3RlIj5PbiBTdW4sIE9jdCAyMywgMjAxNiBhdCA0OjE2IFBNLCBNYXR0aGV3IE1jTXVu biA8c3BhbiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+Jmx0OzxhIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzptYXR0aGV3QHRoZXJlY3ljbGVy eS5vcmciIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5tYXR0aGV3QHRoZXJlY3ljbGVyeS5vcmc8L2E+Jmd0Ozwv c3Bhbj4gd3JvdGU6PGJyPjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9xdW90ZSIgc3R5bGU9Im1h cmdpbjowIDAgMCAuOGV4O2JvcmRlci1sZWZ0OjFweCAjY2NjIHNvbGlkO3BhZGRpbmctbGVmdDox ZXgiPjxkaXYgZGlyPSJsdHIiPlRoZSBSZWN5Y2xlcnkgaGFzIGp1c3Qgc3RhcnRlZCB3b3JraW5n IG9uIGEgc29mdHdhcmUgcHJvamVjdCB0aGF0IHlvdSBtaWdodCBiZSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluLiBD aGVjayBvdXQgdGhlIGxpbmsgdG8gYSBncmFudCBwcm9wb3NhbCB3ZSBqdXN0IHN1Ym1pdHRlZDom bmJzcDs8YSBocmVmPSJodHRwczovL2RyaXZlLmdvb2dsZS5jb20vZmlsZS9kLzBCLVlkdzBJSEZ3 QXdaakZhVG5sWVJHTlFVbmMvdmlldz91c3A9c2hhcmluZyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHBz Oi8vZHJpdmUuPHdicj5nb29nbGUuY29tL2ZpbGUvZC8wQi08d2JyPllkdzBJSEZ3QXdaakZhVG5s WVJHTlFVbmMvPHdicj52aWV3P3VzcD1zaGFyaW5nPC9hPiZuYnNwO1dlIGFyZSB1c2luZyBvcGVu IHNvdXJjZSBjb2RlIHRvIGJ1aWxkIG91ciBuZXcgIlZUcmFja2xlcnkgMi4wInN5c3RlbSwgc28g YW55b25lIGNhbiB1cyBpdCBhbmQgYWRkIG9uIHRvIGl0IGZvciBmcmVlLiBXZSB3aWxsIGJlIHJv bGxpbmcgaXQgb3V0IGxhdGUgMjAxNy48ZGl2Pk1hdHRoZXc8YnI+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRp dj48YnI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfcXVvdGUiPjxzcGFuIGNsYXNzPSIiPjxkaXYgZGlyPSJs dHIiPk9uIFNhdCwgT2N0IDE1LCAyMDE2IGF0IDY6MTMgUE0gSm9uYXRoYW4gTW9ycmlzb24gJmx0 OzxhIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzpqb25hdGhhbkBiaWN5Y2xlY29sbGVjdGl2ZS5vcmciIHRhcmdldD0i X2JsYW5rIj5qb25hdGhhbkBiaWN5Y2xlY29sbGVjdGl2ZS48d2JyPm9yZzwvYT4mZ3Q7IHdyb3Rl Ojxicj48L2Rpdj48L3NwYW4+PGJsb2NrcXVvdGUgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIiBzdHlsZT0i bWFyZ2luOjAgMCAwIC44ZXg7Ym9yZGVyLWxlZnQ6MXB4ICNjY2Mgc29saWQ7cGFkZGluZy1sZWZ0 OjFleCI+PHNwYW4gY2xhc3M9IiI+PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciIgY2xhc3M9Im1fMTc4MDA1MDY5MDk2 NDQzMTM5N2dtYWlsX21zZyI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0ibV8xNzgwMDUwNjkwOTY0NDMxMzk3Z21haWxf bXNnIj5IYXMgYW55b25lIGJlZW4gdXNpbmcgKDxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHBzOi8vY2l2aWNybS5vcmcv IiBjbGFzcz0ibV8xNzgwMDUwNjkwOTY0NDMxMzk3Z21haWxfbXNnIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+ aHR0cHM6Ly9jaXZpY3JtLm9yZy88L2E+KSBvciB3b3VsZCB0aGV5IHJlY29tbWVuZCBhIGRpZmZl cmVudCBzb2Z0d2FyZSBwYWNrYWdlPzwvZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9Im1fMTc4MDA1MDY5MDk2NDQz MTM5N2dtYWlsX21zZyI+PGJyIGNsYXNzPSJtXzE3ODAwNTA2OTA5NjQ0MzEzOTdnbWFpbF9tc2ci PjwvZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9Im1fMTc4MDA1MDY5MDk2NDQzMTM5N2dtYWlsX21zZyI+LUpvbmF0 aGFuPC9kaXY+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0ibV8xNzgwMDUwNjkwOTY0NDMxMzk3Z21haWxfbXNnIj48YnIg Y2xhc3M9Im1fMTc4MDA1MDY5MDk2NDQzMTM5N2dtYWlsX21zZyI+PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+PC9zcGFu Pjxicj48L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+PC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPjwv ZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3NpZ25hdHVyZSIgZGF0YS1zbWFydG1haWw9ImdtYWlsX3Np Z25hdHVyZSI+PC9kaXY+CjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2Pgo8L2JvZHk+ --===============7235377643646309942==-- From recyclebikesforkids@gmail.com Fri Feb 3 18:11:32 2017 From: Recycle Bikes for Kids To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 20:11:30 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1283819289515161165==" --===============1283819289515161165== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We at Recycle Bikes for Kids are looking into Salesforce. It takes a good amount of time to setup, and personalize. It would be really helpful to get connected with a Bike Co-op that is currently using it so we can use their formatting instead of reinventing the wheel :) On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Sam Haraldson wrote: > With the newly posted question regarding SalesForce I thought I would > dredge up this conversation from late 2016 that discussed both CiviCRM as > well as Vtracklery. I for one am interested in hearing more from Matthew > at the Recyclerly as to how Vtracklery 2.0 is coming along (if at all) as > it seems like a prime solution to meet needs and opportunities that we have > at the Bozeman Bike Kitchen. > > Thanks, > Sam > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Matthew McMunn > wrote: > >> The Recyclery has just started working on a software project that you >> might be interested in. Check out the link to a grant proposal we just >> submitted: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Ydw0IHFwAwZjFa >> TnlYRGNQUnc/view?usp=sharing We are using open source code to build our >> new "VTracklery 2.0"system, so anyone can us it and add on to it for free. >> We will be rolling it out late 2017. >> Matthew >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM Jonathan Morrison < >> jonathan(a)bicyclecollective.org> wrote: >> >>> Has anyone been using (https://civicrm.org/) or would they recommend a >>> different software package? >>> >>> -Jonathan >>> >>> >>> > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list > > > --===============1283819289515161165== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+V2UgYXQgUmVjeWNsZSBCaWtlcyBmb3IgS2lkcyBhcmUgbG9va2luZyBp bnRvIFNhbGVzZm9yY2UuwqA8ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pkl0IHRha2VzIGEgZ29vZCBhbW91 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Development Manager at Neighborhood Bike Works Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2017 17:52:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1156289780819565944==" --===============1156289780819565944== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Think Tankers! Neighborhood Bike Works (in Philadelphia) is hiring a new full-time Development Manager. Below is the full description, or there's a link to it here . Please check it out and, if there are people in your network you think could be a good fit, please share it. Thanks! -Steve *___* Development Manager =E2=80=93 Neighborhood Bike Works Position Summary: Neighborhood Bike Works (NBW) is seeking a full-time Development Manager to lead a wide-ranging fundraising strategy to support NBW=E2=80=99s youth and community programming. The Development Manager works closely with the Executive Director to establish annual fundraising and communications goals, and to plan and implement NBW=E2=80=99s development strategy. Specifically, the Development Manager oversees major fundraising campaigns, communications, and grant proposals, taking the lead on two of NBW=E2=80=99s primary revenue sources: foundations grants and individual givi= ng. About Neighborhood Bike Works: In 2017, NBW will build on its recent growth and relocation to a new community shop and bike education hub. NBW is celebrating 20 years of using bikes as the hook to engage youth in positive out-of-school-time activities. By learning bike mechanics and exploring the city by bike, young people at NBW build life skills and healthy habits, and gain leadership experience. Based in West Philadelphia, we primarily serve youth of color from low-income communities. In addition to our youth programs, NBW provides a DIY bicycle workshop space for adults as well as community outreach programs to promote cycling. More information regarding NBW can be found at neighborhoodbikeworks.org. Start Date & Work Schedule: The start date for this position is Monday, March 20, 2017. Typical work hours for full-time NBW staff are Monday through Friday, from 10am to 6pm, with occasional evening or weekend work required. Some work may be remotely. Reports to: Executive Director Primary Responsibilities: Grant Writing, Reporting, and Relationship Management with Private Funding Sources (40%) - Prepare grant applications & reports in coordination with Executive Director and Director of Youth Programs. - Maintain NBW=E2=80=99s grant application and reporting calendar. Research = new private sources of support, including foundations and corporate sources. - Work with colleagues to develop strong case statements for Neighborhood Bike Works=E2=80=99 programs and special projects. - Manage schedule for regular, planned contact with foundations and corporate supporters. Work with Executive Director to maintain positive contact with funders throughout the year. - Work with Director of Youth Programs to brief youth program staff on grant funding opportunities, facilitating assessment of fit with overall program strategies. Individual Donor Campaigns (30%) - Coordinate two direct mail fundraising appeals (Annual Giving Campaign & Summer Camp Campaign). Prepare mailing lists and oversee distribution and follow up activities. - Lead donor recruitment and cultivation strategy for major donors, recurring donors, and new donors. - Research donor prospects and maintain donor records. - Support the Executive Director in donor cultivation and formal asks, by preparing cultivation materials and talking points, and managing individual donor cultivation plans. Events, Communications, and Other Activities (30%) - Lead special fundraising events throughout the year, including house parties, community events, and large scale fundraising event. - Support NBW non-development staff in understanding and participating in fundraising activities, including preparing for site visits, training staff on communicating with the public, volunteers, and constituents as a part of the development process. - Support and, in some cases, take the lead on communications activities, including writing content for e-newsletter, interfacing with graphic designer, and writing press releases. - Prepare regular fundraising progress reports for NBW board meetings. - Support and consult Development Committee of the Board of Directors to engage all members of the Board in effectively supporting NBW=E2=80=99s de= velopment efforts. - Using NBW=E2=80=99s donor management software, maintain complete and accur= ate records of grants, gifts, and relationships for individuals and institutional funders. - Participate in NBW=E2=80=99s strategic planning process and assist in deve= loping short and long-term program plans for core and advanced programs. Qualifications: The ideal candidate will have 2+ years of development experience, ideally in grant-writing, individual donor campaigns, and in major donor cultivation. Excellent written and verbal communication skills are required, with a demonstrated ability to produce clear, compelling narratives quickly and confidently. Background knowledge of Philadelphia=E2= =80=99s education system, history, bicycling community, and networks of youth development organizations is preferred. Candidates with non-traditional work and education experience are encouraged =E2=80=93 please tell us about t= hose experiences that qualify you for this position. Additional Qualifications: - Driven by the mission and work of NBW. - Commitment to social justice and youth leadership. - Willingness to work as a team player with other staff and the NBW board of directors. - Self-motivated with a keen attention to detail. - High degree of familiarity with current computer technology, social media, and ability to learn our fundraising database (NEON). - Sense of humor, patience, and flexibility. NBW is a collaborative and fast-paced work environment. - Successful passing of PA State Police Criminal Background Check, Pennsylvania Child Abuse History Clearance, and FBI Clearance required. Compensation: This is a full-time, exempt, salaried position. The pay range for this position will be $38,000 to $42,000 annually, depending on experience and qualifications. NBW offers a competitive benefits package, including health, dental, and retirement plans. Additionally, NBW offers 10 paid vacation days to first-year employees, personal paid time off, a flex time policy, and an employee purchase benefit on bicycles, parts, and accessories. Please email a resume, cover letter, and one-page development-related writing sample to jobs(a)neighborhoodbikeworks.org. Applications received by February 24, 2017 will receive priority consideration. We are an Equal Opportunity Employer and actively seek staff who reflect the community we serve. 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quoted-printable Actually in France you'll find more bike coops via L'heureux cyclage: https://www.heureux-cyclage.org/?lang=3Den It's the French equivalent of bike collectives. Le 01/02/2017 21:17, claire grover a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > In France : http://velorution.org/ >=20 > Claire Grover > Paris >=20 > Le 1 f=C3=A9vr. 2017 =C3=A0 09:10, Kieran O'Neill a= =C3=A9crit : >=20 >> It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on=20 >> the wiki: >>=20 >> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DDoe-het-zelf_Werkpl= aats >> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DCommunity_Bicycle_O= rganizations#Germany >>=20 >> I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen >> came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most >> community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching >> "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. >>=20 >> On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com>=20 >> wrote: >>> Look into the Velo routes. >>>=20 >>> On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hello you'all! >>>=20 >>> Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days=20 >>> of may >>> and all June. >>> Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other=20 >>> countries >>> so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a >>> bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. >>>=20 >>> We'll appreciate any info. >>>=20 >>> Thanks >>>=20 >>> =C2=A1Que siga el pedal! >>>=20 >>> -TigreBici >>>=20 >>> ____________________________________ >>>=20 >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >> href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecol= lectives.org">Unsubscribe >>> from this list >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ____________________________________ >>>=20 >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >> href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecol= lectives.org">Unsubscribe >>> from this list >>>=20 >>>=20 >> ____________________________________ >>=20 >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecoll= ectives.org">Unsubscribe=20 >> from this list >>=20 >=20 > ____________________________________ >=20 > The ThinkTank mailing List > href=3D"http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecolle= ctives.org">Unsubscribe > from this list --===============7390985961877722368==-- From analyst@bikefarm.org Thu Feb 9 22:10:44 2017 From: momoko saunders To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Europe bike support Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 06:10:31 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7f1594e330cc1e89c7d50e4892f09b6e@bohwaz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6580287483528848307==" --===============6580287483528848307== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow. That website is lovely! So cool to see other countries doing similar things. I wonder if L'heureux Cyclage has staff, is a non - profit, or if it's a community/volunteer effort like bikebike or the bike collective wiki. On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM BohwaZ wrote: > Actually in France you'll find more bike coops via L'heureux cyclage: > > > > https://www.heureux-cyclage.org/?lang=3Den > > > > It's the French equivalent of bike collectives. > > > > Le 01/02/2017 21:17, claire grover a =C3=A9crit : > > > In France : http://velorution.org/ > > > > > > Claire Grover > > > Paris > > > > > > Le 1 f=C3=A9vr. 2017 =C3=A0 09:10, Kieran O'Neill = a =C3=A9crit : > > > > > >> It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on > > >> the wiki: > > >> > > >> > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DDoe-het-zelf_Werkpla= ats > > >> > https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DCommunity_Bicycle_Or= ganizations#Germany > > >> > > >> I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen > > >> came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most > > >> community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching > > >> "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. > > >> > > >> On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>> Look into the Velo routes. > > >>> > > >>> On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hello you'all! > > >>> > > >>> Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days > > >>> of may > > >>> and all June. > > >>> Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other > > >>> countries > > >>> so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a > > >>> bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. > > >>> > > >>> We'll appreciate any info. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks > > >>> > > >>> =C2=A1Que siga el pedal! > > >>> > > >>> -TigreBici > > >>> > > >>> ____________________________________ > > >>> > > >>> The ThinkTank mailing List > > >>> > 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Hope you are doing well. --=20 Christine Bourgeois SBBIKE Education Director, LCI #2255 805 699 6301| edu(a)sbbike.org | Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition | www.facebook.com/sbbikes https://twitter.com/sb_bike On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:10 PM, momoko saunders wrote: > Wow. That website is lovely! > > So cool to see other countries doing similar things. I wonder if L'heureux > Cyclage has staff, is a non - profit, or if it's a community/volunteer > effort like bikebike or the bike collective wiki. > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM BohwaZ wrote: > >> Actually in France you'll find more bike coops via L'heureux cyclage: >> >> >> >> https://www.heureux-cyclage.org/?lang=3Den >> >> >> >> It's the French equivalent of bike collectives. >> >> >> >> Le 01/02/2017 21:17, claire grover a =C3=A9crit : >> >> > In France : http://velorution.org/ >> >> > >> >> > Claire Grover >> >> > Paris >> >> > >> >> > Le 1 f=C3=A9vr. 2017 =C3=A0 09:10, Kieran O'Neill a =C3=A9crit : >> >> > >> >> >> It's worth trying to contact the few community bike shops listed on >> >> >> the wiki: >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DDoe- >> het-zelf_Werkplaats >> >> >> https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=3D >> Community_Bicycle_Organizations#Germany >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm 100% certain there are more -- someone from Cologne Bike Kitchen >> >> >> came and visited our shop a few years ago. Apparently in Germany most >> >> >> community bike shops are called "Bike Kitchens", so just searching >> >> >> "bike kitchen" and a city name may bring up results. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 31 January 2017 at 18:42, General Manager <3rdwardbikes(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> Look into the Velo routes. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Jan 31, 2017 7:52 PM, "Tigre Bici" wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hello you'all! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Our main mechanic is traveling on vacation to Europe on teh last days >> >> >>> of may >> >> >>> and all June. >> >> >>> Arriving to Amsterdam and bike travelling trough Germany and other >> >> >>> countries >> >> >>> so is there anyone that can provide with some info on where to get a >> >> >>> bike/bike paths and ocassional mechanic jobs to get some money/food. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> We'll appreciate any info. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thanks >> >> >>> >> >> >>> =C2=A1Que siga el pedal! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -TigreBici >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ____________________________________ 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings everyone! I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA has been dealing with? Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some manner. I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) Sarah Schaan, FMCBW Fargo --===============0041053233634204480== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPkdyZWV0aW5ncyBldmVyeW9uZSE8ZGl2IGRpcj0iYXV0byI+PGJyPjwv ZGl2PjxkaXYgZGlyPSJhdXRvIj5JIGFtIGN1cmlvdXMgdG8ga25vdyBpZiBhbnkgYmlrZWJpa2Ug bWVtYmVycy9vcmdhbml6ZXJzIGhhdmUgZGlzY3Vzc2VkIG1ha2luZyBhIGNvbGxlY3RpdmUgc3Rh dGVtZW50IGFib3V0IHRoZSByZWNlbnQgcG9saXRpY2FsIGlzc3VlcyB0aGF0IFVTQSBoYXMgYmVl biBkZWFsaW5nIHdpdGg/PC9kaXY+PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGRpcj0i YXV0byI+wqBTZXZlcmFsIHBvbGljaWVzIGFuZCBtYW55IHN0YXRlbWVudHMgbWFkZSBieSB0aGUg V2hpdGUgSG91c2UgYW5kIGNvLiBkaXJlY3RseSBjb250cmFkaWN0IG91ciBtaXNzaW9uIHN0YXRl bWVudC4gQXMgYSBtdWx0aW5hdGlvbmFsIG9yZ2FuaXphdGlvbiBJIGJlbGlldmUgd2UgbWF5IGhh dmUgYSBncmVhdGVyIGltcGFjdCBpZiB3ZSBjb3VsZCB1bml0ZSBvdXIgdm9pY2VzIGluIHNvbWUg bWFubmVyLsKgPC9kaXY+PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGRpcj0iYXV0byI+ SSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gYmFkIGF0IGtlZXBpbmcgdXAgd2l0aCBzb2NpYWwgbWVkaWEvIGVtYWlsIHRo cmVhZHMgc28gaWYgdGhpcyBoYXMgYWxyZWFkeSBiZWVuIGFkZHJlc3NlZCwgSSB3b3VsZCB0aGFu ayB5b3UgZm9yIGNhdGNoaW5nIG1lIHVwITwvZGl2PjxkaXYgZGlyPSJhdXRvIj48YnI+PC9kaXY+ PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPkFzIGFsd2F5cywga2VlcCB5b3VyIHJhZCBzb3VscyBidXJuaW5nIGJy aWdodCA6KTwvZGl2PjxkaXYgZGlyPSJhdXRvIj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPlNh cmFoIFNjaGFhbiwgRk1DQlfCoDwvZGl2PjxkaXYgZGlyPSJhdXRvIj5GYXJnbzwvZGl2PjxkaXYg ZGlyPSJhdXRvIj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+Cg== --===============0041053233634204480==-- From mike.pattisall@velocitycoop.org Fri Feb 10 13:55:47 2017 From: mpattisall To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Political message Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 16:55:45 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6234394718226336923==" --===============6234394718226336923== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and whether or not donations are tax deductible. https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/the-restri= ction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organi= zations On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan wrote: > Greetings everyone! > > I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed > making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA > has been dealing with? > > Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. > directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization > I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some > manner. > > I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this > has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! > > As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) > > Sarah Schaan, FMCBW > Fargo > > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list > > > --=20 Mike Pattisall http://velocitycoop.org/ V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative 2111 Mt. 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Not even joking. See for example this story from Richmond about artists getting around onerous zoning laws by becoming a church. Different case, same application. Also I posted this statement up here after the election, and have heard that a lot of folks found it helpful. On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:55 PM, mpattisall wrote: > Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and > whether or not donations are tax deductible. > > https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable- > organizations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign- > intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan > wrote: > >> Greetings everyone! >> >> I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed >> making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA >> has been dealing with? >> >> Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. >> directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization >> I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some >> manner. >> >> I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this >> has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! >> >> As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) >> >> Sarah Schaan, FMCBW >> Fargo >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > > > -- > Mike Pattisall > http://velocitycoop.org/ > V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative > 2111 Mt. Vernon Ave, Alexandria, VA 22301 > [image: > Facebook] > > > > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list > > > --===============6299761899532422241== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+V2UgY291bGQgaW5jb3Jwb3JhdGUgdGhlIEJpa2UgQ29sbGVjdGl2ZXMg TmV0d29yayBhcyBhIHJlbGlnaW91cyBvcmdhbml6YXRpb24uIE5vdCBldmVuIGpva2luZy4gU2Vl IGZvciBleGFtcGxlIDxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly9tLnN0eWxld2Vla2x5LmNvbS9yaWNobW9uZC90 ZW1wbGUtb2YtbG92ZS9Db250ZW50P29pZD0yMjAwMjk4Ij50aGlzIHN0b3J5IGZyb20gUmljaG1v bmQ8L2E+wqBhYm91dCBhcnRpc3RzIGdldHRpbmcgYXJvdW5kIG9uZXJvdXMgem9uaW5nIGxhd3Mg YnkgYmVjb21pbmcgYSBjaHVyY2guIERpZmZlcmVudCBjYXNlLCBzYW1lIGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uLsKg PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj5BbHNvIEkgcG9zdGVkIDxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHBzOi8vbWVkaXVt LmNvbS9Aam9zaGJpc2tlci93aGF0LXRoZS10cnVtcC1lbGVjdGlvbi1tZWFucy1mb3ItbXktYmlr 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quoted-printable I agree- and thanks for the irs link! I think if the statement was phrased as a support document rather than a dissent document- such as highlighting the support of immigrants and refugees, we could stand behind our mission statement without violating the non-political requirement. I believe that the document would be useful, not just as a feel good sentiment, but as proof of a unified group with a message. On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "mpattisall" wrote: > Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and > whether or not donations are tax deductible. > > https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable- > organizations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign- > intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan > wrote: > >> Greetings everyone! >> >> I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed >> making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA >> has been dealing with? >> >> Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. >> directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization >> I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some >> manner. >> >> I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this >> has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! >> >> As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) >> >> Sarah Schaan, FMCBW >> Fargo >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > > > -- > Mike Pattisall > http://velocitycoop.org/ > V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative > 2111 Mt. 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Our board and staff signed onto the pledge and we'll be pushing it all throughout the year. Some people may view it as political, but it is really no different from the values we put in place from the beginning. We do think it is important to be broadcasting these values to the public in regard to recent policies. *A Pledge, a Promise, and A Commitment* It has always been part of BBP=E2=80=99s Mission to create an educational wor= kspace in a diverse and non-threatening atmosphere. In our tenth year, we are doubling down on that commitment and ensuring that our new shop is an inclusive and safe space for all. When you enter our doors, you are entering a place of love, empathy, and community. While inside you will be treated with the same amount of respect and regard as everyone you=E2=80=99re sharing the shop with. When you leave our building we hope to send you with the tools and confidence to connect to your next opportunity on two wheels. This is our pledge, promise, and commitment to the community. Ride On! Jimmy Hallyburton Founder / Executive Director Boise Bicycle Project (208)-429-6520 1027 Lusk St Boise, ID 83706 www.boisebicycleproject.org Want to receive Boise Bicycle Project's monthly FreeSpirit Newsletter ? Or stay in the loop on Facebook , Instagram , Twitter On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Sarah Schaan wrote: > I agree- and thanks for the irs link! > > I think if the statement was phrased as a support document rather than a > dissent document- such as highlighting the support of immigrants and > refugees, we could stand behind our mission statement without violating the > non-political requirement. > > I believe that the document would be useful, not just as a feel good > sentiment, but as proof of a unified group with a message. > > > > On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "mpattisall" > wrote: > >> Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and >> whether or not donations are tax deductible. >> >> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz >> ations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-interventio >> n-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations >> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan >> wrote: >> >>> Greetings everyone! >>> >>> I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed >>> making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA >>> has been dealing with? >>> >>> Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. >>> directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization >>> I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in so= me >>> manner. >>> >>> I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if >>> this has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! >>> >>> As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) >>> >>> Sarah Schaan, FMCBW >>> Fargo >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Pattisall >> http://velocitycoop.org/ >> V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative >> 2111 Mt. 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Many non-profits are releasing political statements right now, and non-profits can be an important platform for voices of dissent to be heard. I think as long as you stay away from elections it's fine. Can anyone chime in on the legal nuance here? It certainly would be good to know. bud On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Jimmy Hallyburton < jimmy(a)boisebicycleproject.org> wrote: > We simply reenforced the principals we already stand by in a written > pledge on our Annual Report. Our board and staff signed onto the pledge and > we'll be pushing it all throughout the year. Some people may view it as > political, but it is really no different from the values we put in place > from the beginning. We do think it is important to be broadcasting these > values to the public in regard to recent policies. > > > *A Pledge, a Promise, and A Commitment* > > It has always been part of BBP=E2=80=99s Mission to create an educational > workspace in a diverse and non-threatening atmosphere. In our tenth year, > we are doubling down on that commitment and ensuring that our new shop is > an inclusive and safe space for all. When you enter our doors, you are > entering a place of love, empathy, and community. While inside you will be > treated with the same amount of respect and regard as everyone you=E2=80=99= re > sharing the shop with. When you leave our building we hope to send you with > the tools and confidence to connect to your next opportunity on two wheels. > This is our pledge, promise, and commitment to the community. > > > Ride On! > > Jimmy Hallyburton > Founder / Executive Director > Boise Bicycle Project > (208)-429-6520 <(208)%20429-6520> > 1027 Lusk St Boise, ID 83706 > www.boisebicycleproject.org > > > Want to receive Boise Bicycle Project's monthly FreeSpirit Newsletter > > ? > Or stay in the loop on Facebook > , Instagram > , Twitter > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Sarah Schaan > wrote: > >> I agree- and thanks for the irs link! >> >> I think if the statement was phrased as a support document rather than a >> dissent document- such as highlighting the support of immigrants and >> refugees, we could stand behind our mission statement without violating the >> non-political requirement. >> >> I believe that the document would be useful, not just as a feel good >> sentiment, but as proof of a unified group with a message. >> >> >> >> On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "mpattisall" >> wrote: >> >>> Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status >>> and whether or not donations are tax deductible. >>> >>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz >>> ations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention- >>> by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings everyone! >>>> >>>> I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed >>>> making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA >>>> has been dealing with? >>>> >>>> Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. >>>> directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organizati= on >>>> I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in s= ome >>>> manner. >>>> >>>> I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if >>>> this has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! >>>> >>>> As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) >>>> >>>> Sarah Schaan, FMCBW >>>> Fargo >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________ >>>> >>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>>> >>> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Pattisall >>> http://velocitycoop.org/ >>> V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative >>> 2111 Mt. 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campaigning." President Donald may try to overturn the IRS restriction on political campaigning. I think that is a terrible idea. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/debate-club/articles/2017-02-10/is-repealing-th= e-johnson-amendment-a-good-idea "Speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast last Thursday, President Donald Trump vowed to "destroy" the Johnson Amendment, which prevents houses of worship and other tax-exempt organizations from engaging in political campaigning. Trump declared to the crowd, "I will get rid of and totally destroy the Johnson Amendment and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely and without fear of retribution."" On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:38 PM Bud Tymczyszyn wrote: > I may be wrong, but it's been my understanding that 501c3s certainly may > (and should) engage in political speech... you just can't campaign or get > involved in partisan elections. Many non-profits are releasing political > statements right now, and non-profits can be an important platform for > voices of dissent to be heard. I think as long as you stay away from > elections it's fine. > > Can anyone chime in on the legal nuance here? It certainly would be good > to know. > > bud > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Jimmy Hallyburton < > jimmy(a)boisebicycleproject.org> wrote: > > We simply reenforced the principals we already stand by in a written > pledge on our Annual Report. Our board and staff signed onto the pledge and > we'll be pushing it all throughout the year. Some people may view it as > political, but it is really no different from the values we put in place > from the beginning. We do think it is important to be broadcasting these > values to the public in regard to recent policies. > > > *A Pledge, a Promise, and A Commitment* > > It has always been part of BBP=E2=80=99s Mission to create an educational > workspace in a diverse and non-threatening atmosphere. In our tenth year, > we are doubling down on that commitment and ensuring that our new shop is > an inclusive and safe space for all. When you enter our doors, you are > entering a place of love, empathy, and community. While inside you will be > treated with the same amount of respect and regard as everyone you=E2=80=99= re > sharing the shop with. When you leave our building we hope to send you with > the tools and confidence to connect to your next opportunity on two wheels. > This is our pledge, promise, and commitment to the community. > > > Ride On! > > Jimmy Hallyburton > Founder / Executive Director > Boise Bicycle Project > (208)-429-6520 <(208)%20429-6520> > 1027 Lusk St Boise, ID 83706 > www.boisebicycleproject.org > > > Want to receive Boise Bicycle Project's monthly FreeSpirit Newsletter > > ? > Or stay in the loop on Facebook > , Instagram > , Twitter > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Sarah Schaan > wrote: > > I agree- and thanks for the irs link! > > I think if the statement was phrased as a support document rather than a > dissent document- such as highlighting the support of immigrants and > refugees, we could stand behind our mission statement without violating the > non-political requirement. > > I believe that the document would be useful, not just as a feel good > sentiment, but as proof of a unified group with a message. > > > > On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "mpattisall" > wrote: > > Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and > whether or not donations are tax deductible. > > > https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/the-rest= riction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-orga= nizations > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan > wrote: > > Greetings everyone! > > I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed > making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA > has been dealing with? > > Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. > directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization > I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some > manner. > > I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this > has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! > > As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) > > Sarah Schaan, FMCBW > Fargo > > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o= rg">Unsubscribe > from this list > > > > > > -- > Mike Pattisall > http://velocitycoop.org/ > V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative > 2111 Mt. 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multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4153527250481111613==" --===============4153527250481111613== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, but have never been invited. We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! 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Volunteering for a steady two months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you understand the rules of the shop. We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate. For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be appropriate. There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, not your assumptions. It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to operate. I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. -momoko On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner wrote: > Hi all, > > Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our > shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, > with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable > everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been > a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an > overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse > rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are > probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. > > Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours > consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can > come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop > hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than > an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from > the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, > but have never been invited. > > We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to > be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without > speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, > I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify > them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side > of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can > have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an > individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our > entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole > operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist > conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the > shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? > > My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust > is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as > well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > Andy > Broke Spoke, Lexington KY > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list > > > --===============2370503461594449267== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+QW5keSw8ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkF0IEJpa2UgRmFybSB3ZSBo YXZlIGEgc2ltaWxhciBwb2xpY3kuIFZvbHVudGVlcmluZyBmb3IgYSBzdGVhZHkgdHdvIG1vbnRo cyBjYW4gbGVhZCB0byBhIGtleS4gWW91IGhhdmUgdG8gYmUgbm9taW5hdGVkLCBhbmQgaXQmIzM5 O3MgdGhlIHJlc3BvbnNpYmlsaXR5IG9mIHRoZSBwZXJzb24gd2hvIG5vbWluYXRlZCB5b3UgdG8g ZW5zdXJlIHRoYXQgeW91IHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgdGhlIHJ1bGVzIG9mIHRoZSBzaG9wLsKgPC9kaXY+ PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj5XZSYjMzk7dmUgaGFkIGEgbnVtYmVyIGhvdXNlbGVzcyBmb2xr cyBiZSBrZXkgaG9sZGVycy4gQmVzaWRlcyB0aGUgb2NjYXNpb25hbCBwZXJzb24gc2xlZXBpbmcg YXQgdGhlIHNob3Agd2hlbiBpdCYjMzk7cyBwb3VyaW5nIGZyZWV6aW5nIHJhaW4gb3V0c2lkZSwg 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8580587811168750286==" --===============8580587811168750286== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, One last thing I forgot to say. One of the key reasons someone will be nominated for a key is to hold a shift. We require two key holders for every shift. If the person has been coming regularly to their shift for two months, and there is a need for a 2nd or 3rd key holder on the shift, this is the usual reason someone gets a key. So people don't get them just for showing up every once in a while for two months. They have to show dedication! Coming to nearly every one of your shifts for 2 months is a requirement that weeds out a lot of the less steady folks. This is a good litmus to evaluate trust. On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM, momoko saunders wrote: > Andy, > > At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two > months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the > responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you > understand the rules of the shop. > > We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional > person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we > haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate. > > For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. He's > super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, and > sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who gets a > key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I would > vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no problems > with letting people know why I don't think it would be appropriate. > > There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I hope > you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express yourselves. At > the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. Economic status > and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny someone a key. > Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, not your > assumptions. > > It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If > after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with > them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? > > It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is > that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to > operate. > > I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more > comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be > afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that > feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. > > Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. > -momoko > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our >> shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, >> with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable >> everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been >> a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an >> overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse >> rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are >> probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. >> >> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >> but have never been invited. >> >> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to >> be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without >> speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, >> I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify >> them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side >> of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can >> have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an >> individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our >> entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole >> operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist >> conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the >> shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? >> >> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust >> is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as >> well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > --===============8580587811168750286== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+T29wcywgT25lIGxhc3QgdGhpbmcgSSBmb3Jnb3QgdG8gc2F5LjxkaXY+ PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+T25lIG9mIHRoZSBrZXkgcmVhc29ucyBzb21lb25lIHdpbGwgYmUgbm9t aW5hdGVkIGZvciBhIGtleSBpcyB0byBob2xkIGEgc2hpZnQuIFdlIHJlcXVpcmUgdHdvIGtleSBo b2xkZXJzIGZvciBldmVyeSBzaGlmdC4gSWYgdGhlIHBlcnNvbiBoYXMgYmVlbiBjb21pbmcgcmVn dWxhcmx5IHRvIHRoZWlyIHNoaWZ0IGZvciB0d28gbW9udGhzLCBhbmQgdGhlcmUgaXMgYSBuZWVk IGZvciBhIDJuZCBvciAzcmQga2V5IGhvbGRlciBvbiB0aGUgc2hpZnQsIHRoaXMgaXMgdGhlIHVz dWFsIHJlYXNvbiBzb21lb25lIGdldHMgYSBrZXkuIFNvIHBlb3BsZSBkb24mIzM5O3QgZ2V0IHRo 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If those criteria are not formalized, expressed, and accessible, then people cannot work towards meeting those criteria, and you have established an elite group of key holders that is inaccessible to the majority of your organizations membership base. That will result in the people who "lead" the organization eventually not being representative of the population your organization (presumably) exists to serve. I don't think that "showing up for x # of hours over x period of time," sounds like it is adequate criteria for someone to be given access, which means there are other (likely currently unstated) criteria that determine whether someone is worthy of the privilege of a key. Rather than ask people to just be more trusting, I would consider doing an activity that names the other criteria (as well as consequences for violating norms), and then make them available generally. This allows people to demonstrate their abilities to meet those criteria-- regardless of income, housing, or addiction history. -Heather On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:12 PM, < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions > (Andrew Shooner) > 2. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions > (momoko saunders) > 3. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions > (momoko saunders) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Andrew Shooner > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:57:27 -0500 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and > preconceptions > Hi all, > > Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our > shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, > with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable > everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been > a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an > overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse > rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are > probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. > > Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours > consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can > come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop > hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than > an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from > the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, > but have never been invited. > > We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to > be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without > speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, > I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify > them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side > of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can > have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an > individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our > entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole > operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist > conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the > shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? > > My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust > is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as > well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > Andy > Broke Spoke, Lexington KY > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: momoko saunders > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:33:30 -0800 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and > preconceptions > Andy, > > At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two > months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the > responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you > understand the rules of the shop. > > We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional > person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we > haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate. > > For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. He's > super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, and > sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who gets a > key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I would > vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no problems > with letting people know why I don't think it would be appropriate. > > There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I hope > you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express yourselves. At > the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. Economic status > and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny someone a key. > Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, not your > assumptions. > > It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If > after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with > them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? > > It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is > that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to > operate. > > I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more > comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be > afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that > feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. > > Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. > -momoko > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our >> shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, >> with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable >> everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been >> a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an >> overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse >> rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are >> probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. >> >> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >> but have never been invited. >> >> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to >> be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without >> speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, >> I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify >> them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side >> of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can >> have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an >> individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our >> entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole >> operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist >> conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the >> shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? >> >> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust >> is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as >> well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: momoko saunders > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:40:22 -0800 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and > preconceptions > Oops, One last thing I forgot to say. > > One of the key reasons someone will be nominated for a key is to hold a > shift. We require two key holders for every shift. If the person has been > coming regularly to their shift for two months, and there is a need for a > 2nd or 3rd key holder on the shift, this is the usual reason someone gets a > key. So people don't get them just for showing up every once in a while for > two months. They have to show dedication! > > Coming to nearly every one of your shifts for 2 months is a requirement > that weeds out a lot of the less steady folks. This is a good litmus to > evaluate trust. > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM, momoko saunders > wrote: > >> Andy, >> >> At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two >> months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the >> responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you >> understand the rules of the shop. >> >> We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional >> person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we >> haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate. >> >> For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. >> He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, >> and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who >> gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I >> would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no >> problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be >> appropriate. >> >> There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I >> hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express >> yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. >> Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny >> someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, not >> your assumptions. >> >> It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If >> after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with >> them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? >> >> It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is >> that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to >> operate. >> >> I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more >> comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be >> afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that >> feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. >> >> Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. >> -momoko >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the >>> shop. >>> >>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>> but have never been invited. >>> >>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on >>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The >>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy = in >>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the >>> line? >>> >>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andy >>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > > --===============5999766601225265338== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+SGV5IEFuZHJldyw8ZGl2Pjxicj48ZGl2Pml0IHNvdW5kcyB0byBtZSBs aWtlIHlvdSBhbmQgeW91ciBjb2xsZWN0aXZlIG1pZ2h0IHdhbnQgdG8gY29uc2lkZXIgeW91ciBj cml0ZXJpYSBmb3Iga2V5LWhvbGRlcnNoaXAuIElmIHRob3NlIGNyaXRlcmlhIGFyZSBub3QgZm9y bWFsaXplZCwgZXhwcmVzc2VkLCBhbmQgYWNjZXNzaWJsZSwgdGhlbiBwZW9wbGUgY2Fubm90IHdv 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I think my way of perceiving situations like this relies too heavily on nuance, and makes Bike Farm less accessible. What I realize is that it forces core volunteers of BF to be friends. Which can't always be possible. These aspects of the policy feel clear. - Show up consistently to your chosen shift. - Abide by and enforce the safer space agreement. - Fill a need of the shop. The last part of the equation is not so easy to concretely describe. - Your behaviour in the shop off hours will appropriately represent Bike Farm. - You have the skills to handle the strange situations that come up at Bike Farm. Do you think that's clear? It still puts the people in the meeting as judges. I'm unsure if someone would feel empowered to work towards vague goals like this. On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Heather Nugen wrote: > Hey Andrew, > > it sounds to me like you and your collective might want to consider your > criteria for key-holdership. If those criteria are not formalized, > expressed, and accessible, then people cannot work towards meeting those > criteria, and you have established an elite group of key holders that is > inaccessible to the majority of your organizations membership base. That > will result in the people who "lead" the organization eventually not being > representative of the population your organization (presumably) exists to > serve. > > I don't think that "showing up for x # of hours over x period of time," > sounds like it is adequate criteria for someone to be given access, which > means there are other (likely currently unstated) criteria that determine > whether someone is worthy of the privilege of a key. Rather than ask people > to just be more trusting, I would consider doing an activity that names the > other criteria (as well as consequences for violating norms), and then make > them available generally. This allows people to demonstrate their abilities > to meet those criteria-- regardless of income, housing, or addiction > history. > -Heather > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:12 PM, bikecollectives.org> wrote: > >> Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to >> thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-b >> ikecollectives.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >> (Andrew Shooner) >> 2. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >> (momoko saunders) >> 3. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >> (momoko saunders) >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Andrew Shooner >> To: The Think Tank >> Cc: >> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:57:27 -0500 >> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >> preconceptions >> Hi all, >> >> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our >> shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, >> with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable >> everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been >> a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an >> overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse >> rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are >> probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. >> >> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >> but have never been invited. >> >> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to >> be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without >> speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, >> I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify >> them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side >> of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can >> have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an >> individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our >> entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole >> operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist >> conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the >> shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? >> >> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust >> is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as >> well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: momoko saunders >> To: The Think Tank >> Cc: >> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:33:30 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >> preconceptions >> Andy, >> >> At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two >> months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the >> responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you >> understand the rules of the shop. >> >> We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional >> person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we >> haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate. >> >> For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. >> He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, >> and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who >> gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I >> would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no >> problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be >> appropriate. >> >> There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I >> hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express >> yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. >> Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny >> someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, not >> your assumptions. >> >> It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If >> after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with >> them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? >> >> It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is >> that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to >> operate. >> >> I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more >> comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be >> afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that >> feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. >> >> Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. >> -momoko >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the >>> shop. >>> >>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>> but have never been invited. >>> >>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on >>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The >>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy = in >>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the >>> line? >>> >>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andy >>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: momoko saunders >> To: The Think Tank >> Cc: >> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:40:22 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >> preconceptions >> Oops, One last thing I forgot to say. >> >> One of the key reasons someone will be nominated for a key is to hold a >> shift. We require two key holders for every shift. If the person has been >> coming regularly to their shift for two months, and there is a need for a >> 2nd or 3rd key holder on the shift, this is the usual reason someone gets a >> key. So people don't get them just for showing up every once in a while for >> two months. They have to show dedication! >> >> Coming to nearly every one of your shifts for 2 months is a requirement >> that weeds out a lot of the less steady folks. This is a good litmus to >> evaluate trust. >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM, momoko saunders >> wrote: >> >>> Andy, >>> >>> At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two >>> months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the >>> responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you >>> understand the rules of the shop. >>> >>> We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the >>> occasional person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain >>> outside, we haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we >>> nominate. >>> >>> For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. >>> He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, >>> and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who >>> gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I >>> would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no >>> problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be >>> appropriate. >>> >>> There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I >>> hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express >>> yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. >>> Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny >>> someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, n= ot >>> your assumptions. >>> >>> It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. >>> If after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out >>> with them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? >>> >>> It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is >>> that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to >>> operate. >>> >>> I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more >>> comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be >>> afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that >>> feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. >>> >>> Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. >>> -momoko >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the >>>> shop. >>>> >>>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather th= an >>>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>>> but have never been invited. >>>> >>>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on >>>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. T= he >>>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy= in >>>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the >>>> line? >>>> >>>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Andy >>>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>>> >>>> ____________________________________ >>>> >>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>>> >>> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-b >> ikecollectives.org >> >> > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list > > > --===============0742212258487937539== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+SGVhdGhlciw8ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkkgYWdyZWUgd2l0aCB3 aGF0IHlvdSBhcmUgc2F5aW5nIGFuZCBJJiMzOTttIGdyYXRlZnVsIHlvdSBicm91Z2h0IHVwIHRo 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--===============7454457496291076372== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From long ago substance abuse training, even sponsoring and recovery housing (Oxford House like) much less holding group officer positions has requirements of clean and sober and/or recovery time to make coffee for meeting (usually takes a church/facility key) Celebrations of time, anniversary meetings are an important way of passing on what it was like, what was learned along the way, and hope for the future... (read built in training with sober celebrationing called pass it on, iirc) Clichishness (sp?), gossip, rumors, and even Politic$, besides religiosity (my religion is better than yours because x,y,z...) can tear people and organizations apart. Look at 12 Step Traditions for what has worked for them, at least in writing... What people do and what policy and procedures say can be two different things, but some Process of resolving, conflict resolution Alpha is stepping down until has more time, graduates , travel schedule, the kids, etc, and we have an open time slot that needs keyholders in a friendly community meeting... Of the bike orgs I've been involved with, three or four plus advocacy, some were friendly and helpful, some had are we are _insert title_/ staff/board, you are bad attitude, and several exec directors later some of that hasn't changed, so I spend my time elsewhere, mostly. Power can be group reward/recognition, but also abused, and futher bullying... Rules where youth and kids may be involved may be more strict and need to be formalized, not that adults don't try to mess with the rules for desired results... Hanging out with someone to get a feeling of trustworthiness seems disingenuous to me, Approachable type personalities and comfortableness with technical and/or vulnerable people may be why they might want time alone in the shop, just bikes and tools, No people. (Dogs & cats maybe, if safe) Why many own garages, afaict. But many others can't afford their own. Having security cameras for safety might help. Remote monitoring/buddying probably best, like I'd sponsor /nominate x, if can observe, and watch out for from home with y as a backup overload/big brother/sister, if traveling, need to go to bed, turn over to z, who burns the midnight oil as a retiree/swingshift / whatever etc. Your local community may be the best judge of who gets keys, just WAG (Wild Ass Guesses)... Or more P.C., my $0.02 - inflation. On Feb 14, 2017 6:38 PM, "momoko saunders" wrote: > Heather, > > I agree with what you are saying and I'm grateful you brought up those > points. I think my way of perceiving situations like this relies too > heavily on nuance, and makes Bike Farm less accessible. > > What I realize is that it forces core volunteers of BF to be friends. > Which can't always be possible. > > These aspects of the policy feel clear. > > - Show up consistently to your chosen shift. > - Abide by and enforce the safer space agreement. > - Fill a need of the shop. > > > The last part of the equation is not so easy to concretely describe. > > - Your behaviour in the shop off hours will appropriately represent Bike > Farm. > - You have the skills to handle the strange situations that come up at > Bike Farm. > > > Do you think that's clear? > It still puts the people in the meeting as judges. I'm unsure if someone > would feel empowered to work towards vague goals like this. > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Heather Nugen wrote: > >> Hey Andrew, >> >> it sounds to me like you and your collective might want to consider your >> criteria for key-holdership. If those criteria are not formalized, >> expressed, and accessible, then people cannot work towards meeting those >> criteria, and you have established an elite group of key holders that is >> inaccessible to the majority of your organizations membership base. That >> will result in the people who "lead" the organization eventually not being >> representative of the population your organization (presumably) exists to >> serve. >> >> I don't think that "showing up for x # of hours over x period of time," >> sounds like it is adequate criteria for someone to be given access, which >> means there are other (likely currently unstated) criteria that determine >> whether someone is worthy of the privilege of a key. Rather than ask people >> to just be more trusting, I would consider doing an activity that names the >> other criteria (as well as consequences for violating norms), and then make >> them available generally. This allows people to demonstrate their abilities >> to meet those criteria-- regardless of income, housing, or addiction >> history. >> -Heather >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:12 PM, > kecollectives.org> wrote: >> >>> Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to >>> thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-b >>> ikecollectives.org >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >>> (Andrew Shooner) >>> 2. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >>> (momoko saunders) >>> 3. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >>> (momoko saunders) >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Andrew Shooner >>> To: The Think Tank >>> Cc: >>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:57:27 -0500 >>> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >>> preconceptions >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the >>> shop. >>> >>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>> but have never been invited. >>> >>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on >>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The >>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy = in >>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the >>> line? >>> >>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andy >>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: momoko saunders >>> To: The Think Tank >>> Cc: >>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:33:30 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >>> preconceptions >>> Andy, >>> >>> At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two >>> months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the >>> responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you >>> understand the rules of the shop. >>> >>> We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the >>> occasional person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain >>> outside, we haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we >>> nominate. >>> >>> For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. >>> He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, >>> and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who >>> gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I >>> would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no >>> problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be >>> appropriate. >>> >>> There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I >>> hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express >>> yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. >>> Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny >>> someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, n= ot >>> your assumptions. >>> >>> It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. >>> If after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out >>> with them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? >>> >>> It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is >>> that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to >>> operate. >>> >>> I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more >>> comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be >>> afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that >>> feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. >>> >>> Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. >>> -momoko >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the >>>> shop. >>>> >>>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather th= an >>>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>>> but have never been invited. >>>> >>>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on >>>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. T= he >>>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy= in >>>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the >>>> line? >>>> >>>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Andy >>>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>>> >>>> ____________________________________ >>>> >>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>>> >>> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: momoko saunders >>> To: The Think Tank >>> Cc: >>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:40:22 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >>> preconceptions >>> Oops, One last thing I forgot to say. >>> >>> One of the key reasons someone will be nominated for a key is to hold a >>> shift. We require two key holders for every shift. If the person has been >>> coming regularly to their shift for two months, and there is a need for a >>> 2nd or 3rd key holder on the shift, this is the usual reason someone gets= a >>> key. So people don't get them just for showing up every once in a while f= or >>> two months. They have to show dedication! >>> >>> Coming to nearly every one of your shifts for 2 months is a requirement >>> that weeds out a lot of the less steady folks. This is a good litmus to >>> evaluate trust. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM, momoko saunders >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Andy, >>>> >>>> At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two >>>> months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the >>>> responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you >>>> understand the rules of the shop. >>>> >>>> We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the >>>> occasional person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain >>>> outside, we haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we >>>> nominate. >>>> >>>> For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. >>>> He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, >>>> and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who >>>> gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal.= I >>>> would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no >>>> problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be >>>> appropriate. >>>> >>>> There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I >>>> hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express >>>> yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. >>>> Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to de= ny >>>> someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, = not >>>> your assumptions. >>>> >>>> It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. >>>> If after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out >>>> with them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? >>>> >>>> It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is >>>> that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to >>>> operate. >>>> >>>> I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more >>>> comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be >>>> afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that >>>> feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. >>>> >>>> Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. >>>> -momoko >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>>>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>>>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>>>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>>>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>>>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>>>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>>>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from t= he >>>>> shop. >>>>> >>>>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>>>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>>>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>>>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather t= han >>>>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>>>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>>>> but have never been invited. >>>>> >>>>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>>>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>>>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: = on >>>>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>>>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. = The >>>>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>>>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>>>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>>>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>>>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>>>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworth= y in >>>>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw t= he >>>>> line? >>>>> >>>>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>>>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>>>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Andy >>>>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>>>> >>>> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-b >>> ikecollectives.org >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list > > > --===============7454457496291076372== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 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Well said. good things to consider. Jane Falls City Community BikeWorks, Louisville KY -----Original Message----- From: momoko saunders To: The Think Tank Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2017 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and preconce= ptions Andy, At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two months c= an lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the responsibility of th= e person who nominated you to ensure that you understand the rules of the sho= p.=20 We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional per= son sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we haven't = had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate.=20 For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. He's su= per dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, and someti= mes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who gets a key, an= d just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I would vote "no" = if this person came up for key nomination. I have no problems with letting pe= ople know why I don't think it would be appropriate.=20 There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I hope yo= u and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express yourselves. At the = same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. Economic status and or= past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny someone a key. Try to ba= se your conclusions on their present behaviour, not your assumptions.=20 It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If aft= er 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with them = more. Try being friends. What's their life like? It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is that = trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to operate. I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more comfortable= with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be afraid to expres= s if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that feeling of untrust is b= ased on their actions, and not stereotypes. Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work.=20 -momoko On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner wrote: Hi all,=20 Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our sho= p. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, with a = mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable everyone t= o do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been a social ser= vices campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an overnight shelter,= a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse rehab program. People fr= om that center use the shop frequently, and are probably the most common grou= p to earn bikes from the shop. =20 Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours consistentl= y for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can come in on your = own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop hours so you can vol= unteer. This has always been by invitation rather than an automatic 'upgrade'= . We have a small group of regular volunteers from the center some of whom wo= uld otherwise qualify for this type of access, but have never been invited.=20 We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to be = more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without speaki= ng for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, I hate = the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify them from = becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side of that is t= hat severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can have a serious in= fluence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an individual charact= er judgement to be more cautious about access to our entire shop (~150 bikes,= 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole operation). But that lands you back = in a pretty categorically classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inhere= ntly less trustworthy in the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: = where do you draw the line? My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust is = worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as well= . Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! 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Jane, Falls City Community BikeWorks, Louisville KY -----Original Message----- From: Heather Nugen To: thethinktank Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2017 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and preconce= ptions Hey Andrew, it sounds to me like you and your collective might want to consider your crit= eria for key-holdership. If those criteria are not formalized, expressed, and= accessible, then people cannot work towards meeting those criteria, and you = have established an elite group of key holders that is inaccessible to the ma= jority of your organizations membership base. That will result in the people = who "lead" the organization eventually not being representative of the popula= tion your organization (presumably) exists to serve.=20 I don't think that "showing up for x # of hours over x period of time," sound= s like it is adequate criteria for someone to be given access, which means th= ere are other (likely currently unstated) criteria that determine whether som= eone is worthy of the privilege of a key. Rather than ask people to just be m= ore trusting, I would consider doing an activity that names the other criteri= a (as well as consequences for violating norms), and then make them available= generally. This allows people to demonstrate their abilities to meet those c= riteria-- regardless of income, housing, or addiction history.=20 -Heather On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:12 PM, wrote: Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollec= tives.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions (Andrew Shooner) 2. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions (momoko saunders) 3. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions (momoko saunders) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andrew Shooner To: The Think Tank Cc:=20 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:57:27 -0500 Subject: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptio= ns Hi all,=20 Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our sho= p. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, with a = mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable everyone t= o do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been a social ser= vices campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an overnight shelter,= a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse rehab program. People fr= om that center use the shop frequently, and are probably the most common grou= p to earn bikes from the shop. =20 Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours consistentl= y for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can come in on your = own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop hours so you can vol= unteer. This has always been by invitation rather than an automatic 'upgrade'= . We have a small group of regular volunteers from the center some of whom wo= uld otherwise qualify for this type of access, but have never been invited.=20 We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to be = more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without speaki= ng for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, I hate = the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify them from = becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side of that is t= hat severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can have a serious in= fluence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an individual charact= er judgement to be more cautious about access to our entire shop (~150 bikes,= 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole operation). But that lands you back = in a pretty categorically classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inhere= ntly less trustworthy in the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: = where do you draw the line? My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust is = worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as well= . Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! Thanks,=20 Andy=20 Broke Spoke, Lexington KY ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: momoko saunders To: The Think Tank Cc:=20 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:33:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and preconce= ptions Andy, At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two months c= an lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the responsibility of th= e person who nominated you to ensure that you understand the rules of the sho= p.=20 We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional per= son sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we haven't = had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate.=20 For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. He's su= per dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, and someti= mes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who gets a key, an= d just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I would vote "no" = if this person came up for key nomination. I have no problems with letting pe= ople know why I don't think it would be appropriate.=20 There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I hope yo= u and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express yourselves. At the = same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. Economic status and or= past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny someone a key. Try to ba= se your conclusions on their present behaviour, not your assumptions.=20 It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If aft= er 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with them = more. Try being friends. What's their life like? It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is that = trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to operate. I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more comfortable= with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be afraid to expres= s if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that feeling of untrust is b= ased on their actions, and not stereotypes. Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work.=20 -momoko On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner wrote: Hi all,=20 Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our sho= p. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, with a = mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable everyone t= o do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been a social ser= vices campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an overnight shelter,= a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse rehab program. People fr= om that center use the shop frequently, and are probably the most common grou= p to earn bikes from the shop. =20 Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours consistentl= y for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can come in on your = own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop hours so you can vol= unteer. This has always been by invitation rather than an automatic 'upgrade'= . We have a small group of regular volunteers from the center some of whom wo= uld otherwise qualify for this type of access, but have never been invited.=20 We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to be = more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without speaki= ng for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, I hate = the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify them from = becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side of that is t= hat severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can have a serious in= fluence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an individual charact= er judgement to be more cautious about access to our entire shop (~150 bikes,= 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole operation). But that lands you back = in a pretty categorically classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inhere= ntly less trustworthy in the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: = where do you draw the line? My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust is = worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as well= . Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! Thanks,=20 Andy=20 Broke Spoke, Lexington KY ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: momoko saunders To: The Think Tank Cc:=20 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:40:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and preconce= ptions Oops, One last thing I forgot to say. One of the key reasons someone will be nominated for a key is to hold a shift= . We require two key holders for every shift. If the person has been coming r= egularly to their shift for two months, and there is a need for a 2nd or 3rd = key holder on the shift, this is the usual reason someone gets a key. So peop= le don't get them just for showing up every once in a while for two months. T= hey have to show dedication! Coming to nearly every one of your shifts for 2 months is a requirement that = weeds out a lot of the less steady folks. This is a good litmus to evaluate t= rust.=20 On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM, momoko saunders wr= ote: Andy, At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two months c= an lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the responsibility of th= e person who nominated you to ensure that you understand the rules of the sho= p.=20 We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional per= son sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we haven't = had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate.=20 For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. He's su= per dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, and someti= mes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who gets a key, an= d just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I would vote "no" = if this person came up for key nomination. I have no problems with letting pe= ople know why I don't think it would be appropriate.=20 There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I hope yo= u and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express yourselves. At the = same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. Economic status and or= past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny someone a key. Try to ba= se your conclusions on their present behaviour, not your assumptions.=20 It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If aft= er 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with them = more. Try being friends. What's their life like? It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is that = trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to operate. I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more comfortable= with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be afraid to expres= s if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that feeling of untrust is b= ased on their actions, and not stereotypes. Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work.=20 -momoko On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner wrote: Hi all,=20 Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our sho= p. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, with a = mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable everyone t= o do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been a social ser= vices campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an overnight shelter,= a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse rehab program. People fr= om that center use the shop frequently, and are probably the most common grou= p to earn bikes from the shop. =20 Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours consistentl= y for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can come in on your = own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop hours so you can vol= unteer. This has always been by invitation rather than an automatic 'upgrade'= . We have a small group of regular volunteers from the center some of whom wo= uld otherwise qualify for this type of access, but have never been invited.=20 We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to be = more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without speaki= ng for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, I hate = the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify them from = becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side of that is t= hat severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can have a serious in= fluence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an individual charact= er judgement to be more cautious about access to our entire shop (~150 bikes,= 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole operation). But that lands you back = in a pretty categorically classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inhere= ntly less trustworthy in the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: = where do you draw the line? My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust is = worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as well= . Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! 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+1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3Cmailman=2E0=2E1487106734=2E28520=2Ethethinktank-bi?= =?utf-8?q?kecollectives=2Eorg=40lists=2Ebikecollectives=2Eorg=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3195971690374654847==" --===============3195971690374654847== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re:Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions. At Back2Bikes we do not have a specific period before someone gets keyholder rights but the person must show that they can be relied upon to turn up regularly over several months. We have had in the past a couple of keyholders with psychiatric / possible substance abuse issues. In one case it worked out fine and in the other there were question marks over possible missing money or more likely parts. However, at another non profit I was involved in a large amount of money was embezzled by a person who to all appearances was already well off. My thoughts are that it is just as likely that dishonesty can come from people of any class and that keyholder privileges should be given on the basis of the individuals character, not their social background or the fact that they may be currently going through a difficult period in their lives, In fact keyholder rights in some circumstances can help some individuals increase their sense of self worth and lead to positive outcomes in that persons life. We did run a second location for a year in the premises of an organisation which offered cheap meals and attempted to find disadvantaged people jobs and housing. In this location the workshop could not be left unlocked at all due to the clients who were not attending the workshop picking up anything that was not bolted down. I think that really is a greater problem than people who are making an effort to be involved. Geoff Back2Bikes Port Melbourne Australia On 15 February 2017 at 08:12, < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions > (Andrew Shooner) > 2. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions > (momoko saunders) > 3. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions > (momoko saunders) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Andrew Shooner > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:57:27 -0500 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and > preconceptions > Hi all, > > Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our > shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, > with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable > everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been > a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an > overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse > rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are > probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. > > Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours > consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can > come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop > hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than > an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from > the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, > but have never been invited. > > We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to > be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without > speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, > I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify > them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side > of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can > have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an > individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our > entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole > operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist > conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the > shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? > > My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust > is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as > well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > Andy > Broke Spoke, Lexington KY > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: momoko saunders > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:33:30 -0800 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and > preconceptions > Andy, > > At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two > months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the > responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you > understand the rules of the shop. > > We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional > person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we > haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate. > > For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. He's > super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, and > sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who gets a > key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I would > vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no problems > with letting people know why I don't think it would be appropriate. > > There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I hope > you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express yourselves. At > the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. Economic status > and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny someone a key. > Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, not your > assumptions. > > It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If > after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with > them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? > > It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is > that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to > operate. > > I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more > comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be > afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that > feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. > > Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. > -momoko > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our >> shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, >> with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable >> everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been >> a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an >> overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse >> rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are >> probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. >> >> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >> but have never been invited. >> >> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to >> be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without >> speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, >> I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify >> them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side >> of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can >> have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an >> individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our >> entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole >> operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist >> conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the >> shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? >> >> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust >> is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as >> well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: momoko saunders > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:40:22 -0800 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and > preconceptions > Oops, One last thing I forgot to say. > > One of the key reasons someone will be nominated for a key is to hold a > shift. We require two key holders for every shift. If the person has been > coming regularly to their shift for two months, and there is a need for a > 2nd or 3rd key holder on the shift, this is the usual reason someone gets a > key. So people don't get them just for showing up every once in a while for > two months. They have to show dedication! > > Coming to nearly every one of your shifts for 2 months is a requirement > that weeds out a lot of the less steady folks. This is a good litmus to > evaluate trust. > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM, momoko saunders > wrote: > >> Andy, >> >> At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two >> months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the >> responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you >> understand the rules of the shop. >> >> We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the occasional >> person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain outside, we >> haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we nominate. >> >> For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. >> He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, >> and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who >> gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal. I >> would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no >> problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be >> appropriate. >> >> There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I >> hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express >> yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. >> Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to deny >> someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, not >> your assumptions. >> >> It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. If >> after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out with >> them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? >> >> It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is >> that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to >> operate. >> >> I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more >> comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be >> afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that >> feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. >> >> Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. >> -momoko >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the >>> shop. >>> >>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>> but have never been invited. >>> >>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on >>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The >>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy = in >>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the >>> line? >>> >>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andy >>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > > --===============3195971690374654847== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+UmU6PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMi44cHgiPkJpZyBxdWVz dGlvbnMgYWJvdXQgdHJ1c3QsIGNsYXNzaXNtLCBhbmQgcHJlY29uY2VwdGlvbnMuPC9zcGFuPjxk aXY+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMi44cHgiPjxicj48L3NwYW4+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj48 c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1zaXplOjEyLjhweCI+QXQgQmFjazJCaWtlcyB3ZSBkbyBub3QgaGF2 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the thoughts so far. My natural preference is, like Heather recommended, to have all of it formalized and accessible; so everyone is on the same page, and there isn't conscious or unconscious exclusion from the process - we're all accountable to it. Pulling together an activity to clarify those tests our current managers are applying (maybe subconsciously) sounds like a great start - we're actually having a retreat this weekend where we might try that out. But. Trust is often nuanced and ineffable, it's not necessarily checkboxes on a list to tick. I feel like it's worth erring on the side of the checkboxes, rather than erring on the side of biased exclusion, but I appreciate the opposite viewpoint. I also appreciate the issue of cliques, and I think that those in them can often be oblivious to their existence. On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:30 PM, DancesWithCars wrote: > From long ago substance abuse training, > even sponsoring and recovery housing > (Oxford House like) much less holding group > officer positions has requirements > of clean and sober and/or recovery time > to make coffee for meeting (usually takes > a church/facility key) > > Celebrations of time, anniversary meetings > are an important way of passing on what it > was like, what was learned along the way, > and hope for the future... (read built in training > with sober celebrationing called pass it on, iirc) > > Clichishness (sp?), gossip, rumors, > and even Politic$, besides religiosity > (my religion is better than yours because > x,y,z...) can tear people and organizations > apart. Look at 12 Step Traditions for > what has worked for them, at least in writing... > What people do and what policy and procedures > say can be two different things, but some > Process of resolving, conflict resolution > Alpha is stepping down until has more time, > graduates , travel schedule, the kids, etc, > and we have an open time slot that needs > keyholders in a friendly community meeting... > > Of the bike orgs I've been involved with, > three or four plus advocacy, some were > friendly and helpful, some had are we are > _insert title_/ staff/board, you are bad > attitude, and several exec directors later > some of that hasn't changed, so I spend > my time elsewhere, mostly. Power can > be group reward/recognition, but also > abused, and futher bullying... > > Rules where youth and kids may be involved > may be more strict and need to be formalized, > not that adults don't try to mess with the rules > for desired results... > > Hanging out with someone to get a feeling of > trustworthiness seems disingenuous to me, > Approachable type personalities and > comfortableness with technical and/or > vulnerable people may be why they might > want time alone in the shop, just bikes and tools, > No people. (Dogs & cats maybe, if safe) > Why many own garages, afaict. > But many others can't afford their own. > > Having security cameras for safety might help. > Remote monitoring/buddying probably best, > like I'd sponsor /nominate x, if can observe, > and watch out for from home > with y as a backup overload/big brother/sister, > if traveling, need to go to bed, turn over to z, > who burns the midnight oil as a retiree/swingshift > / whatever etc. > > Your local community may be the best judge > of who gets keys, just WAG (Wild Ass Guesses)... > Or more P.C., my $0.02 - inflation. > > > > On Feb 14, 2017 6:38 PM, "momoko saunders" wrote: > >> Heather, >> >> I agree with what you are saying and I'm grateful you brought up those >> points. I think my way of perceiving situations like this relies too >> heavily on nuance, and makes Bike Farm less accessible. >> >> What I realize is that it forces core volunteers of BF to be friends. >> Which can't always be possible. >> >> These aspects of the policy feel clear. >> >> - Show up consistently to your chosen shift. >> - Abide by and enforce the safer space agreement. >> - Fill a need of the shop. >> >> >> The last part of the equation is not so easy to concretely describe. >> >> - Your behaviour in the shop off hours will appropriately represent Bike >> Farm. >> - You have the skills to handle the strange situations that come up at >> Bike Farm. >> >> >> Do you think that's clear? >> It still puts the people in the meeting as judges. I'm unsure if someone >> would feel empowered to work towards vague goals like this. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Heather Nugen wrote: >> >>> Hey Andrew, >>> >>> it sounds to me like you and your collective might want to consider your >>> criteria for key-holdership. If those criteria are not formalized, >>> expressed, and accessible, then people cannot work towards meeting those >>> criteria, and you have established an elite group of key holders that is >>> inaccessible to the majority of your organizations membership base. That >>> will result in the people who "lead" the organization eventually not being >>> representative of the population your organization (presumably) exists to >>> serve. >>> >>> I don't think that "showing up for x # of hours over x period of time," >>> sounds like it is adequate criteria for someone to be given access, which >>> means there are other (likely currently unstated) criteria that determine >>> whether someone is worthy of the privilege of a key. Rather than ask peop= le >>> to just be more trusting, I would consider doing an activity that names t= he >>> other criteria (as well as consequences for violating norms), and then ma= ke >>> them available generally. This allows people to demonstrate their abiliti= es >>> to meet those criteria-- regardless of income, housing, or addiction >>> history. >>> -Heather >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:12 PM, >> kecollectives.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to >>>> thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-b >>>> ikecollectives.org >>>> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >>>> (Andrew Shooner) >>>> 2. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >>>> (momoko saunders) >>>> 3. Re: Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions >>>> (momoko saunders) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Andrew Shooner >>>> To: The Think Tank >>>> Cc: >>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:57:27 -0500 >>>> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >>>> preconceptions >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the >>>> shop. >>>> >>>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather th= an >>>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>>> but have never been invited. >>>> >>>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on >>>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. T= he >>>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy= in >>>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the >>>> line? >>>> >>>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Andy >>>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: momoko saunders >>>> To: The Think Tank >>>> Cc: >>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:33:30 -0800 >>>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >>>> preconceptions >>>> Andy, >>>> >>>> At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two >>>> months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the >>>> responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you >>>> understand the rules of the shop. >>>> >>>> We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the >>>> occasional person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain >>>> outside, we haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we >>>> nominate. >>>> >>>> For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. >>>> He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencies, >>>> and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who >>>> gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal.= I >>>> would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no >>>> problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be >>>> appropriate. >>>> >>>> There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I >>>> hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express >>>> yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reasons. >>>> Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to de= ny >>>> someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour, = not >>>> your assumptions. >>>> >>>> It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. >>>> If after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out >>>> with them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? >>>> >>>> It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality is >>>> that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ours to >>>> operate. >>>> >>>> I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more >>>> comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be >>>> afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that >>>> feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. >>>> >>>> Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. >>>> -momoko >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>>>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>>>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>>>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>>>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>>>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>>>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>>>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from t= he >>>>> shop. >>>>> >>>>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>>>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>>>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>>>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather t= han >>>>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>>>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>>>> but have never been invited. >>>>> >>>>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>>>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>>>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: = on >>>>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>>>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. = The >>>>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>>>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>>>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>>>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>>>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>>>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworth= y in >>>>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw t= he >>>>> line? >>>>> >>>>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>>>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>>>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Andy >>>>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>>>> >>>> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: momoko saunders >>>> To: The Think Tank >>>> Cc: >>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:40:22 -0800 >>>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and >>>> preconceptions >>>> Oops, One last thing I forgot to say. >>>> >>>> One of the key reasons someone will be nominated for a key is to hold a >>>> shift. We require two key holders for every shift. If the person has been >>>> coming regularly to their shift for two months, and there is a need for a >>>> 2nd or 3rd key holder on the shift, this is the usual reason someone get= s a >>>> key. So people don't get them just for showing up every once in a while = for >>>> two months. They have to show dedication! >>>> >>>> Coming to nearly every one of your shifts for 2 months is a requirement >>>> that weeds out a lot of the less steady folks. This is a good litmus to >>>> evaluate trust. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM, momoko saunders >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Andy, >>>>> >>>>> At Bike Farm we have a similar policy. Volunteering for a steady two >>>>> months can lead to a key. You have to be nominated, and it's the >>>>> responsibility of the person who nominated you to ensure that you >>>>> understand the rules of the shop. >>>>> >>>>> We've had a number houseless folks be key holders. Besides the >>>>> occasional person sleeping at the shop when it's pouring freezing rain >>>>> outside, we haven't had any issues. But we are still selective of who we >>>>> nominate. >>>>> >>>>> For example, there's a fellow who's been volunteering for months now. >>>>> He's super dedicated. But honestly, he displays some paranoid tendencie= s, >>>>> and sometimes get's into verbal altercations with others. We vote on who >>>>> gets a key, and just like all our decisions, anyone can veto a proposal= . I >>>>> would vote "no" if this person came up for key nomination. I have no >>>>> problems with letting people know why I don't think it would be >>>>> appropriate. >>>>> >>>>> There are a ton of valid reasons to object to someone's nomination. I >>>>> hope you and other volunteers feel comfortable enough to express >>>>> yourselves. At the same time, there are no rules for those valid reason= s. >>>>> Economic status and or past drug use, to me, are not valid reasons to d= eny >>>>> someone a key. Try to base your conclusions on their present behaviour,= not >>>>> your assumptions. >>>>> >>>>> It's lucky you get 4 months of time to observe the person in the shop. >>>>> If after 4 months, you're still not sure if you can trust them, hang out >>>>> with them more. Try being friends. What's their life like? >>>>> >>>>> It seems like you're searching for a rule to follow, but the reality >>>>> is that trust is something we develop. Trust is vital for shops like ou= rs >>>>> to operate. >>>>> >>>>> I think if you really got to know the person, you would feel more >>>>> comfortable with trusting them with a key to the shop. You shouldn't be >>>>> afraid to express if you don't trust someone. But one would hope that >>>>> feeling of untrust is based on their actions, and not stereotypes. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck! Being accepting and conscientious isn't easy work. >>>>> -momoko >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Shooner >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>>>>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>>>>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, a= nd >>>>>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our communi= ty >>>>>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>>>>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>>>>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>>>>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from = the >>>>>> shop. >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>>>>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>>>>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open sh= op >>>>>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather = than >>>>>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers fr= om >>>>>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of acces= s, >>>>>> but have never been invited. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop >>>>>> volunteerism to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addre= ssing >>>>>> this. Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own >>>>>> thoughts: on one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general econom= ic >>>>>> status could disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of o= ur >>>>>> community. The other side of that is that severe economic stress or a >>>>>> substance abuse problem can have a serious influence on someone's beha= vior, >>>>>> and it isn't necessarily an individual character judgement to be more >>>>>> cautious about access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power >>>>>> tools, etc - our whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty >>>>>> categorically classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently = less >>>>>> trustworthy in the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: whe= re do >>>>>> you draw the line? >>>>>> >>>>>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>>>>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>>>>> perspective as well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >>>>>> >>>>>> ____________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>>>>> >>>>> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Thethinktank mailing list >>>> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-b >>>> ikecollectives.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >> ank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >>> >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list > > > 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[TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 08:20:50 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6650187653640824891==" --===============6650187653640824891== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andy, I haven't run across this problem in context of a bike shop, but we had a similar issue when my friends and I were running an infoshop. Even having keys for our core voulenteers became too much of an issue. We were all trust worthy and worked well together, but at one point we had 15 keys floating around with no accountability. No one knew who had one, who had been copying them, or what was expected of the people who held them. A few things I've realized from revisiting that experience: Limit the number of keys. A policy that grants a key to anyone who puts in enough time will eventually create so many keys that it will become pointless to have a lock at all. If a person is trustworthy enough to access the shop in the off hours then they ought to be connected enough to get in touch with someone who can open the shop for them or loan them a key for the day. Find some way to disconnect key holding from status in the organization. This essentialy has to do with the culture of your shop and how being a keyholder is perceived. Sounds like right now having a key equates to a privelaged status and you're looking for ways to open that up. If you can find a way to make key holding more of a responsibility than a privelage, less people will want to do it. The most obvious thing I can think of is a requirement that key holders must staff a set number of shifts every week or month, and a minimum of organizational meetings. Maybe yall can think of others. A requirement that key holders clean the bathrooms comes to mind. This also creates a situation where key holders, regardless of background, become more trustworthy due to their time and energy investment in the shop. Finally I would add that if enough people are needing to access the shop during off hours then perhaps it's time to consider expanding your open hours to reflect this rather than expanding the elite circle who are allowed to use the shop at any time. The best models I've seen so far have included a distinction between open shops where anyone can work on anything and voulenteer shops where people only work on shop projects. This frees up time for personal projects for the people who would otherwise spend all of their shop time voulenteering, and makes it a little more clear who's putting time and energy back into the shop. I hope that all came across all right. Obviously it's not all the solutions to your specific situation, but maybe it can be some useful things to consider. Best wishes for yall trying to work this out, it can be a thorny one. -UGG Spokes N Folks, Springfield, MO On Feb 14, 2017 11:57 AM, "Andrew Shooner" wrote: > Hi all, > > Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our > shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, > with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable > everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been > a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an > overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse > rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are > probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. > > Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours > consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can > come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop > hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than > an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from > the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, > but have never been invited. > > We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to > be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without > speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, > I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify > them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side > of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can > have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an > individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our > entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole > operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist > conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the > shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? > > My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust > is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as > well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > Andy > Broke Spoke, Lexington KY > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list > > > --===============6650187653640824891== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPkhpIEFuZHksPGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGRp cj0iYXV0byI+SSBoYXZlbiYjMzk7dCBydW4gYWNyb3NzIHRoaXMgcHJvYmxlbSBpbiBjb250ZXh0 IG9mIGEgYmlrZSBzaG9wLCBidXQgd2UgaGFkIGEgc2ltaWxhciBpc3N1ZSB3aGVuIG15IGZyaWVu ZHMgYW5kIEkgd2VyZSBydW5uaW5nIGFuIGluZm9zaG9wLiBFdmVuIGhhdmluZyBrZXlzIGZvciBv dXIgY29yZSB2b3VsZW50ZWVycyBiZWNhbWUgdG9vIG11Y2ggb2YgYW4gaXNzdWUuIFdlIHdlcmUg YWxsIHRydXN0IHdvcnRoeSBhbmQgd29ya2VkIHdlbGwgdG9nZXRoZXIsIGJ1dCBhdCBvbmUgcG9p bnQgd2UgaGFkIDE1IGtleXMgZmxvYXRpbmcgYXJvdW5kIHdpdGggbm8gYWNjb3VudGFiaWxpdHku IE5vIG9uZSBrbmV3IHdobyBoYWQgb25lLCB3aG8gaGFkIGJlZW4gY29weWluZyB0aGVtLCBvciB3 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In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1022470585264245998==" --===============1022470585264245998== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good insights.=20 Thanks, Jane Halliday Falls City Community BikeWorks, Louisville KY -----Original Message----- From: Spokes 'N Folks To: The Think Tank Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2017 11:21 am Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and preconce= ptions Hi Andy, I haven't run across this problem in context of a bike shop, but we had a sim= ilar issue when my friends and I were running an infoshop. Even having keys f= or our core voulenteers became too much of an issue. We were all trust worthy= and worked well together, but at one point we had 15 keys floating around wi= th no accountability. No one knew who had one, who had been copying them, or = what was expected of the people who held them.=20 A few things I've realized from revisiting that experience: Limit the number of keys. A policy that grants a key to anyone who puts in en= ough time will eventually create so many keys that it will become pointless t= o have a lock at all. If a person is trustworthy enough to access the shop in= the off hours then they ought to be connected enough to get in touch with so= meone who can open the shop for them or loan them a key for the day.=20 Find some way to disconnect key holding from status in the organization. Thi= s essentialy has to do with the culture of your shop and how being a keyholde= r is perceived. Sounds like right now having a key equates to a privelaged st= atus and you're looking for ways to open that up. If you can find a way to ma= ke key holding more of a responsibility than a privelage, less people will wa= nt to do it. The most obvious thing I can think of is a requirement that key = holders must staff a set number of shifts every week or month, and a minimum = of organizational meetings. Maybe yall can think of others. A requirement tha= t key holders clean the bathrooms comes to mind. This also creates a situatio= n where key holders, regardless of background, become more trustworthy due to= their time and energy investment in the shop. Finally I would add that if enough people are needing to access the shop duri= ng off hours then perhaps it's time to consider expanding your open hours to = reflect this rather than expanding the elite circle who are allowed to use th= e shop at any time. The best models I've seen so far have included a distinct= ion between open shops where anyone can work on anything and voulenteer shops= where people only work on shop projects. This frees up time for personal pro= jects for the people who would otherwise spend all of their shop time voulent= eering, and makes it a little more clear who's putting time and energy back i= nto the shop. I hope that all came across all right. Obviously it's not all the solutions t= o your specific situation, but maybe it can be some useful things to consider= .=20 Best wishes for yall trying to work this out, it can be a thorny one. -UGG Spokes N Folks, Springfield, MO=20 On Feb 14, 2017 11:57 AM, "Andrew Shooner" wrote: Hi all,=20 Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our sho= p. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, with a = mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable everyone t= o do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been a social ser= vices campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an overnight shelter,= a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse rehab program. People fr= om that center use the shop frequently, and are probably the most common grou= p to earn bikes from the shop. =20 Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours consistentl= y for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can come in on your = own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop hours so you can vol= unteer. This has always been by invitation rather than an automatic 'upgrade'= . We have a small group of regular volunteers from the center some of whom wo= uld otherwise qualify for this type of access, but have never been invited.=20 We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to be = more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without speaki= ng for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, I hate = the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify them from = becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side of that is t= hat severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can have a serious in= fluence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an individual charact= er judgement to be more cautious about access to our entire shop (~150 bikes,= 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole operation). But that lands you back = in a pretty categorically classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inhere= ntly less trustworthy in the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: = where do you draw the line? My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust is = worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as well= . Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! 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Everyone gets their own unique code, all codes are reset after 6-12months and reissued at a regularly-scheduled meeting to everyone still currently identified as a core keyholder. On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Spokes 'N Folks wrote: > Hi Andy, > > I haven't run across this problem in context of a bike shop, but we had a > similar issue when my friends and I were running an infoshop. Even having > keys for our core voulenteers became too much of an issue. We were all > trust worthy and worked well together, but at one point we had 15 keys > floating around with no accountability. No one knew who had one, who had > been copying them, or what was expected of the people who held them. > > A few things I've realized from revisiting that experience: > > Limit the number of keys. A policy that grants a key to anyone who puts in > enough time will eventually create so many keys that it will become > pointless to have a lock at all. If a person is trustworthy enough to > access the shop in the off hours then they ought to be connected enough to > get in touch with someone who can open the shop for them or loan them a key > for the day. > > Find some way to disconnect key holding from status in the organization. > This essentialy has to do with the culture of your shop and how being a > keyholder is perceived. Sounds like right now having a key equates to a > privelaged status and you're looking for ways to open that up. If you can > find a way to make key holding more of a responsibility than a privelage, > less people will want to do it. The most obvious thing I can think of is a > requirement that key holders must staff a set number of shifts every week > or month, and a minimum of organizational meetings. Maybe yall can think of > others. A requirement that key holders clean the bathrooms comes to mind. > This also creates a situation where key holders, regardless of background, > become more trustworthy due to their time and energy investment in the shop. > > Finally I would add that if enough people are needing to access the shop > during off hours then perhaps it's time to consider expanding your open > hours to reflect this rather than expanding the elite circle who are > allowed to use the shop at any time. The best models I've seen so far have > included a distinction between open shops where anyone can work on anything > and voulenteer shops where people only work on shop projects. This frees up > time for personal projects for the people who would otherwise spend all of > their shop time voulenteering, and makes it a little more clear who's > putting time and energy back into the shop. > > I hope that all came across all right. Obviously it's not all the > solutions to your specific situation, but maybe it can be some useful > things to consider. > > Best wishes for yall trying to work this out, it can be a thorny one. > > -UGG > Spokes N Folks, Springfield, MO > > On Feb 14, 2017 11:57 AM, "Andrew Shooner" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for our >> shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike shop, >> with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and enable >> everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community has been >> a social services campus nearby which includes long-term residency, an >> overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential substance abuse >> rehab program. People from that center use the shop frequently, and are >> probably the most common group to earn bikes from the shop. >> >> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >> but have never been invited. >> >> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism to >> be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. Without >> speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on one hand, >> I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could disqualify >> them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The other side >> of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse problem can >> have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't necessarily an >> individual character judgement to be more cautious about access to our >> entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our whole >> operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically classist >> conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy in the >> shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the line? >> >> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that trust >> is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious perspective as >> well. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> Broke Spoke, Lexington KY >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list > > > --===============8852985833264452994== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+TXkgcHJlZmVycmVkIGFwcHJvYWNoIG9uIHRoZSBrZXlob2xkaW5nIGlz c3VlIGlzIHRvIGluc3RhbGwgYSBudW1iZXIgcGFkIGFuZCBpc3N1ZSBjb2RlcyBldmVyeSA2IG1v bnRocy7CoCBFdmVyeW9uZSBnZXRzIHRoZWlyIG93biB1bmlxdWUgY29kZSwgYWxsIGNvZGVzIGFy ZSByZXNldCBhZnRlciA2LTEybW9udGhzIGFuZCByZWlzc3VlZCBhdCBhIHJlZ3VsYXJseS1zY2hl ZHVsZWQgbWVldGluZyB0byBldmVyeW9uZSBzdGlsbCBjdXJyZW50bHkgaWRlbnRpZmllZCBhcyBh IGNvcmUga2V5aG9sZGVyLjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9leHRyYSI+PGJyPjxk 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is that the unclear criteria set it up so that current folks making decisions about new core volunteers are in a position to "judge" incoming members which might dissuade new members. I think that's accurate, but to some extent, we're all judging and being judged all the time (it's not necessarily a bad thing). I think having the criteria be vague and numinous is what makes any process of judgement/evaluation tip towards the unfair/exclusionary. So, what I recommend you all try to do is spend time outlining these a little bit: "Your behaviour in the shop off hours will appropriately represent Bike Farm." - What kind of behavior is appropriate? this doesn't need to be a laundry list, even coming up with 'values' level words (ethical, honest, kind etc) will help people understand what is and is not acceptable. A Bike Farm code of ethics would go a long way towards laying this out (those are usually 1 page or less!) "You have the skills to handle the strange situations that come up at Bike Farm." - what are those skills? Conflict resolution? Desecalation? Loss Prevention? Hands off teaching? - If someone doesn't have them, are there resources Bike Farm knows about/can recommend for folks to learn/practice if they are interested? - is there a way to help interested/incoming folks self assess their skill level with those things and support them in their development/growth? I really think reframing this similarly to the questions of mechanic skills-- and how to evaluate who has and doesn't have them, and how to handle that-- bike co-ops are teaching people all kinds of mechanics all the time, usually in this really awesome, incredibly calm and welcoming non-judgmental kind of way. That's not just haphazard! That's systematized, cultural, and it's usually intentional, and you can apply that kind of teaching philosophy to anything your org/group thinks it's important for people to know. Those questions might seem vague, hard, or weird to answer, but I really think it will make things a lot more accessible and transparent, which in the long run, will make your processes more equitable. --===============9032165552980274742== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+SGV5IE1vbW9rbyw8ZGl2PlRoaXMgbWlnaHQgYmUgYmV0dGVyIHRvIHRh Y2tsZSBzZXBlcmF0ZWx5IGluIGEgMS1vbi0xIHRocmVhZCBidXQgSSB0aGluayB3aGF0IEkmIzM5 O20gaGVhcmluZyBpcyB0aGF0IHRoZSB1bmNsZWFyIGNyaXRlcmlhIHNldCBpdCB1cCBzbyB0aGF0 IGN1cnJlbnQgZm9sa3MgbWFraW5nIGRlY2lzaW9ucyBhYm91dCBuZXcgY29yZSB2b2x1bnRlZXJz IGFyZSBpbiBhIHBvc2l0aW9uIHRvICZxdW90O2p1ZGdlJnF1b3Q7IGluY29taW5nIG1lbWJlcnMg d2hpY2ggbWlnaHQgZGlzc3VhZGUgbmV3IG1lbWJlcnMuIEkgdGhpbmsgdGhhdCYjMzk7cyBhY2N1 cmF0ZSwgYnV0IHRvIHNvbWUgZXh0ZW50LCB3ZSYjMzk7cmUgYWxsIGp1ZGdpbmcgYW5kIGJlaW5n IGp1ZGdlZCBhbGwgdGhlIHRpbWUgKGl0JiMzOTtzIG5vdCBuZWNlc3NhcmlseSBhIGJhZCB0aGlu ZykuIEkgdGhpbmsgaGF2aW5nIHRoZSBjcml0ZXJpYSBiZSB2YWd1ZSBhbmQgbnVtaW5vdXMgaXMg d2hhdCBtYWtlcyBhbnkgcHJvY2VzcyBvZiBqdWRnZW1lbnQvZXZhbHVhdGlvbiB0aXAgdG93YXJk cyB0aGUgdW5mYWlyL2V4Y2x1c2lvbmFyeS7CoDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+U28s IHdoYXQgSSByZWNvbW1lbmQgeW91IGFsbCB0cnkgdG8gZG8gaXMgc3BlbmQgdGltZSBvdXRsaW5p bmcgdGhlc2UgYSBsaXR0bGUgYml0OjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGRpdiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1zaXplOjEy LjhweCI+JnF1b3Q7WW91ciBiZWhhdmlvdXIgaW4gdGhlIHNob3Agb2ZmIGhvdXJzIHdpbGwgYXBw cm9wcmlhdGVseSByZXByZXNlbnQgQmlrZSBGYXJtLiZxdW90OzwvZGl2PjxkaXYgc3R5bGU9IiI+ PHVsIHN0eWxlPSIiPjxsaSBzdHlsZT0iIj48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1zaXplOjEyLjhweCI+ V2hhdCBraW5kIG9mIGJlaGF2aW9yIGlzIGFwcHJvcHJpYXRlPyB0aGlzIGRvZXNuJiMzOTt0IG5l ZWQgdG8gYmUgYSBsYXVuZHJ5IGxpc3QsIGV2ZW4gY29taW5nIHVwIHdpdGggJiMzOTt2YWx1ZXMm IzM5OyBsZXZlbCB3b3JkcyAoZXRoaWNhbCwgaG9uZXN0LCBraW5kIGV0Yykgd2lsbCBoZWxwIHBl b3BsZSB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIHdoYXQgaXMgYW5kIGlzIG5vdCBhY2NlcHRhYmxlLiBBIEJpa2UgRmFy bSBjb2RlIG9mIGV0aGljcyB3b3VsZCBnbyBhIGxvbmcgd2F5IHRvd2FyZHMgbGF5aW5nIHRoaXMg b3V0ICh0aG9zZSBhcmUgdXN1YWxseSAxIHBhZ2Ugb3IgbGVzcyEpPC9zcGFuPjwvbGk+PC91bD48 L2Rpdj48ZGl2IHN0eWxlPSJmb250LXNpemU6MTIuOHB4Ij4mcXVvdDtZb3UgaGF2ZSB0aGUgc2tp bGxzIHRvIGhhbmRsZSB0aGUgc3RyYW5nZSBzaXR1YXRpb25zIHRoYXQgY29tZSB1cCBhdCBCaWtl IEZhcm0uJnF1b3Q7PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+PGRpdiBzdHlsZT0iIj48dWwgc3R5bGU9IiI+PGxpIHN0 eWxlPSIiPjxzcGFuIHN0eWxlPSJmb250LXNpemU6MTIuOHB4Ij53aGF0IGFyZSB0aG9zZSBza2ls bHM/IENvbmZsaWN0IHJlc29sdXRpb24/IERlc2VjYWxhdGlvbj8gTG9zcyBQcmV2ZW50aW9uPyBI YW5kcyBvZmYgdGVhY2hpbmc/PC9zcGFuPjwvbGk+PGxpIHN0eWxlPSIiPjxzcGFuIHN0eWxlPSJm b250LXNpemU6MTIuOHB4Ij5JZiBzb21lb25lIGRvZXNuJiMzOTt0IGhhdmUgdGhlbSwgYXJlIHRo ZXJlIHJlc291cmNlcyBCaWtlIEZhcm0ga25vd3MgYWJvdXQvY2FuIHJlY29tbWVuZCBmb3IgZm9s a3MgdG8gbGVhcm4vcHJhY3RpY2UgaWYgdGhleSBhcmUgaW50ZXJlc3RlZD88L3NwYW4+PC9saT48 bGkgc3R5bGU9IiI+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMi44cHgiPmlzIHRoZXJlIGEgd2F5 IHRvIGhlbHAgaW50ZXJlc3RlZC9pbmNvbWluZyBmb2xrcyBzZWxmIGFzc2VzcyB0aGVpciBza2ls bCBsZXZlbCB3aXRoIHRob3NlIHRoaW5ncyBhbmQgc3VwcG9ydCB0aGVtIGluIHRoZWlyIGRldmVs b3BtZW50L2dyb3d0aD/CoDwvc3Bhbj48L2xpPjwvdWw+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZTox Mi44cHgiPkkgcmVhbGx5IHRoaW5rIHJlZnJhbWluZyB0aGlzIHNpbWlsYXJseSB0byB0aGUgcXVl c3Rpb25zIG9mIG1lY2hhbmljIHNraWxscy0tIGFuZCBob3cgdG8gZXZhbHVhdGUgd2hvIGhhcyBh bmQgZG9lc24mIzM5O3QgaGF2ZSB0aGVtLCBhbmQgaG93IHRvIGhhbmRsZSB0aGF0LS0gYmlrZSBj by1vcHMgYXJlIHRlYWNoaW5nIHBlb3BsZSBhbGwga2luZHMgb2YgbWVjaGFuaWNzIGFsbCB0aGUg dGltZSwgdXN1YWxseSBpbiB0aGlzIHJlYWxseSBhd2Vzb21lLCBpbmNyZWRpYmx5IGNhbG0gYW5k IHdlbGNvbWluZyBub24tanVkZ21lbnRhbDwvc3Bhbj48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1zaXplOjEy LjhweCI+wqBraW5kIG9mIHdheS4gVGhhdCYjMzk7cyBub3QganVzdCBoYXBoYXphcmQhIFRoYXQm IzM5O3Mgc3lzdGVtYXRpemVkPC9zcGFuPjxzcGFuIHN0eWxlPSJmb250LXNpemU6MTIuOHB4Ij4s IGN1bHR1cmFsLCBhbmQgaXQmIzM5O3MgdXN1YWxseSBpbnRlbnRpb25hbCwgYW5kIHlvdSBjYW4g YXBwbHkgdGhhdCBraW5kIG9mIHRlYWNoaW5nIHBoaWxvc29waHkgdG8gYW55dGhpbmcgeW91ciBv cmcvZ3JvdXAgdGhpbmtzIGl0JiMzOTtzIGltcG9ydGFudCBmb3IgcGVvcGxlIHRvIGtub3cuPC9z cGFuPjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IHN0eWxlPSIiPjxzcGFuIHN0eWxlPSJmb250LXNpemU6MTIuOHB4 Ij48YnI+PC9zcGFuPjwvZGl2PjxkaXYgc3R5bGU9IiI+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZTox Mi44cHgiPlRob3NlIHF1ZXN0aW9ucyBtaWdodCBzZWVtIHZhZ3VlLCBoYXJkLCBvciB3ZWlyZCB0 byBhbnN3ZXIsIGJ1dCBJIHJlYWxseSB0aGluayBpdCB3aWxsIG1ha2UgdGhpbmdzIGEgbG90IG1v cmUgYWNjZXNzaWJsZSBhbmQgdHJhbnNwYXJlbnQsIHdoaWNoIGluIHRoZSBsb25nIHJ1biwgd2ls bCBtYWtlIHlvdXIgcHJvY2Vzc2VzIG1vcmUgZXF1aXRhYmxlLsKgPC9zcGFuPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2 Pgo= --===============9032165552980274742==-- From ashooner@gmail.com Wed Feb 15 14:21:27 2017 From: Andrew Shooner To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Big questions about trust, classism, and preconceptions Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:21:25 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6700345342272546844==" --===============6700345342272546844== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, we had a really awesome RFID-based security system installed, so we can turn off anyone's key at any time, and we could even limit people to specific hours of access if we want to. On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Angel York wrote: > My preferred approach on the keyholding issue is to install a number pad > and issue codes every 6 months. Everyone gets their own unique code, all > codes are reset after 6-12months and reissued at a regularly-scheduled > meeting to everyone still currently identified as a core keyholder. > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Spokes 'N Folks < > spokesnfolkscoop(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Andy, >> >> I haven't run across this problem in context of a bike shop, but we had a >> similar issue when my friends and I were running an infoshop. Even having >> keys for our core voulenteers became too much of an issue. We were all >> trust worthy and worked well together, but at one point we had 15 keys >> floating around with no accountability. No one knew who had one, who had >> been copying them, or what was expected of the people who held them. >> >> A few things I've realized from revisiting that experience: >> >> Limit the number of keys. A policy that grants a key to anyone who puts >> in enough time will eventually create so many keys that it will become >> pointless to have a lock at all. If a person is trustworthy enough to >> access the shop in the off hours then they ought to be connected enough to >> get in touch with someone who can open the shop for them or loan them a key >> for the day. >> >> Find some way to disconnect key holding from status in the organization. >> This essentialy has to do with the culture of your shop and how being a >> keyholder is perceived. Sounds like right now having a key equates to a >> privelaged status and you're looking for ways to open that up. If you can >> find a way to make key holding more of a responsibility than a privelage, >> less people will want to do it. The most obvious thing I can think of is a >> requirement that key holders must staff a set number of shifts every week >> or month, and a minimum of organizational meetings. Maybe yall can think of >> others. A requirement that key holders clean the bathrooms comes to mind. >> This also creates a situation where key holders, regardless of background, >> become more trustworthy due to their time and energy investment in the sho= p. >> >> Finally I would add that if enough people are needing to access the shop >> during off hours then perhaps it's time to consider expanding your open >> hours to reflect this rather than expanding the elite circle who are >> allowed to use the shop at any time. The best models I've seen so far have >> included a distinction between open shops where anyone can work on anything >> and voulenteer shops where people only work on shop projects. This frees up >> time for personal projects for the people who would otherwise spend all of >> their shop time voulenteering, and makes it a little more clear who's >> putting time and energy back into the shop. >> >> I hope that all came across all right. Obviously it's not all the >> solutions to your specific situation, but maybe it can be some useful >> things to consider. >> >> Best wishes for yall trying to work this out, it can be a thorny one. >> >> -UGG >> Spokes N Folks, Springfield, MO >> >> On Feb 14, 2017 11:57 AM, "Andrew Shooner" wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Looking for some wisdom on what I think is a pretty deep question for >>> our shop. Quick background: Broke Spoke is a non-profit community bike >>> shop, with a mission to give everyone better access to better bikes, and >>> enable everyone to do their own maintenance. A big part of our community >>> has been a social services campus nearby which includes long-term >>> residency, an overnight shelter, a free cafeteria, and a residential >>> substance abuse rehab program. People from that center use the shop >>> frequently, and are probably the most common group to earn bikes from the >>> shop. >>> >>> Right now, once you regularly commit to a certain number of hours >>> consistently for 4 months, we provide you a key to the shop, so you can >>> come in on your own time to work on your own stuff and free up open shop >>> hours so you can volunteer. This has always been by invitation rather than >>> an automatic 'upgrade'. We have a small group of regular volunteers from >>> the center some of whom would otherwise qualify for this type of access, >>> but have never been invited. >>> >>> We're making an effort this winter to reorganize our shop volunteerism >>> to be more inclusive, and the discussion has led to addressing this. >>> Without speaking for others from the shop, I'll share my own thoughts: on >>> one hand, I hate the notion that someone's general economic status could >>> disqualify them from becoming a more involved member of our community. The >>> other side of that is that severe economic stress or a substance abuse >>> problem can have a serious influence on someone's behavior, and it isn't >>> necessarily an individual character judgement to be more cautious about >>> access to our entire shop (~150 bikes, 8 stands, power tools, etc - our >>> whole operation). But that lands you back in a pretty categorically >>> classist conclusion that poor(er) people are inherently less trustworthy = in >>> the shop. I also don't like where that logic leads: where do you draw the >>> line? >>> >>> My gut tells me that the potential benefit in granting someone that >>> trust is worth the risk, but I appreciate the other, more cautious >>> perspective as well. 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--===============6700345342272546844==-- From sarah.schaan@gmail.com Fri Feb 17 10:09:08 2017 From: Sarah Schaan To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Political message Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:09:06 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6014063373682737349==" --===============6014063373682737349== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the excellant insight! I suspect we will have quite a few opportunities over the coming months to go further into it. If anyone would be interested in collaborating on a project about this let me know- Keep that truth to power flowing friends ;) On Feb 11, 2017 2:33 PM, "Matthew McMunn" wrote: > "Political statements" is a separate category from "political campaigning." > > President Donald may try to overturn the IRS restriction on political > campaigning. I think that is a terrible idea. > > http://www.usnews.com/opinion/debate-club/articles/2017-02- > 10/is-repealing-the-johnson-amendment-a-good-idea > "Speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast last Thursday, President Donald > Trump vowed > > to "destroy" the Johnson Amendment, which prevents houses of worship and > other tax-exempt organizations from engaging in political campaigning. > Trump declared to the crowd, "I will get rid of and totally destroy the > Johnson Amendment and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely > and without fear of retribution."" > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:38 PM Bud Tymczyszyn wrote: > >> I may be wrong, but it's been my understanding that 501c3s certainly may >> (and should) engage in political speech... you just can't campaign or get >> involved in partisan elections. Many non-profits are releasing political >> statements right now, and non-profits can be an important platform for >> voices of dissent to be heard. I think as long as you stay away from >> elections it's fine. >> >> Can anyone chime in on the legal nuance here? It certainly would be good >> to know. >> >> bud >> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Jimmy Hallyburton < >> jimmy(a)boisebicycleproject.org> wrote: >> >> We simply reenforced the principals we already stand by in a written >> pledge on our Annual Report. Our board and staff signed onto the pledge and >> we'll be pushing it all throughout the year. Some people may view it as >> political, but it is really no different from the values we put in place >> from the beginning. We do think it is important to be broadcasting these >> values to the public in regard to recent policies. >> >> >> *A Pledge, a Promise, and A Commitment* >> >> It has always been part of BBP=E2=80=99s Mission to create an educational >> workspace in a diverse and non-threatening atmosphere. In our tenth year, >> we are doubling down on that commitment and ensuring that our new shop is >> an inclusive and safe space for all. When you enter our doors, you are >> entering a place of love, empathy, and community. While inside you will be >> treated with the same amount of respect and regard as everyone you=E2=80= =99re >> sharing the shop with. When you leave our building we hope to send you with >> the tools and confidence to connect to your next opportunity on two wheels. >> This is our pledge, promise, and commitment to the community. >> >> >> Ride On! >> >> Jimmy Hallyburton >> Founder / Executive Director >> Boise Bicycle Project >> (208)-429-6520 <(208)%20429-6520> >> 1027 Lusk St Boise, ID 83706 >> www.boisebicycleproject.org >> >> >> Want to receive Boise Bicycle Project's monthly FreeSpirit Newsletter >> >> ? >> Or stay in the loop on Facebook >> , Instagram >> , Twitter >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Sarah Schaan >> wrote: >> >> I agree- and thanks for the irs link! >> >> I think if the statement was phrased as a support document rather than a >> dissent document- such as highlighting the support of immigrants and >> refugees, we could stand behind our mission statement without violating the >> non-political requirement. >> >> I believe that the document would be useful, not just as a feel good >> sentiment, but as proof of a unified group with a message. >> >> >> >> On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "mpattisall" >> wrote: >> >> Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and >> whether or not donations are tax deductible. >> >> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable- >> organizations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign- >> intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations >> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan >> wrote: >> >> Greetings everyone! >> >> I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed >> making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA >> has been dealing with? >> >> Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. >> directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization >> I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some >> manner. >> >> I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this >> has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! >> >> As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) >> >> Sarah Schaan, FMCBW >> Fargo >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Pattisall >> http://velocitycoop.org/ >> V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative >> 2111 Mt. 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To: The Think Tank Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Political message =20 Thanks for the excellant insight! I suspect we will have quite a few opportun= ities over the coming months to go further into it. If anyone would be intere= sted in collaborating on a project about this let me know-=20 =20 Keep that truth to power flowing friends ;) =20 On Feb 11, 2017 2:33 PM, "Matthew McMunn" wrote: "Political statements" is a separate category from "political campaigning." =20 President Donald may try to overturn the IRS restriction on political campaig= ning. I think that is a terrible idea. =20 http://www.usnews.com/opinion/debate-club/articles/2017-02-10/is-repealing-th= e-johnson-amendment-a-good-idea "Speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast last Thursday, President Donald Tr= ump vowed= to "destroy" the Johnson Amendment, which prevents houses of worship and oth= er tax-exempt organizations from engaging in political campaigning. Trump dec= lared to the crowd, "I will get rid of and totally destroy the Johnson Amendm= ent and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely and without fear o= f retribution."" =20 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:38 PM Bud Tymczyszyn wrote: I may be wrong, but it's been my understanding that 501c3s certainly may (and= should) engage in political speech... you just can't campaign or get involve= d in partisan elections. Many non-profits are releasing political statements = right now, and non-profits can be an important platform for voices of dissent= to be heard. I think as long as you stay away from elections it's fine.=20 =20 Can anyone chime in on the legal nuance here? It certainly would be good to k= now. =20 bud =20 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Jimmy Hallyburton wrote: We simply reenforced the principals we already stand by in a written pledge o= n our Annual Report. Our board and staff signed onto the pledge and we'll be = pushing it all throughout the year. Some people may view it as political, but= it is really no different from the values we put in place from the beginning= . We do think it is important to be broadcasting these values to the public i= n regard to recent policies.=20 =20 =20 A Pledge, a Promise, and A Commitment It has always been part of BBP=E2=80=99s Mission to create an educational wor= kspace in a diverse and non-threatening atmosphere. In our tenth year, we are= doubling down on that commitment and ensuring that our new shop is an inclus= ive and safe space for all. When you enter our doors, you are entering a plac= e of love, empathy, and community. While inside you will be treated with the = same amount of respect and regard as everyone you=E2=80=99re sharing the shop= with. When you leave our building we hope to send you with the tools and con= fidence to connect to your next opportunity on two wheels. This is our pledge= , promise, and commitment to the community.=20 =20 Ride On! Jimmy Hallyburton Founder / Executive Director Boise Bicycle Project (208)-429-6520 =20 1027 Lusk St Boise, ID 83706 www.boisebicycleproject.org =20 =20 Want to receive Boise Bicycle Project's monthly FreeSpirit Newsletter?=20 Or stay in the loop on Facebook , Instagram , Twitter =20 =20 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Sarah Schaan wrot= e: I agree- and thanks for the irs link! =20 I think if the statement was phrased as a support document rather than a diss= ent document- such as highlighting the support of immigrants and refugees, we= could stand behind our mission statement without violating the non-political= requirement.=20 =20 I believe that the document would be useful, not just as a feel good sentimen= t, but as proof of a unified group with a message. =20 =20 =20 On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "mpattisall" wro= te: Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and whe= ther or not donations are tax deductible. =20 https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/the-restri= ction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organi= zations =20 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan wrot= e: Greetings everyone! =20 I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed making= a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA has been d= ealing with? =20 Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. directl= y contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization I believe= we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some manner.=20 =20 I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this has= already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! =20 As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) =20 Sarah Schaan, FMCBW=20 Fargo =20 ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list --=20 Mike Pattisall http://velocitycoop.org/ V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative 2111 Mt. 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Political message Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 20:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012a01d28949$7c4ee990$74ecbcb0$@communitybikeworks.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2536011261113190745==" --===============2536011261113190745== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I absolutely agree with the other comments. Non-profits (including churches) have always had the right (and responsibility) to speak about moral and ethical issues. (They do not always do that, often for fear of financial backlash from their board members or the general public, but that is a different matter.) They are just not supposed to take part in partisan (electoral) politics. Since the rise of the Christian Coalition and 700 Club, a few decades ago, a lot of churches / church leaders have publicly endorsed candidates and parties, primarily based on whether the candidate is considered "pro-life" (meaning anti-abortion, not anti-war or anti-death penalty). This was also true in the most recent election. Honestly, an awful lot of churches have stepped over the electoral line. That doesn't mean that other non-profits should do so also, just that I'm not so sure that the President is going to gain as much as he thinks. Parenthetically, I am a Christian pastor who has never taken a position, from the pulpit, about electoral politics, but I have had yard signs in front of my house. The Church is not a monolith and many Christians support the values of inclusiveness, justice, and diversity. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Kim Schaffer wrote: > This is the document from the Alliance for Justice that lays out what > 501c3s can and cannot do: > > > > http://www.bolderadvocacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ > Election_Checklist_for_501c3_Public_Charities.pdf > > > > *From:* Thethinktank [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@ > lists.bikecollectives.org] *On Behalf Of *Sarah Schaan > *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:09 PM > *To:* The Think Tank > *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Political message > > > > Thanks for the excellant insight! I suspect we will have quite a few > opportunities over the coming months to go further into it. If anyone would > be interested in collaborating on a project about this let me know- > > > > Keep that truth to power flowing friends ;) > > > > On Feb 11, 2017 2:33 PM, "Matthew McMunn" > wrote: > > "Political statements" is a separate category from "political campaigning." > > > > President Donald may try to overturn the IRS restriction on political > campaigning. I think that is a terrible idea. > > > > http://www.usnews.com/opinion/debate-club/articles/2017-02- > 10/is-repealing-the-johnson-amendment-a-good-idea > > "Speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast last Thursday, President Donald > Trump vowed > > to "destroy" the Johnson Amendment, which prevents houses of worship and > other tax-exempt organizations from engaging in political campaigning. > Trump declared to the crowd, "I will get rid of and totally destroy the > Johnson Amendment and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely > and without fear of retribution."" > > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:38 PM Bud Tymczyszyn wrote: > > I may be wrong, but it's been my understanding that 501c3s certainly may > (and should) engage in political speech... you just can't campaign or get > involved in partisan elections. Many non-profits are releasing political > statements right now, and non-profits can be an important platform for > voices of dissent to be heard. I think as long as you stay away from > elections it's fine. > > > > Can anyone chime in on the legal nuance here? It certainly would be good > to know. > > > > bud > > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Jimmy Hallyburton < > jimmy(a)boisebicycleproject.org> wrote: > > We simply reenforced the principals we already stand by in a written > pledge on our Annual Report. Our board and staff signed onto the pledge and > we'll be pushing it all throughout the year. Some people may view it as > political, but it is really no different from the values we put in place > from the beginning. We do think it is important to be broadcasting these > values to the public in regard to recent policies. > > > > > > *A Pledge, a Promise, and A Commitment* > > It has always been part of BBP=E2=80=99s Mission to create an educational > workspace in a diverse and non-threatening atmosphere. In our tenth year, > we are doubling down on that commitment and ensuring that our new shop is > an inclusive and safe space for all. When you enter our doors, you are > entering a place of love, empathy, and community. While inside you will be > treated with the same amount of respect and regard as everyone you=E2=80=99= re > sharing the shop with. When you leave our building we hope to send you with > the tools and confidence to connect to your next opportunity on two wheels. > This is our pledge, promise, and commitment to the community. > > > > > Ride On! > > Jimmy Hallyburton > Founder / Executive Director > Boise Bicycle Project > (208)-429-6520 <(208)%20429-6520> > 1027 Lusk St Boise, ID 83706 > > www.boisebicycleproject.org > > > > > Want to receive Boise Bicycle Project's monthly FreeSpirit Newsletter > > ? > > Or stay in the loop on Facebook > , Instagram > , Twitter > > > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Sarah Schaan > wrote: > > I agree- and thanks for the irs link! > > > > I think if the statement was phrased as a support document rather than a > dissent document- such as highlighting the support of immigrants and > refugees, we could stand behind our mission statement without violating the > non-political requirement. > > > > I believe that the document would be useful, not just as a feel good > sentiment, but as proof of a unified group with a message. > > > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "mpattisall" > wrote: > > Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and > whether or not donations are tax deductible. > > https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable- > organizations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign- > intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations > > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan > wrote: > > Greetings everyone! > > > > I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed > making a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA > has been dealing with? > > > > Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. > directly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization > I believe we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some > manner. > > > > I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this > has already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! > > > > As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) > > > > Sarah Schaan, FMCBW > > Fargo > > > > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list > > > > > -- > > Mike Pattisall > http://velocitycoop.org/ > V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative > 2111 Mt. 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City Community BikeWorks Louisville KY Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Saturday, February 18, 2017 Nozomi Ikuta wrote: I absolutely agree with the other comments. Non-profits (including churches) = have always had the right (and responsibility) to speak about moral and ethic= al issues. (They do not always do that, often for fear of financial backlash = from their board members or the general public, but that is a different matte= r.) =C2=A0They are just not supposed to take part in partisan (electoral) pol= itics. Since the rise of the Christian Coalition and 700 Club, a few decades ago, = =C2=A0a lot of churches / church leaders have publicly endorsed candidates an= d parties, primarily based on whether the candidate is considered "pro-life" = (meaning anti-abortion, not anti-war or anti-death penalty).=C2=A0 This was a= lso true in the most recent election. Honestly, an awful lot of churches have stepped over the electoral line. That= doesn't mean that other non-profits should do so also, just that I'm not so = sure that the President is going to gain as much as he thinks.=C2=A0 Parenthetically, I am a Christian pastor who has never taken a position, from= the pulpit, about electoral politics, but I have had yard signs in front of = my house. The Church is not a monolith and many Christians support the values= of inclusiveness, justice, and diversity. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Kim Schaffer = wrote: This is the document from the Alliance for Justice that lays out what 501c3s = can and cannot do: =C2=A0 http://www.bolderadvocacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Election_Checklist_f= or_501c3_Public_Charities.pdf=20 =C2=A0 From: Thethinktank [mailto:thethinktank-bounces(a)lists.bikecollectives.org] = On Behalf Of Sarah Schaan Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:09 PM To: The Think Tank Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Political message =C2=A0 Thanks for the excellant insight! I suspect we will have quite a few opportun= ities over the coming months to go further into it. If anyone would be intere= sted in collaborating on a project about this let me know-=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Keep that truth to power flowing friends ;) =C2=A0 On Feb 11, 2017 2:33 PM, "Matthew McMunn" wrote: "Political statements" is a separate category from "political campaigning." =C2=A0 President Donald may try to overturn the IRS restriction on political campaig= ning. I think that is a terrible idea. =C2=A0 http://www.usnews.com/opinion/debate-club/articles/2017-02-10/is-repealing-th= e-johnson-amendment-a-good-idea "Speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast last Thursday, President Donald Tr= ump=C2=A0vowed=C2=A0to "destroy" the Johnson Amendment, which prevents houses= of worship and other tax-exempt organizations from engaging in political cam= paigning. Trump declared to the crowd, "I will get rid of and totally destroy= the Johnson Amendment and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely= and without fear of retribution."" =C2=A0 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:38 PM Bud Tymczyszyn wrote: I may be wrong, but it's been my understanding that 501c3s certainly may (and= should) engage in political speech... you just can't campaign or get involve= d in partisan elections. Many non-profits are releasing political statements = right now, and non-profits can be an important platform for voices of dissent= to be heard. I think as long as you stay away from elections it's fine.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Can anyone chime in on the legal nuance here? It certainly would be good to k= now. =C2=A0 bud =C2=A0 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Jimmy Hallyburton wrote: We simply reenforced the principals we already stand by in a written pledge o= n our Annual Report. Our board and staff signed onto the pledge and we'll be = pushing it all throughout the year. Some people may view it as political, but= it is really no different from the values we put in place from the beginning= . We do think it is important to be broadcasting these values to the public i= n regard to recent policies.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A Pledge, a Promise, and A Commitment It has always been part of BBP=E2=80=99s Mission to create an educational wor= kspace in a diverse and non-threatening atmosphere. In our tenth year, we are= doubling down on that commitment and ensuring that our new shop is an inclus= ive and safe space for all. When you enter our doors, you are entering a plac= e of love, empathy, and community. While inside you will be treated with the = same amount of respect and regard as everyone you=E2=80=99re sharing the shop= with. When you leave our building we hope to send you with the tools and con= fidence to connect to your next opportunity on two wheels. This is our pledge= , promise, and commitment to the community.=20 =C2=A0 Ride On! Jimmy Hallyburton Founder / Executive Director Boise Bicycle Project (208)-429-6520 1027 Lusk St Boise, ID 83706 www.boisebicycleproject.org =C2=A0 =EF=BF=BC Want to receive Boise Bicycle Project's monthly=C2=A0FreeSpirit Newsletter?= =C2=A0 Or stay in the loop on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter =C2=A0 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Sarah Schaan wrot= e: I agree- and thanks for the irs link! =C2=A0 I think if the statement was phrased as a support document rather than a diss= ent document- such as highlighting the support of immigrants and refugees, we= could stand behind our mission statement without violating the non-political= requirement.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I believe that the document would be useful, not just as a feel good sentimen= t, but as proof of a unified group with a message. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "mpattisall" wro= te: Be careful, if you are a 501c3 it could affect your non profit status and whe= ther or not donations are tax deductible.=C2=A0=20 https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/the-restri= ction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organi= zations =C2=A0 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Sarah Schaan wrot= e: Greetings everyone! =C2=A0 I am curious to know if any bikebike members/organizers have discussed making= a collective statement about the recent political issues that USA has been d= ealing with? =C2=A0 =C2=A0Several policies and many statements made by the White House and co. di= rectly contradict our mission statement. As a multinational organization I be= lieve we may have a greater impact if we could unite our voices in some manne= r.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have been bad at keeping up with social media/ email threads so if this has= already been addressed, I would thank you for catching me up! =C2=A0 As always, keep your rad souls burning bright :) =C2=A0 Sarah Schaan, FMCBW=C2=A0 Fargo =C2=A0 ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list --=20 Mike Pattisall http://velocitycoop.org/ V=C3=A9loCity Bicycle Cooperative 2111 Mt. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Has anyone used an alternative to Paypal that lets you accept donations through your website and send money? 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I've not used it, but I hear it referred to quite often. On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Zachariah Wahid < offsite(a)thehubofdetroit.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone used an alternative to Paypal that lets you accept donations > through your website and send money? > > Thanks! > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list > > > -- Steve Bradley Independent Consultant Writer www.godlovespeople.org www.investorsweb.com --===============1085217852589113046== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfZGVmYXVsdCIgc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtZmFt aWx5Omdlb3JnaWEsc2VyaWYiPlBhdHJlb24/IEkmIzM5O3ZlIG5vdCB1c2VkIGl0LCBidXQgSSBo ZWFyIGl0IHJlZmVycmVkIHRvIHF1aXRlIG9mdGVuLjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9Imdt YWlsX2V4dHJhIj48YnI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfcXVvdGUiPk9uIE1vbiwgRmViIDIwLCAy MDE3IGF0IDEwOjMzIEFNLCBaYWNoYXJpYWggV2FoaWQgPHNwYW4gZGlyPSJsdHIiPiZsdDs8YSBo cmVmPSJtYWlsdG86b2Zmc2l0ZUB0aGVodWJvZmRldHJvaXQub3JnIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+ b2Zmc2l0ZUB0aGVodWJvZmRldHJvaXQub3JnPC9hPiZndDs8L3NwYW4+IHdyb3RlOjxicj48Ymxv Y2txdW90ZSBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfcXVvdGUiIHN0eWxlPSJtYXJnaW46MCAwIDAgLjhleDtib3Jk ZXItbGVmdDoxcHggI2NjYyBzb2xpZDtwYWRkaW5nLWxlZnQ6MWV4Ij48ZGl2IGRpcj0ibHRyIj48 ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9kZWZhdWx0IiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6dGFob21hLHNhbnMt c2VyaWYiPkhpIGFsbCw8L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9kZWZhdWx0IiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u dC1mYW1pbHk6dGFob21hLHNhbnMtc2VyaWYiPjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9k ZWZhdWx0IiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6dGFob21hLHNhbnMtc2VyaWYiPkhhcyBhbnlvbmUg dXNlZCBhbiBhbHRlcm5hdGl2ZSB0byBQYXlwYWwgdGhhdCBsZXRzIHlvdSBhY2NlcHQgZG9uYXRp b25zIHRocm91Z2ggeW91ciB3ZWJzaXRlIGFuZCBzZW5kIG1vbmV5PzwvZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9 ImdtYWlsX2RlZmF1bHQiIHN0eWxlPSJmb250LWZhbWlseTp0YWhvbWEsc2Fucy1zZXJpZiI+PGJy PjwvZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX2RlZmF1bHQiIHN0eWxlPSJmb250LWZhbWlseTp0YWhv bWEsc2Fucy1zZXJpZiI+VGhhbmtzITwvZGl2Pgo8L2Rpdj4KPGJyPl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fXzx3YnI+X19fX19fPGJyPgo8YnI+ClRoZSBUaGlua1RhbmsgbWFpbGluZyBM aXN0PGJyPgombHQ7YSBocmVmPSZxdW90OzxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5iaWtlY29sbGVj dGl2ZXMub3JnL29wdGlvbnMuY2dpL3RoZXRoaW5rdGFuay1iaWtlY29sbGVjdGl2ZXMub3JnIiBy ZWw9Im5vcmVmZXJyZXIiIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuPHdicj5iaWtlY29s bGVjdGl2ZXMub3JnL29wdGlvbnMuPHdicj5jZ2kvdGhldGhpbmt0YW5rLTx3YnI+YmlrZWNvbGxl Y3RpdmVzLm9yZzwvYT4mcXVvdDsmZ3Q7PHdicj5VbnN1YnNjcmliZSBmcm9tIHRoaXMgbGlzdCZs dDsvYSZndDs8YnI+Cjxicj4KPGJyPjwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT48L2Rpdj48YnI+PGJyIGNsZWFyPSJh bGwiPjxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2Pi0tIDxicj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9zaWduYXR1cmUiIGRh dGEtc21hcnRtYWlsPSJnbWFpbF9zaWduYXR1cmUiPjxkaXYgZGlyPSJsdHIiPjxkaXY+PGRpdiBk aXI9Imx0ciI+U3RldmUgQnJhZGxleTxkaXY+SW5kZXBlbmRlbnQgQ29uc3VsdGFudDwvZGl2Pjxk aXY+V3JpdGVyPC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vd3d3LmdvZGxvdmVzcGVvcGxlLm9y ZyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPnd3dy5nb2Rsb3Zlc3Blb3BsZS5vcmc8L2E+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj48 YSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vd3d3LmludmVzdG9yc3dlYi5jb20iIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj53d3cu aW52ZXN0b3Jzd2ViLmNvbTwvYT48L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj4KPC9kaXY+ Cg== --===============1085217852589113046==-- From nowhere3@gmail.com Mon Feb 20 11:28:56 2017 From: David Oliver To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Alternatives to Paypal Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 14:28:15 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8227500369441177535==" --===============8227500369441177535== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patreon is for recurring payments, so if you think you have people willing to do that then definitely go for that. 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Alternatives to Paypal Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:14:20 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7481614002407475391==" --===============7481614002407475391== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit circlepay works very well. If you want to try something using cryptocurrencies, then there are many other options. Coinbase, uphold, metamask (with chrome browser). Dash, Stellar (maybe someday). It's getting closer to where we won't need paypal or fiat any more but right now getting from fiat to crypto can still be a challenge. I like ether the best and used to use circlepay to buy bitcoin to get ether. Now I use gemini or coinbase, but getting signed up with various exchanges can be a real hassle and slow process. https://shapeshift.io/#/coins can also be a way to exchange digital assets. Bitcoin is not environmentally friendly. Neither is ether at the moment, but at least it has a transition plan. Many wonder whether it will successfuly transition. Here's one way circle manages some of the reporting issues fiat gateways face (with limits): https://support.circle.com/hc/en-us/articles/213560403--Why-are-there-limits- Circle was very fast when I used it. With coinbase bank transfers pretty much always take the full five business days. Good luck! On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:28 AM, David Oliver wrote: > Patreon is for recurring payments, so if you think you have people willing > to do that then definitely go for that. > > Stripe and Square are probably the two largest Paypal alternatives. > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Steven Bradley > wrote: > >> Patreon? I've not used it, but I hear it referred to quite often. >> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Zachariah Wahid < >> offsite(a)thehubofdetroit.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Has anyone used an alternative to Paypal that lets you accept donations >>> through your website and send money? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> Unsubscribe from this list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Bradley >> Independent Consultant >> Writer >> www.godlovespeople.org >> www.investorsweb.com >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list >> >> >> > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list > > > --===============7481614002407475391== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 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I've heard of a few different models for doing this, from kids bike swaps at events to shorter-term loans from library branches. Anyone run a program like this? If you do, please tell me about the useful things you've learned by answering these questions: - what kind of program do you run? (i.e. kids bike swaps at events, physical library, through earn-a-bike) - how many bikes do you distribute/swap? do you charge anything for them? - how is the program funded? - do you provide accessories (helmets, locks & lights) with the bikes? if so, where do you get them from? - any suggestions or words of wisdom for someone starting a kids bike library/swap program? If you'd rather chat on the phone, just lemme know and I'll give you a call. thanks y'all! yaay more kids on bikes. <3 :D aida --===============6408479088214089973== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+SGV5IGJpa2UgZnJpZW5kcyzCoDxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+V2Um IzM5O3JlIHN0YXJ0aW5nIGEga2lkcyBiaWtlIGxpYnJhcnkvZXhjaGFuZ2UgaW4gVmFuY291dmVy LCBCQywgd2hlcmUga2lkcyBjYW4gYm9ycm93IGEgYmlrZSB1bnRpbCB0aGV5IGdyb3cgb3V0IG9m IGl0IGFuZCB0aGVuIHN3YXAgaXQgZm9yIG9uZSB0aGVpciBzaXplLiBJJiMzOTt2ZSBoZWFyZCBv ZiBhIGZldyBkaWZmZXJlbnQgbW9kZWxzIGZvciBkb2luZyB0aGlzLCBmcm9tIGtpZHMgYmlrZSBz d2FwcyBhdCBldmVudHMgdG8gc2hvcnRlci10ZXJtIGxvYW5zIGZyb20gbGlicmFyeSBicmFuY2hl cy7CoEFueW9uZSBydW4gYSBwcm9ncmFtIGxpa2UgdGhpcz8gSWYgeW91IGRvLCBwbGVhc2UgdGVs bCBtZSBhYm91dCB0aGUgdXNlZnVsIHRoaW5ncyB5b3UmIzM5O3ZlIGxlYXJuZWQgYnkgYW5zd2Vy aW5nIHRoZXNlIHF1ZXN0aW9uczo8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pjx1bD48bGkgc3R5bGU9Im1hcmdpbi1sZWZ0 OjE1cHgiPndoYXQga2luZCBvZiBwcm9ncmFtIGRvIHlvdSBydW4/IChpLmUuIGtpZHMgYmlrZSBz d2FwcyBhdCBldmVudHMsIHBoeXNpY2FsIGxpYnJhcnksIHRocm91Z2ggZWFybi1hLWJpa2UpwqA8 L2xpPjxsaSBzdHlsZT0ibWFyZ2luLWxlZnQ6MTVweCI+aG93IG1hbnkgYmlrZXMgZG8geW91IGRp c3RyaWJ1dGUvc3dhcD8gZG8geW91IGNoYXJnZSBhbnl0aGluZyBmb3IgdGhlbT/CoDwvbGk+PGxp IHN0eWxlPSJtYXJnaW4tbGVmdDoxNXB4Ij5ob3cgaXMgdGhlIHByb2dyYW0gZnVuZGVkP8KgPC9s aT48bGkgc3R5bGU9Im1hcmdpbi1sZWZ0OjE1cHgiPmRvIHlvdSBwcm92aWRlIGFjY2Vzc29yaWVz IChoZWxtZXRzLCBsb2NrcyAmYW1wOyBsaWdodHMpIHdpdGggdGhlIGJpa2VzPyBpZiBzbywgd2hl cmUgZG8geW91IGdldCB0aGVtIGZyb20/wqA8L2xpPjxsaSBzdHlsZT0ibWFyZ2luLWxlZnQ6MTVw eCI+YW55IHN1Z2dlc3Rpb25zIG9yIHdvcmRzIG9mIHdpc2RvbSBmb3Igc29tZW9uZSBzdGFydGlu ZyBhIGtpZHMgYmlrZSBsaWJyYXJ5L3N3YXAgcHJvZ3JhbT/CoDwvbGk+PC91bD48L2Rpdj48ZGl2 PklmIHlvdSYjMzk7ZCByYXRoZXIgY2hhdCBvbiB0aGUgcGhvbmUsIGp1c3QgbGVtbWUga25vdyBh bmQgSSYjMzk7bGwgZ2l2ZSB5b3UgYSBjYWxsLsKgPC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj50 aGFua3MgeSYjMzk7YWxsIcKgPC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj55YWF5IG1vcmUga2lk cyBvbiBiaWtlcy4gJmx0OzMgOkQ8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PmFpZGHCoDwvZGl2 PjwvZGl2Pgo= --===============6408479088214089973==-- From rozdol@yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 14:46:09 2017 From: mike r To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kids bike library/swap programs Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:45:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1736677457.1396810.1487630747434@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8345753895741660412==" --===============8345753895741660412== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #7= 15FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white != important; } Hello folks.I had a similar idea and approached my local pubic l= ibrary in Upstate New York just a year ago. The proposed project was more lim= ited than you suggest, it was for Balance Bikes only and they were used 12inc= h wheel kiddy bikes with cranks and chain removed.I delivered 4 very nice lit= tle bikes and the staff of the library was stoked to release the program.The = Library Director heard back from their insurance company and the program was = nixed.The issue is that the Library retains ownership of the bikes and theref= or if there is an injury that resulted from bike issues, or perceived bike co= ndition issues, the Library would be liable.Got the bikes back and gave them = away...Mike aka the bike guy Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, February 20, 2017, 3:27 PM, Aida Mas Baghaie wrote: Hey bike friends,=C2=A0 We're starting a kids bike library/exchange in Vancouver, BC, where kids can = borrow a bike until they grow out of it and then swap it for one their size. = I've heard of a few different models for doing this, from kids bike swaps at = events to shorter-term loans from library branches.=C2=A0Anyone run a program= like this? If you do, please tell me about the useful things you've learned = by answering these questions: =20 - what kind of program do you run? 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One of our strongest and most popular programs over the years has been always offering free kids bikes. For age 10 and under we require no class nor service time (older than 10 and we have various earn-a-bike programs). We do not charge, the bike is theirs to keep, and the family will come back year after year and swap to a larger size. We always have a large stock to choose from. We have more ready to go kid bikes in 'kid alley' and over flow kid bikes in 'kid corner'. Many yet not all families donate into our shop jar. While we strive to have some kid bikes close to 'ride out the door' we want the kid (and parent) to finish off the bike with air, oil and some adjustments. We work together to make that happen. We have found that this type of program brings in financial donations in many other ways, from general appeals to events to small local grants. Other tidbits: we tend to remove hand brakes (unless in stellar condition) if the bike (most) has a coaster brake. we esp. look for anything sharp or broken to get off the bike, like remnants of a bell, reflector, chain guard. we help more with families that are struggling with the mechanical aspects, and remain more hands-off if it is say a parent/child wanting the building/bonding experience. if a parent ends up working on the bike without the child, we try to entice the child to help sort nuts and bolts, or draw a bike for the shop wall. we discourage training wheels yet help get them on if a parent insists. we make our own striders, looking for kid bikes that have low step thru frame and already have a drivetrain failure. it's honestly one of the most rewarding aspects of the community bicycle shop, here in Missoula. -- Bob Giordano, Director Free Cycles Missoula Shop: 732 S. 1st St. West, ph. 541.7284 10AM-6PM Tues-Sat, www.freecycles.org Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation www.strans.org, mist(a)strans.org, 406.830.7676 > On Monday, February 20, 2017, 3:27 PM, Aida Mas Baghaie > wrote: > > Hey bike friends,  > We're starting a kids bike library/exchange in Vancouver, BC, where kids > can borrow a bike until they grow out of it and then swap it for one their > size. I've heard of a few different models for doing this, from kids bike > swaps at events to shorter-term loans from library branches. Anyone run a > program like this? If you do, please tell me about the useful things > you've learned by answering these questions: > - what kind of program do you run? (i.e. kids bike swaps at events, > physical library, through earn-a-bike)  > - how many bikes do you distribute/swap? do you charge anything for > them?  > - how is the program funded?  > - do you provide accessories (helmets, locks & lights) with the bikes? > if so, where do you get them from?  > - any suggestions or words of wisdom for someone starting a kids bike > library/swap program?  > If you'd rather chat on the phone, just lemme know and I'll give you a > call.  > thanks y'all!  > yaay more kids on bikes. <3 :D > aida --===============5040594528729111473==-- From danielle@bicyclecollective.org Mon Feb 20 15:46:45 2017 From: Danielle Fry To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kids bike library/swap programs Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6a5303ab438183a48c5bd3a01baf3df1.squirrel@webmail.modwest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9157081629946128762==" --===============9157081629946128762== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm very interested in your responses as well. I'm trying to come up with a better way to give out our kids bikes. Traditionally we've worked with organizations and done larger events where we give away many kids bikes at once, but then we're left with piles of both fixed and in-waiting bikes that we don't have the storage for. In addition to the original questions, would y'all mind giving some feedback on: - How do you manage the flow of kids needing bikes? Do you utilize a wait list if you run out of kids bikes for the need in the community at the time? - How do you track who gets bikes? - Do you limit how many bikes one child is allowed? One bike/year more or less? - Do any of you use specific criteria for being eligible for a free kid's bike? Thanks! Danielle Fry Director Ogden Bicycle Collective 936 28th Street Ogden, UT 84403 On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Bob Giordano wrote: > One of our strongest and most popular programs over the years has been > always offering free kids bikes. For age 10 and under we require no class > nor service time (older than 10 and we have various earn-a-bike programs). > > We do not charge, the bike is theirs to keep, and the family will come > back year after year and swap to a larger size. We always have a large > stock to choose from. We have more ready to go kid bikes in 'kid alley' > and over flow kid bikes in 'kid corner'. > > Many yet not all families donate into our shop jar. While we strive to > have some kid bikes close to 'ride out the door' we want the kid (and > parent) to finish off the bike with air, oil and some adjustments. We > work together to make that happen. > > We have found that this type of program brings in financial donations in > many other ways, from general appeals to events to small local grants. > > Other tidbits: we tend to remove hand brakes (unless in stellar condition) > if the bike (most) has a coaster brake. we esp. look for anything sharp > or broken to get off the bike, like remnants of a bell, reflector, chain > guard. > we help more with families that are struggling with the mechanical > aspects, and remain more hands-off if it is say a parent/child wanting the > building/bonding experience. if a parent ends up working on the bike > without the child, we try to entice the child to help sort nuts and bolts, > or draw a bike for the shop wall. we discourage training wheels yet help > get them on if a parent insists. we make our own striders, looking for > kid bikes that have low step thru frame and already have a drivetrain > failure. > it's honestly one of the most rewarding aspects of the community bicycle > shop, here in Missoula. > > -- > Bob Giordano, Director > Free Cycles Missoula > Shop: 732 S. 1st St. West, ph. 541.7284 > 10AM-6PM Tues-Sat, www.freecycles.org > Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation > www.strans.org, mist(a)strans.org, 406.830.7676 > > > > On Monday, February 20, 2017, 3:27 PM, Aida Mas Baghaie > > wrote: > > > > Hey bike friends, > > We're starting a kids bike library/exchange in Vancouver, BC, where kids > > can borrow a bike until they grow out of it and then swap it for one > their > > size. I've heard of a few different models for doing this, from kids bike > > swaps at events to shorter-term loans from library branches. Anyone run a > > program like this? If you do, please tell me about the useful things > > you've learned by answering these questions: > > - what kind of program do you run? (i.e. kids bike swaps at events, > > physical library, through earn-a-bike) > > - how many bikes do you distribute/swap? do you charge anything for > > them? > > - how is the program funded? > > - do you provide accessories (helmets, locks & lights) with the bikes? > > if so, where do you get them from? > > - any suggestions or words of wisdom for someone starting a kids bike > > library/swap program? > > If you'd rather chat on the phone, just lemme know and I'll give you a > > call. > > thanks y'all! > > yaay more kids on bikes. <3 :D > > aida > > > > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list > > -- Danielle Fry Director Ogden Bicycle Collective 936 28th Street Ogden, UT 84403 801-997-0336 --===============9157081629946128762== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 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09:30:40 2017 From: Zachariah Wahid To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 125, Issue 15 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:30:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3Cmailman=2E0=2E1487711523=2E18534=2Ethethinktank-bi?= =?utf-8?q?kecollectives=2Eorg=40lists=2Ebikecollectives=2Eorg=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8046610281110978546==" --===============8046610281110978546== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings from Detroit, We consistently refurbish bikes for donation to kids during regular volunteer nights and *we keep a waitlist* of who needs bikes, what sizes they need and how many. Then, *when their "order is filled" (i.e. when their bikes are built) we call them up*. We ask that they bring the kid with them in case we got the wrong size or need to make some adjustments and* a lot of times people do bring in old kids bikes* but *we do not require them *to trade us a bike, which is *an organization wide policy meant to discourage bicycle theft.*=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B*We do not limit the number of bikes taken* by a family, though for = groups we usually* can't give away more than 15 at a time.* The *only requirement for taking a bike is *that the person that the bike is for is under the *age* of 10. *We do accept donations *(though these are few and far between) in a jar and many of the family's receiving bikes also have kids that have gone through our version of Earn-A-Bike (EAB). =E2=80=8BWe *fund this through our general fund* which mostly comes through donations and it costs us roughly $15 to $25 per bike but it is *free to the recipients*. =E2=80=8BWe only provide accessories like helmets when there is surplus. We m= ostly try to give those out to older EAB participants who tend to go faster on their bikes. *My suggestions*: Do not require a bike to swap. See if you can get your kids bikes from shops in the city that accumulate them or from retired folks with trucks who pick stuff off the side of the road. Make sure people in your area know they can bring you kids bikes. You could even host a bike drive exclusively for kids bikes (though people will probably try to give you larger bikes as well). Local companies love the press that comes with hosting those things. =E2=80=8BZach =E2=80=8B On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kids bike library/swap programs (mike r) > 2. Kids bike library/swap programs (Bob Giordano) > 3. Re: Kids bike library/swap programs (Danielle Fry) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: mike r > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kids bike library/swap programs > Hello folks. > I had a similar idea and approached my local pubic library in Upstate New > York just a year ago. The proposed project was more limited than you > suggest, it was for Balance Bikes only and they were used 12inch wheel > kiddy bikes with cranks and chain removed. > I delivered 4 very nice little bikes and the staff of the library was > stoked to release the program. > The Library Director heard back from their insurance company and the > program was nixed. > The issue is that the Library retains ownership of the bikes and therefor > if there is an injury that resulted from bike issues, or perceived bike > condition issues, the Library would be liable. > Got the bikes back and gave them away...Mike aka the bike guy > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > On Monday, February 20, 2017, 3:27 PM, Aida Mas Baghaie < > aida.masb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey bike friends, > > We're starting a kids bike library/exchange in Vancouver, BC, where kids > can borrow a bike until they grow out of it and then swap it for one their > size. I've heard of a few different models for doing this, from kids bike > swaps at events to shorter-term loans from library branches. Anyone run a > program like this? If you do, please tell me about the useful things you've > learned by answering these questions: > > - what kind of program do you run? (i.e. kids bike swaps at events, > physical library, through earn-a-bike) > - how many bikes do you distribute/swap? do you charge anything for > them? > - how is the program funded? > - do you provide accessories (helmets, locks & lights) with the bikes? > if so, where do you get them from? > - any suggestions or words of wisdom for someone starting a kids bike > library/swap program? > > If you'd rather chat on the phone, just lemme know and I'll give you a > call. > > thanks y'all! > > yaay more kids on bikes. <3 :D > > aida > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Bob Giordano > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:26:25 -0700 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Kids bike library/swap programs > One of our strongest and most popular programs over the years has been > always offering free kids bikes. For age 10 and under we require no class > nor service time (older than 10 and we have various earn-a-bike programs). > > We do not charge, the bike is theirs to keep, and the family will come > back year after year and swap to a larger size. We always have a large > stock to choose from. We have more ready to go kid bikes in 'kid alley' > and over flow kid bikes in 'kid corner'. > > Many yet not all families donate into our shop jar. While we strive to > have some kid bikes close to 'ride out the door' we want the kid (and > parent) to finish off the bike with air, oil and some adjustments. We > work together to make that happen. > > We have found that this type of program brings in financial donations in > many other ways, from general appeals to events to small local grants. > > Other tidbits: we tend to remove hand brakes (unless in stellar condition) > if the bike (most) has a coaster brake. we esp. look for anything sharp > or broken to get off the bike, like remnants of a bell, reflector, chain > guard. > we help more with families that are struggling with the mechanical > aspects, and remain more hands-off if it is say a parent/child wanting the > building/bonding experience. if a parent ends up working on the bike > without the child, we try to entice the child to help sort nuts and bolts, > or draw a bike for the shop wall. we discourage training wheels yet help > get them on if a parent insists. we make our own striders, looking for > kid bikes that have low step thru frame and already have a drivetrain > failure. > it's honestly one of the most rewarding aspects of the community bicycle > shop, here in Missoula. > > -- > Bob Giordano, Director > Free Cycles Missoula > Shop: 732 S. 1st St. West, ph. 541.7284 > 10AM-6PM Tues-Sat, www.freecycles.org > Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation > www.strans.org, mist(a)strans.org, 406.830.7676 > > > > On Monday, February 20, 2017, 3:27 PM, Aida Mas Baghaie > > wrote: > > > > Hey bike friends, > > We're starting a kids bike library/exchange in Vancouver, BC, where kids > > can borrow a bike until they grow out of it and then swap it for one > their > > size. I've heard of a few different models for doing this, from kids bike > > swaps at events to shorter-term loans from library branches. Anyone run a > > program like this? If you do, please tell me about the useful things > > you've learned by answering these questions: > > - what kind of program do you run? (i.e. kids bike swaps at events, > > physical library, through earn-a-bike) > > - how many bikes do you distribute/swap? do you charge anything for > > them? > > - how is the program funded? > > - do you provide accessories (helmets, locks & lights) with the bikes? > > if so, where do you get them from? > > - any suggestions or words of wisdom for someone starting a kids bike > > library/swap program? > > If you'd rather chat on the phone, just lemme know and I'll give you a > > call. > > thanks y'all! > > yaay more kids on bikes. <3 :D > > aida > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Danielle Fry > To: The Think Tank > Cc: > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:46:43 -0700 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kids bike library/swap programs > I'm very interested in your responses as well. I'm trying to come up with > a better way to give out our kids bikes. Traditionally we've worked with > organizations and done larger events where we give away many kids bikes at > once, but then we're left with piles of both fixed and in-waiting bikes > that we don't have the storage for. In addition to the original questions, > would y'all mind giving some feedback on: > > - How do you manage the flow of kids needing bikes? Do you utilize a > wait list if you run out of kids bikes for the need in the community at = the > time? > - How do you track who gets bikes? > - Do you limit how many bikes one child is allowed? One bike/year > more or less? > - Do any of you use specific criteria for being eligible for a free > kid's bike? > > Thanks! > > Danielle Fry > Director > Ogden Bicycle Collective > 936 28th Street > Ogden, UT 84403 > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Bob Giordano wrote: > >> One of our strongest and most popular programs over the years has been >> always offering free kids bikes. For age 10 and under we require no class >> nor service time (older than 10 and we have various earn-a-bike programs). >> >> We do not charge, the bike is theirs to keep, and the family will come >> back year after year and swap to a larger size. We always have a large >> stock to choose from. We have more ready to go kid bikes in 'kid alley' >> and over flow kid bikes in 'kid corner'. >> >> Many yet not all families donate into our shop jar. While we strive to >> have some kid bikes close to 'ride out the door' we want the kid (and >> parent) to finish off the bike with air, oil and some adjustments. We >> work together to make that happen. >> >> We have found that this type of program brings in financial donations in >> many other ways, from general appeals to events to small local grants. >> >> Other tidbits: we tend to remove hand brakes (unless in stellar condition) >> if the bike (most) has a coaster brake. we esp. look for anything sharp >> or broken to get off the bike, like remnants of a bell, reflector, chain >> guard. >> we help more with families that are struggling with the mechanical >> aspects, and remain more hands-off if it is say a parent/child wanting the >> building/bonding experience. if a parent ends up working on the bike >> without the child, we try to entice the child to help sort nuts and bolts, >> or draw a bike for the shop wall. we discourage training wheels yet help >> get them on if a parent insists. we make our own striders, looking for >> kid bikes that have low step thru frame and already have a drivetrain >> failure. >> it's honestly one of the most rewarding aspects of the community bicycle >> shop, here in Missoula. >> >> -- >> Bob Giordano, Director >> Free Cycles Missoula >> Shop: 732 S. 1st St. West, ph. 541.7284 >> 10AM-6PM Tues-Sat, www.freecycles.org >> Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation >> www.strans.org, mist(a)strans.org, 406.830.7676 >> >> >> > On Monday, February 20, 2017, 3:27 PM, Aida Mas Baghaie >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hey bike friends, >> > We're starting a kids bike library/exchange in Vancouver, BC, where kids >> > can borrow a bike until they grow out of it and then swap it for one >> their >> > size. I've heard of a few different models for doing this, from kids >> bike >> > swaps at events to shorter-term loans from library branches. Anyone run >> a >> > program like this? If you do, please tell me about the useful things >> > you've learned by answering these questions: >> > - what kind of program do you run? (i.e. kids bike swaps at events, >> > physical library, through earn-a-bike) >> > - how many bikes do you distribute/swap? do you charge anything for >> > them? >> > - how is the program funded? >> > - do you provide accessories (helmets, locks & lights) with the >> bikes? >> > if so, where do you get them from? >> > - any suggestions or words of wisdom for someone starting a kids bike >> > library/swap program? >> > If you'd rather chat on the phone, just lemme know and I'll give you a >> > call. >> > thanks y'all! >> > yaay more kids on bikes. <3 :D >> > aida >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> > thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe from this list >> >> > > > -- > Danielle Fry > Director > Ogden Bicycle Collective > 936 28th Street > Ogden, UT 84403 > 801-997-0336 <(801)%20997-0336> > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > 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