From analyst@bikefarm.org Thu Apr 23 18:39:21 2015
From: momoko saunders <analyst@bikefarm.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:38:26 -0700
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Hey all,

How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently put
one out during a shift.

I think it's something we as a collective should vote on. Is this a common
practice? Have people had conversations about this before?

please note this is different than a donation jar which goes to the
collective, this is tips for the volunteers.

Thanks for your thoughts,
-momoko



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From sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org Thu Apr 23 18:42:15 2015
From: Sam Haraldson <sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org>
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:41:42 -0600
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>
> How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently put
> one out during a shift.
>

Without analyzing this in too much depth I would say "no".  I could see it
being confused for a donation jar causing possible consternation from a
donor.

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From kevidwyer@gmail.com Thu Apr 23 19:00:51 2015
From: Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:00:38 -0600
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Probably a bad idea, especially for those with formal status (e.g.
501(c)3). Volunteers could be rewarded from donations (e.g. pizza) even if
all the donations are used, but some sort of independent discretion should
be involved. And, direct cash distributions look bad to IRS
and state employment regulators.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Sam Haraldson <sam(a)bozemanbikekitchen.org>
wrote:

> How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently put
>> one out during a shift.
>>
>
> Without analyzing this in too much depth I would say "no".  I could see it
> being confused for a donation jar causing possible consternation from a
> donor.
>
> - Sam
>
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From samuelchristianjensen@gmail.com Thu Apr 23 19:18:08 2015
From: samuelchristianjensen@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 14:17:54 -0500
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Without knowing your specific situation, I think it's also problematic for
two non-tax/appearances reasons:

1. Volunteers should be there to support the project, etc, not for personal
profit. While there usually are benefits to the volunteer like learning new
skills, if they're there for the money they're not really a volunteer.
Setting out a tip jar sends the signal that the volunteer doesn't really
understand their role there.

2. Policy changes at a co-op/collective should be a group decision imo.
It's not much of a collective if everybody sets their own rules for the
space. Maybe I misunderstood something but taking tips without clearing it
with the rest of the collective kinda implies that the volunteer doesn't
take the group process seriously.
Den 23/04/2015 13.39 skrev "momoko saunders" <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>:

> Hey all,
>
> How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently put
> one out during a shift.
>
> I think it's something we as a collective should vote on. Is this a common
> practice? Have people had conversations about this before?
>
> please note this is different than a donation jar which goes to the
> collective, this is tips for the volunteers.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> -momoko
>
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From analyst@bikefarm.org Thu Apr 23 19:24:24 2015
From: momoko saunders <analyst@bikefarm.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:23:32 -0700
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Yeah, I agree with everything you all are saying. I felt really put off
when I saw it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reacting too strongly.

I like how you point out that it suggests that the volunteer does not
understand the collective process, or what the role of volunteering is.

Thank you for your thoughts!
-momoko

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, <samuelchristianjensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Without knowing your specific situation, I think it's also problematic for
> two non-tax/appearances reasons:
>
> 1. Volunteers should be there to support the project, etc, not for
> personal profit. While there usually are benefits to the volunteer like
> learning new skills, if they're there for the money they're not really a
> volunteer. Setting out a tip jar sends the signal that the volunteer
> doesn't really understand their role there.
>
> 2. Policy changes at a co-op/collective should be a group decision imo.
> It's not much of a collective if everybody sets their own rules for the
> space. Maybe I misunderstood something but taking tips without clearing it
> with the rest of the collective kinda implies that the volunteer doesn't
> take the group process seriously.
> Den 23/04/2015 13.39 skrev "momoko saunders" <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently
>> put one out during a shift.
>>
>> I think it's something we as a collective should vote on. Is this a
>> common practice? Have people had conversations about this before?
>>
>> please note this is different than a donation jar which goes to the
>> collective, this is tips for the volunteers.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>> -momoko
>>
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From islow4bikes@gmail.com Thu Apr 23 21:13:29 2015
From: Beth Barnes <islow4bikes@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:13:12 -0400
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I like the idea of a donation jar, suggesting it is bring funneled back into =
the cause. A top jar would turn me off. Thanks for asking





> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:23 PM, momoko saunders <analyst(a)bikefarm.org> wrote:
>=20
> Yeah, I agree with everything you all are saying. I felt really put off whe=
n I saw it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reacting too strongly.=20
>=20
> I like how you point out that it suggests that the volunteer does not under=
stand the collective process, or what the role of volunteering is.=20
>=20
> Thank you for your thoughts!
> -momoko
>=20
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, <samuelchristianjensen(a)gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>> Without knowing your specific situation, I think it's also problematic for=
 two non-tax/appearances reasons:
>>=20
>> 1. Volunteers should be there to support the project, etc, not for persona=
l profit. While there usually are benefits to the volunteer like learning new=
 skills, if they're there for the money they're not really a volunteer. Setti=
ng out a tip jar sends the signal that the volunteer doesn't really understan=
d their role there.
>>=20
>> 2. Policy changes at a co-op/collective should be a group decision imo. It=
's not much of a collective if everybody sets their own rules for the space. =
Maybe I misunderstood something but taking tips without clearing it with the =
rest of the collective kinda implies that the volunteer doesn't take the grou=
p process seriously.
>>=20
>> Den 23/04/2015 13.39 skrev "momoko saunders" <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>:
>>> Hey all,=20
>>>=20
>>> How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently pu=
t one out during a shift.=20
>>>=20
>>> I think it's something we as a collective should vote on. Is this a commo=
n practice? Have people had conversations about this before?
>>>=20
>>> please note this is different than a donation jar which goes to the colle=
ctive, this is tips for the volunteers.=20
>>>=20
>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>> -momoko
>>>=20
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>>>=20
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From evmartin@indiana.edu Thu Apr 23 21:26:26 2015
From: "Martin, Eric Vance" <evmartin@indiana.edu>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:26:12 +0000
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Volunteers expecting quid pro quo or expecting or taking tips (and not droppi=
ng them into the donations) makes me feel ill.

But I have had a long time volunteer who has spent time all along the income =
scale, including at the very bottom, say, essentially, "You have all these hi=
gh-falutin values because you can afford to. When you're broke and looking at=
 hunger or nowhere to sleep, your viewpoint changes really fast."

I still don't agree that people should take, or Goddess forbid, ask for, any =
money for labor at the Bike Project. I won't stand for a formal policy that a=
llows or encourages such things. But I have to accept that I can't control ex=
actly how everyone does things at the Bike Project.



On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com<mailto:islo=
w4bikes(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

I like the idea of a donation jar, suggesting it is bring funneled back into =
the cause. A top jar would turn me off. Thanks for asking





On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:23 PM, momoko saunders <analyst(a)bikefarm.org<mailto:a=
nalyst(a)bikefarm.org>> wrote:

Yeah, I agree with everything you all are saying. I felt really put off when =
I saw it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reacting too strongly.

I like how you point out that it suggests that the volunteer does not underst=
and the collective process, or what the role of volunteering is.

Thank you for your thoughts!
-momoko

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, <samuelchristianjensen(a)gmail.com<mailto:s=
amuelchristianjensen(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Without knowing your specific situation, I think it's also problematic for tw=
o non-tax/appearances reasons:

1. Volunteers should be there to support the project, etc, not for personal p=
rofit. While there usually are benefits to the volunteer like learning new sk=
ills, if they're there for the money they're not really a volunteer. Setting =
out a tip jar sends the signal that the volunteer doesn't really understand t=
heir role there.

2. Policy changes at a co-op/collective should be a group decision imo. It's =
not much of a collective if everybody sets their own rules for the space. May=
be I misunderstood something but taking tips without clearing it with the res=
t of the collective kinda implies that the volunteer doesn't take the group p=
rocess seriously.

Den 23/04/2015 13.39 skrev "momoko saunders" <analyst(a)bikefarm.org<mailto:a=
nalyst(a)bikefarm.org>>:
Hey all,

How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently put on=
e out during a shift.

I think it's something we as a collective should vote on. Is this a common pr=
actice? Have people had conversations about this before?

please note this is different than a donation jar which goes to the collectiv=
e, this is tips for the volunteers.

Thanks for your thoughts,
-momoko

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From wormsign@gmail.com Thu Apr 23 22:20:48 2015
From: wormsign@gmail.com
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 15:20:33 -0700
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I see the issue of tip jars from multiple angles. In any case where I see it =
OK it needs to be very clear what/who the money is for and it should only be =
there if all agree it should.=20
At the bikerowave we have a tip jar, the money is there only to be used to ge=
t snacks or the like for those on the shift to use on that shift or just afte=
r. In most cases this is the burrito fund. Excess money is stored for the nex=
t time that weekly shift happens. Folks aren't supposed to take money from th=
e jar to take home or spend elsewhere. This set up came about after careful a=
nd thorough discussion among the membership. Anything otherwise I would consi=
der a violation of trust and a violation of the will of the collective.=20
We are not a 501c3 but I figured folks that are can call it a shift meal dona=
tion or the like. As long as the purpose is explicitly expresses I think it c=
an have a real positive impact on the volunteers.=20
Tips could go towards snacks for the shift, or snacks at the meetings, or to =
fund social get togethers all of which could have a positive impact on drawin=
g and maintaining volunteers.=20

Loconte

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Martin, Eric Vance <evmartin(a)indiana.edu> wr=
ote:
>=20
> Volunteers expecting quid pro quo or expecting or taking tips (and not drop=
ping them into the donations) makes me feel ill.=20
>=20
> But I have had a long time volunteer who has spent time all along the incom=
e scale, including at the very bottom, say, essentially, "You have all these =
high-falutin values because you can afford to. When you're broke and looking =
at hunger or nowhere to sleep, your viewpoint changes really fast."
>=20
> I still don't agree that people should take, or Goddess forbid, ask for, an=
y money for labor at the Bike Project. I won't stand for a formal policy that=
 allows or encourages such things. But I have to accept that I can't control =
exactly how everyone does things at the Bike Project.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>> I like the idea of a donation jar, suggesting it is bring funneled back in=
to the cause. A top jar would turn me off. Thanks for asking
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:23 PM, momoko saunders <analyst(a)bikefarm.org> wrot=
e:
>>=20
>>> Yeah, I agree with everything you all are saying. I felt really put off w=
hen I saw it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reacting too strongly.=20
>>>=20
>>> I like how you point out that it suggests that the volunteer does not und=
erstand the collective process, or what the role of volunteering is.=20
>>>=20
>>> Thank you for your thoughts!
>>> -momoko
>>>=20
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, <samuelchristianjensen(a)gmail.com> wr=
ote:
>>>> Without knowing your specific situation, I think it's also problematic f=
or two non-tax/appearances reasons:
>>>>=20
>>>> 1. Volunteers should be there to support the project, etc, not for perso=
nal profit. While there usually are benefits to the volunteer like learning n=
ew skills, if they're there for the money they're not really a volunteer. Set=
ting out a tip jar sends the signal that the volunteer doesn't really underst=
and their role there.
>>>>=20
>>>> 2. Policy changes at a co-op/collective should be a group decision imo. =
It's not much of a collective if everybody sets their own rules for the space=
. Maybe I misunderstood something but taking tips without clearing it with th=
e rest of the collective kinda implies that the volunteer doesn't take the gr=
oup process seriously.
>>>>=20
>>>> Den 23/04/2015 13.39 skrev "momoko saunders" <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>:
>>>>> Hey all,=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently =
put one out during a shift.=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I think it's something we as a collective should vote on. Is this a com=
mon practice? Have people had conversations about this before?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> please note this is different than a donation jar which goes to the col=
lective, this is tips for the volunteers.=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>>>> -momoko
>>>>>=20
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From danceswithcars@gmail.com Fri Apr 24 14:32:33 2015
From: DancesWithCars <danceswithcars@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:32:16 -0400
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Calls into question, mixed salary and volunteer orgs.  AVO would be my
preference.  Rotation of leadership allows and encourages cross training,
less burnout, more coop than shop, etc.

Lots of tip jars at places are like forced extortion, you must, or else
(like food threats), also bad mojo.

Morale always an issue, especially over the long term, being nice
encourages nice, tough breeds tough...
 On Apr 23, 2015 6:20 PM, <wormsign(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> I see the issue of tip jars from multiple angles. In any case where I see
> it OK it needs to be very clear what/who the money is for and it should
> only be there if all agree it should.
> At the bikerowave we have a tip jar, the money is there only to be used to
> get snacks or the like for those on the shift to use on that shift or just
> after. In most cases this is the burrito fund. Excess money is stored for
> the next time that weekly shift happens. Folks aren't supposed to take
> money from the jar to take home or spend elsewhere. This set up came about
> after careful and thorough discussion among the membership. Anything
> otherwise I would consider a violation of trust and a violation of the will
> of the collective.
> We are not a 501c3 but I figured folks that are can call it a shift meal
> donation or the like. As long as the purpose is explicitly expresses I
> think it can have a real positive impact on the volunteers.
> Tips could go towards snacks for the shift, or snacks at the meetings, or
> to fund social get togethers all of which could have a positive impact on
> drawing and maintaining volunteers.
>
> Loconte
>
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Martin, Eric Vance <evmartin(a)indiana.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Volunteers expecting quid pro quo or expecting or taking tips (and not
> dropping them into the donations) makes me feel ill.
>
>  But I have had a long time volunteer who has spent time all along the
> income scale, including at the very bottom, say, essentially, "You have all
> these high-falutin values because you can afford to. When you're broke and
> looking at hunger or nowhere to sleep, your viewpoint changes really fast."
>
>  I still don't agree that people should take, or Goddess forbid, ask for,
> any money for labor at the Bike Project. I won't stand for a formal policy
> that allows or encourages such things. But I have to accept that I can't
> control exactly how everyone does things at the Bike Project.
>
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   I like the idea of a donation jar, suggesting it is bring funneled back
> into the cause. A top jar would turn me off. Thanks for asking
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:23 PM, momoko saunders <analyst(a)bikefarm.org> wrote:
>
>   Yeah, I agree with everything you all are saying. I felt really put off
> when I saw it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reacting too strongly.
>
>  I like how you point out that it suggests that the volunteer does not
> understand the collective process, or what the role of volunteering is.
>
>  Thank you for your thoughts!
> -momoko
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, <samuelchristianjensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Without knowing your specific situation, I think it's also problematic
>> for two non-tax/appearances reasons:
>>
>> 1. Volunteers should be there to support the project, etc, not for
>> personal profit. While there usually are benefits to the volunteer like
>> learning new skills, if they're there for the money they're not really a
>> volunteer. Setting out a tip jar sends the signal that the volunteer
>> doesn't really understand their role there.
>>
>> 2. Policy changes at a co-op/collective should be a group decision imo.
>> It's not much of a collective if everybody sets their own rules for the
>> space. Maybe I misunderstood something but taking tips without clearing it
>> with the rest of the collective kinda implies that the volunteer doesn't
>> take the group process seriously.
>>  Den 23/04/2015 13.39 skrev "momoko saunders" <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>:
>>
>>>  Hey all,
>>>
>>>  How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm recently
>>> put one out during a shift.
>>>
>>>  I think it's something we as a collective should vote on. Is this a
>>> common practice? Have people had conversations about this before?
>>>
>>>  please note this is different than a donation jar which goes to the
>>> collective, this is tips for the volunteers.
>>>
>>>  Thanks for your thoughts,
>>> -momoko
>>>
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From aniola@gmail.com Fri Apr 24 20:19:35 2015
From: Angel York <aniola@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] tip jars at bike collectives
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:18:38 -0700
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*But I have had a long time volunteer who has spent time all along the
income scale, including at the very bottom, say, essentially, "You have all
these high-falutin values because you can afford to. When you're broke and
looking at hunger or nowhere to sleep, your viewpoint changes really fast."*
I agree, it is at least partly about income!  If I see a tip jar, I feel
obliged to put money into it.  A lot of the people who use bike collectives
have low or no income.  So they will either be putting money they maybe
can't afford into a tip jar or possibly feeling guilty for not doing so.
At least, that's where I would stand from a patron's perspective.

Angel York

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:32 AM, DancesWithCars <danceswithcars(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

> Calls into question, mixed salary and volunteer orgs.  AVO would be my
> preference.  Rotation of leadership allows and encourages cross training,
> less burnout, more coop than shop, etc.
>
> Lots of tip jars at places are like forced extortion, you must, or else
> (like food threats), also bad mojo.
>
> Morale always an issue, especially over the long term, being nice
> encourages nice, tough breeds tough...
>  On Apr 23, 2015 6:20 PM, <wormsign(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I see the issue of tip jars from multiple angles. In any case where I see
>> it OK it needs to be very clear what/who the money is for and it should
>> only be there if all agree it should.
>> At the bikerowave we have a tip jar, the money is there only to be used
>> to get snacks or the like for those on the shift to use on that shift or
>> just after. In most cases this is the burrito fund. Excess money is stored
>> for the next time that weekly shift happens. Folks aren't supposed to take
>> money from the jar to take home or spend elsewhere. This set up came about
>> after careful and thorough discussion among the membership. Anything
>> otherwise I would consider a violation of trust and a violation of the will
>> of the collective.
>> We are not a 501c3 but I figured folks that are can call it a shift meal
>> donation or the like. As long as the purpose is explicitly expresses I
>> think it can have a real positive impact on the volunteers.
>> Tips could go towards snacks for the shift, or snacks at the meetings, or
>> to fund social get togethers all of which could have a positive impact on
>> drawing and maintaining volunteers.
>>
>> Loconte
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Martin, Eric Vance <evmartin(a)indiana.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Volunteers expecting quid pro quo or expecting or taking tips (and not
>> dropping them into the donations) makes me feel ill.
>>
>>  But I have had a long time volunteer who has spent time all along the
>> income scale, including at the very bottom, say, essentially, "You have all
>> these high-falutin values because you can afford to. When you're broke and
>> looking at hunger or nowhere to sleep, your viewpoint changes really fast."
>>
>>  I still don't agree that people should take, or Goddess forbid, ask
>> for, any money for labor at the Bike Project. I won't stand for a formal
>> policy that allows or encourages such things. But I have to accept that I
>> can't control exactly how everyone does things at the Bike Project.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   I like the idea of a donation jar, suggesting it is bring funneled
>> back into the cause. A top jar would turn me off. Thanks for asking
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:23 PM, momoko saunders <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Yeah, I agree with everything you all are saying. I felt really put
>> off when I saw it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reacting too
>> strongly.
>>
>>  I like how you point out that it suggests that the volunteer does not
>> understand the collective process, or what the role of volunteering is.
>>
>>  Thank you for your thoughts!
>> -momoko
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, <samuelchristianjensen(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Without knowing your specific situation, I think it's also problematic
>>> for two non-tax/appearances reasons:
>>>
>>> 1. Volunteers should be there to support the project, etc, not for
>>> personal profit. While there usually are benefits to the volunteer like
>>> learning new skills, if they're there for the money they're not really a
>>> volunteer. Setting out a tip jar sends the signal that the volunteer
>>> doesn't really understand their role there.
>>>
>>> 2. Policy changes at a co-op/collective should be a group decision imo.
>>> It's not much of a collective if everybody sets their own rules for the
>>> space. Maybe I misunderstood something but taking tips without clearing it
>>> with the rest of the collective kinda implies that the volunteer doesn't
>>> take the group process seriously.
>>>  Den 23/04/2015 13.39 skrev "momoko saunders" <analyst(a)bikefarm.org>:
>>>
>>>>  Hey all,
>>>>
>>>>  How do you guys feel about tip jars? A volunteer at bike farm
>>>> recently put one out during a shift.
>>>>
>>>>  I think it's something we as a collective should vote on. Is this a
>>>> common practice? Have people had conversations about this before?
>>>>
>>>>  please note this is different than a donation jar which goes to the
>>>> collective, this is tips for the volunteers.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks for your thoughts,
>>>> -momoko
>>>>
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