From islow4bikes@gmail.com Thu Apr  9 15:39:16 2015
From: Beth Barnes <islow4bikes@gmail.com>
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Subject: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 11:38:50 -0400
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Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no real b=
ike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100 used bikes=
 for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown. Free bikes?=
 What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes but no support=
ing infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little sense to me.
Beth




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From aniola@gmail.com Thu Apr  9 16:10:57 2015
From: Angel York <aniola@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:10:37 -0700
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When you say "no supporting infrastructure," do you mean the town itself or
the bicycles?  I would be more concerned about bikes falling into disrepair
than the town being bike/ped unfriendly.   IF there's the willpower to
maintain those bikes, people will ride them. If people ride them, that's a
first step on the road to making your town more safe for people who are
riding bikes. Safety in numbers.  Demand for a safer physical
infrastructure can follow.

Local, struggling bike businesses benefit, because the more bikes there are
on the road, the more it is perceived as a place where people can ride
bicycles. The bike businesses stand to benefit from a bicycle revival. A
renewed interest in riding bicycles is a win for them.
On Apr 9, 2015 8:39 AM, "Beth Barnes" <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no
> real bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100
> used bikes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown.
> Free bikes? What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes
> but no supporting infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little
> sense to me.
> Beth
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From wormsign@gmail.com Thu Apr  9 16:23:18 2015
From: wormsign@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:23:05 -0700
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An open "yellow bike" program may be more of a failure but a perhaps setting =
it up in a lending library fashion may work better. They will need repairs so=
 local bicycle business could have an opportunity for additional business. Th=
e biggest hurdle would be managing this whole set-up.=20

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> On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no real=
 bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100 used bik=
es for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown. Free bike=
s? What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes but no suppo=
rting infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little sense to me.
> Beth
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From aniola@gmail.com Thu Apr  9 16:30:00 2015
From: Angel York <aniola@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:29:48 -0700
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I do agree that the free bike program will not last forever. Others have
described what happens to the bikes, it's well-documented.

HOWEVER, I do think that if you plan for the bikes not to last forever
(maybe even market it that way from the beginning), it can be used as a
catalyst, a project that inspires action and leads to the pursuit of other
possibilities in your town. I really do think it can inspire a renewed
interest in riding bicycles.

An example of planning for the ultimate demise of the freebikes: Market
them as free for a limited time, a season or a year depending on your
climate. Cut the program off before it starts to rot.  Spread the word from
the beginning that on some well-publicized date, anyone can take ONE bike
and it becomes theirs. The bike shops should want in on this because it
will give them plenty of maintenance work and a bunch of people buying
locks and lights and such. You could even get them to sponsor the whole
thing! Request one signature on an online petition (that is also available
in hard copy at local stores) per person who has ridden these bikes. The
petition goes to city council and can be for any ONE specific achieveable
bike/ped infrastructure. Follow through on that and you're off to a running
start.
On Apr 9, 2015 9:10 AM, "Angel York" <aniola(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> When you say "no supporting infrastructure," do you mean the town itself
> or the bicycles?  I would be more concerned about bikes falling into
> disrepair than the town being bike/ped unfriendly.   IF there's the
> willpower to maintain those bikes, people will ride them. If people ride
> them, that's a first step on the road to making your town more safe for
> people who are riding bikes. Safety in numbers.  Demand for a safer
> physical infrastructure can follow.
>
> Local, struggling bike businesses benefit, because the more bikes there
> are on the road, the more it is perceived as a place where people can ride
> bicycles. The bike businesses stand to benefit from a bicycle revival. A
> renewed interest in riding bicycles is a win for them.
> On Apr 9, 2015 8:39 AM, "Beth Barnes" <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no
>> real bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100
>> used bikes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown.
>> Free bikes? What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes
>> but no supporting infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little
>> sense to me.
>> Beth
>>
>>
>>
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From islow4bikes@gmail.com Thu Apr  9 16:39:24 2015
From: Beth Barnes <islow4bikes@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:39:07 -0400
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This is really helpful everyone. Keep those cards and letters coming!
Beth barnes





> On Apr 9, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Angel York <aniola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> I do agree that the free bike program will not last forever. Others have de=
scribed what happens to the bikes, it's well-documented.
>=20
> HOWEVER, I do think that if you plan for the bikes not to last forever (may=
be even market it that way from the beginning), it can be used as a catalyst,=
 a project that inspires action and leads to the pursuit of other possibiliti=
es in your town. I really do think it can inspire a renewed interest in ridin=
g bicycles.
>=20
> An example of planning for the ultimate demise of the freebikes: Market the=
m as free for a limited time, a season or a year depending on your climate. C=
ut the program off before it starts to rot.  Spread the word from the beginni=
ng that on some well-publicized date, anyone can take ONE bike and it becomes=
 theirs. The bike shops should want in on this because it will give them plen=
ty of maintenance work and a bunch of people buying locks and lights and such=
. You could even get them to sponsor the whole thing! Request one signature o=
n an online petition (that is also available in hard copy at local stores) pe=
r person who has ridden these bikes. The petition goes to city council and ca=
n be for any ONE specific achieveable bike/ped infrastructure. Follow through=
 on that and you're off to a running start.
>=20
>> On Apr 9, 2015 9:10 AM, "Angel York" <aniola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> When you say "no supporting infrastructure," do you mean the town itself o=
r the bicycles?  I would be more concerned about bikes falling into disrepair=
 than the town being bike/ped unfriendly.   IF there's the willpower to maint=
ain those bikes, people will ride them. If people ride them, that's a first s=
tep on the road to making your town more safe for people who are riding bikes=
. Safety in numbers.  Demand for a safer physical infrastructure can follow. =

>>=20
>> Local, struggling bike businesses benefit, because the more bikes there ar=
e on the road, the more it is perceived as a place where people can ride bicy=
cles. The bike businesses stand to benefit from a bicycle revival. A renewed =
interest in riding bicycles is a win for them.
>>=20
>>> On Apr 9, 2015 8:39 AM, "Beth Barnes" <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no re=
al bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100 used b=
ikes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown. Free bi=
kes? What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes but no sup=
porting infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little sense to me.
>>> Beth
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From thomas.martin6@pcc.edu Thu Apr  9 21:09:55 2015
From: Thomas Martin <thomas.martin6@pcc.edu>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 14:09:22 -0700
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Hi Beth:

I think we need more information. knowledge of Location, geography, history
of town, previous AT efforts, demographics and power structures will give
us a better understanding of what you and the group is up against.
While it may present an opportunity for bicycling, just dumping 100 or so
bikes without infrastructure for maintenance, repair, storage, and access
control will quickly be a nuisance to the community.
I'm wondering if a larger conversation can happen with the townsfolk,
before bikes are dropped in downtown. Maybe couch it as a leveraging
tactic: "A benefactor/donor etc. is committing to establishing a community
bike program, but they need some commitment from the community". This will
take some work in researching for asks, what the community has done in the
past, what recreational and economic opportunities there are, identifying
allies, working with critical voices, etc.

It seems that an organizer (grassroots) or planner (an enthusiastic city or
county employee) could have a decent case study to develop. This point
person would ideally work with interested community members, and not just
be a lone voice in a city council meeting.



Tom Martin
Bike Program Coordinator
Portland Community College- Cascade
Room SC-03
705 N Killingsworth St
Portland, OR 97217


On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no
> real bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100
> used bikes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown.
> Free bikes? What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes
> but no supporting infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little
> sense to me.
> Beth
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From islow4bikes@gmail.com Thu Apr  9 22:53:51 2015
From: Beth Barnes <islow4bikes@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 18:53:34 -0400
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Thanks Thomas, I am not getting involved in this effort as there are too many=
 unanswered questions and I have serious misgivings, just observing wishing t=
hey would ask many of the questions you have. It is northeastern Vermont on C=
anadian border, still a couple feet under snow.  In two years of being here f=
rom long beach ca I can count the number of folks I've seen on bikes in one h=
and (other than the bike club riders and some tourists)  Changing the non bik=
e culture will take more than dumping 100 second hand bikes, just my feeling.=
  Really learning a lot from everyone's comments. Thanks.





> On Apr 9, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Thomas Martin <thomas.martin6(a)pcc.edu> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Beth:=20
>=20
> I think we need more information. knowledge of Location, geography, history=
 of town, previous AT efforts, demographics and power structures will give us=
 a better understanding of what you and the group is up against.=20
> While it may present an opportunity for bicycling, just dumping 100 or so b=
ikes without infrastructure for maintenance, repair, storage, and access cont=
rol will quickly be a nuisance to the community.=20
> I'm wondering if a larger conversation can happen with the townsfolk, befor=
e bikes are dropped in downtown. Maybe couch it as a leveraging tactic: "A be=
nefactor/donor etc. is committing to establishing a community bike program, b=
ut they need some commitment from the community". This will take some work in=
 researching for asks, what the community has done in the past, what recreati=
onal and economic opportunities there are, identifying allies, working with c=
ritical voices, etc.=20
>=20
> It seems that an organizer (grassroots) or planner (an enthusiastic city or=
 county employee) could have a decent case study to develop. This point perso=
n would ideally work with interested community members, and not just be a lon=
e voice in a city council meeting.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Tom Martin
> Bike Program Coordinator
> Portland Community College- Cascade
> Room SC-03
> 705 N Killingsworth St
> Portland, OR 97217
>=20
>=20
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no rea=
l bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100 used bi=
kes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown. Free bik=
es? What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes but no supp=
orting infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little sense to me.
>> Beth
>>=20
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From evmartin@indiana.edu Thu Apr  9 23:28:12 2015
From: "Martin, Eric Vance" <evmartin@indiana.edu>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 23:28:00 +0000
Message-ID: <6AEAAAAD-C7C6-4670-8CE5-818031F1063C@indiana.edu>
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Some radical kids did this in Bloomington Indiana. Painted the bikes yellow a=
nd unleashed them downtown. It was a disaster. All the bikes were stolen and =
destroyed in short order.

Then they went back to the drawing board, and the Bloomington Community Bike =
Project was born.



On Apr 9, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com<mailto:islow=
4bikes(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Thomas, I am not getting involved in this effort as there are too many=
 unanswered questions and I have serious misgivings, just observing wishing t=
hey would ask many of the questions you have. It is northeastern Vermont on C=
anadian border, still a couple feet under snow.  In two years of being here f=
rom long beach ca I can count the number of folks I've seen on bikes in one h=
and (other than the bike club riders and some tourists)  Changing the non bik=
e culture will take more than dumping 100 second hand bikes, just my feeling.=
  Really learning a lot from everyone's comments. Thanks.





On Apr 9, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Thomas Martin <thomas.martin6(a)pcc.edu<mailto:th=
omas.martin6(a)pcc.edu>> wrote:

Hi Beth:

I think we need more information. knowledge of Location, geography, history o=
f town, previous AT efforts, demographics and power structures will give us a=
 better understanding of what you and the group is up against.
While it may present an opportunity for bicycling, just dumping 100 or so bik=
es without infrastructure for maintenance, repair, storage, and access contro=
l will quickly be a nuisance to the community.
I'm wondering if a larger conversation can happen with the townsfolk, before =
bikes are dropped in downtown. Maybe couch it as a leveraging tactic: "A bene=
factor/donor etc. is committing to establishing a community bike program, but=
 they need some commitment from the community". This will take some work in r=
esearching for asks, what the community has done in the past, what recreation=
al and economic opportunities there are, identifying allies, working with cri=
tical voices, etc.

It seems that an organizer (grassroots) or planner (an enthusiastic city or c=
ounty employee) could have a decent case study to develop. This point person =
would ideally work with interested community members, and not just be a lone =
voice in a city council meeting.



Tom Martin
Bike Program Coordinator
Portland Community College- Cascade
Room SC-03
705 N Killingsworth St
Portland, OR 97217


On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com<mailto:i=
slow4bikes(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no real b=
ike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100 used bikes=
 for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown. Free bikes?=
 What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes but no support=
ing infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little sense to me.
Beth




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From: Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 17:37:19 -0600
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Counting that as a win for radical kids.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Martin, Eric Vance <evmartin(a)indiana.edu>
wrote:

>  Some radical kids did this in Bloomington Indiana. Painted the bikes
> yellow and unleashed them downtown. It was a disaster. All the bikes were
> stolen and destroyed in short order.
>
>  Then they went back to the drawing board, and the Bloomington Community
> Bike Project was born.
>
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   Thanks Thomas, I am not getting involved in this effort as there are
> too many unanswered questions and I have serious misgivings, just observing
> wishing they would ask many of the questions you have. It is northeastern
> Vermont on Canadian border, still a couple feet under snow.  In two years
> of being here from long beach ca I can count the number of folks I've seen
> on bikes in one hand (other than the bike club riders and some tourists)
>  Changing the non bike culture will take more than dumping 100 second hand
> bikes, just my feeling.  Really learning a lot from everyone's comments.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Thomas Martin <thomas.martin6(a)pcc.edu> wrote:
>
>    Hi Beth:
>
>  I think we need more information. knowledge of Location, geography,
> history of town, previous AT efforts, demographics and power structures
> will give us a better understanding of what you and the group is up
> against.
> While it may present an opportunity for bicycling, just dumping 100 or so
> bikes without infrastructure for maintenance, repair, storage, and access
> control will quickly be a nuisance to the community.
>  I'm wondering if a larger conversation can happen with the townsfolk,
> before bikes are dropped in downtown. Maybe couch it as a leveraging
> tactic: "A benefactor/donor etc. is committing to establishing a community
> bike program, but they need some commitment from the community". This will
> take some work in researching for asks, what the community has done in the
> past, what recreational and economic opportunities there are, identifying
> allies, working with critical voices, etc.
>
>  It seems that an organizer (grassroots) or planner (an enthusiastic city
> or county employee) could have a decent case study to develop. This point
> person would ideally work with interested community members, and not just
> be a lone voice in a city council meeting.
>
>
>
>    Tom Martin
>  Bike Program Coordinator
>  Portland Community College- Cascade
>  Room SC-03
> 705 N Killingsworth St
>  Portland, OR 97217
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no
>> real bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100
>> used bikes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown.
>> Free bikes? What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes
>> but no supporting infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little
>> sense to me.
>> Beth
>>
>>
>>
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From birenlaura@gmail.com Thu Apr  9 23:47:54 2015
From: Laura Biren <birenlaura@gmail.com>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:47:41 -0400
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Definitely need a good amount of support for infrastructure. Otherwise, as
everyone else seems to agree, it will all just fall apart. Have you thought
of a library system where people can rent out bikes so as they some sort of
liability for the treatment of the bicycles, as well as the bikes returning
and what not? I also agree that community involvement is key, so someone/a
group of people would have to be in charge of these "free" bikes and there
needs to be a storage facility as well as a place where maintenance can
happen. Always keep in mind of how/where things will be 10 years down the
road. Sustainability is key! Good luck! I think whatever it is could be a
really great project for your community. I think that right now it's just
missing a couple of key steps.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no
> real bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about 100
> used bikes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small downtown.
> Free bikes? What will that do to local, struggling bike businesses? Bikes
> but no supporting infrastructure? Thank you for your thoughts. Makes little
> sense to me.
> Beth
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From mist@strans.org Fri Apr 10 14:54:58 2015
From: Bob Giordano <mist@strans.org>
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:54:35 -0600
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Free Cycles Missoula was simply 100 free-roaming green bicycles on the
streets of Missoula from '96 to'98.  Yes, some were vandalized and
maintenance was challenging, but the energy and excitement that was
created and lasting was invaluable to bike 'culture' here.  It was not
sustainable but an incredible boost, with volunteerism thru the roof and
next steps for infrastructure and bike programs sprouting all over.

The bikes need to be simple, sound, distinct and beautiful.  Roving
ambassadors upkeep the bikes and talk with people.  A hub is essential.=20
Library method or coin release can work well...  but quickly one finds
that losing a few bikes beats the red tape of other systems.  (losing the
whole fleet is another story though)

Being an isolated small community may be a huge asset for making it work.

'Isolated' means less likely for bikes to go to other places.  Small means
relationships can be forged to take care of the bikes.  We involved the
very people that might be apt to disrespect the bikes.  Having said all
that, free roaming bikes go well beyond transport and speak to community
development, participation, trust and interaction.  These values seem a
bit fragile these days but people seem hungry for new models and methods.

Other thoughts- gps and tracking options can help or maybe the the key; a
$20 coaster brake makes many bikes instantly easy to ride and maintain;
anti-theft nuts and bolts can be hugely beneficial; constant dialog so
important; bikes must be moved by pedal power; a hub can be a shed,
shipping container or tiny house; 'at-risk' youth can be the maintainers;
complimentary programs essential; losses to be expected and learned
from...

--=20
Bob Giordano, Director
Free Cycles Missoula
Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation
www.freecycles.org, mist(a)strans.org, 406-880-6834


Beth Barnes wrote:
> Thanks Thomas, I am not getting involved in this effort as there are too
> many unanswered questions and I have serious misgivings, just observing
> wishing they would ask many of the questions you have. It is northeastern
> Vermont on Canadian border, still a couple feet under snow.  In two years
> of being here from long beach ca I can count the number of folks I've seen
> on bikes in one hand (other than the bike club riders and some tourists)
> Changing the non bike culture will take more than dumping 100 second hand
> bikes, just my feeling.  Really learning a lot from everyone's comments.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>> On Apr 9, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Thomas Martin <thomas.martin6(a)pcc.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Beth:
>>
>> I think we need more information. knowledge of Location, geography,
>> history of town, previous AT efforts, demographics and power structures
>> will give us a better understanding of what you and the group is up
>> against.
>> While it may present an opportunity for bicycling, just dumping 100 or
>> so bikes without infrastructure for maintenance, repair, storage, and
>> access control will quickly be a nuisance to the community.
>> I'm wondering if a larger conversation can happen with the townsfolk,
>> before bikes are dropped in downtown. Maybe couch it as a leveraging
>> tactic: "A benefactor/donor etc. is committing to establishing a
>> community bike program, but they need some commitment from the
>> community". This will take some work in researching for asks, what the
>> community has done in the past, what recreational and economic
>> opportunities there are, identifying allies, working with critical
>> voices, etc.
>>
>> It seems that an organizer (grassroots) or planner (an enthusiastic city
>> or county employee) could have a decent case study to develop. This
>> point person would ideally work with interested community members, and
>> not just be a lone voice in a city council meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Martin
>> Bike Program Coordinator
>> Portland Community College- Cascade
>> Room SC-03
>> 705 N Killingsworth St
>> Portland, OR 97217
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no
>>> real bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about
>>> 100 used bikes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small
>>> downtown. Free bikes? What will that do to local, struggling bike
>>> businesses? Bikes but no supporting infrastructure? Thank you for your
>>> thoughts. Makes little sense to me.




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From danceswithcars@gmail.com Fri Apr 10 18:38:40 2015
From: DancesWithCars <danceswithcars@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] FREE bikes to use in rural town
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 14:38:27 -0400
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Attitude of the people involved too.

Rural town looking for more ecotourism?
Trails?
Hills?
Hunting and pickup truck culture?
AntiBike sentiment?

Average speeds of roads?

Coffee shop?
Diner?
General store?
Round a lake?
Road quality?
  Mountain bikes? Hybrids?  Cruisers?
Shifting knowledge?
Liability if someone's get hurt/killed?

College campus(es) nearby?

Youth center?
School's attitude towards biking?
Plans to be shared amongst kids?
Sizes of bikes?
Locating where to pickup and dropoff?

I used the previous incarnation bike share in warshington dc, while in
town, for sightseeing, but cost prohibitive for anything but fun look/ride
arounds. Now ~$90/day iirc. But occasional use better than parking a
personal bike in the city.
Free for 30 minutes or so.  Multiple dropoffs and pickups per day.  Mostly
for tourists, afaict.

Police/sheriff's thoughts on the project?

Exercise levels of the demographic?

Summer cottages better than bringing a personal bike to week/month vacays?

~~~~~~~~~~~
typing impaired by device, so phlat.
NB: BigBro monitors all, dude[tte]....
BackusNaurForm forgotten.
Lied to re: Del msgs.  MailHoardersAnon*
On Apr 10, 2015 10:54, "Bob Giordano" <mist(a)strans.org> wrote:

> Free Cycles Missoula was simply 100 free-roaming green bicycles on the
> streets of Missoula from '96 to'98.  Yes, some were vandalized and
> maintenance was challenging, but the energy and excitement that was
> created and lasting was invaluable to bike 'culture' here.  It was not
> sustainable but an incredible boost, with volunteerism thru the roof and
> next steps for infrastructure and bike programs sprouting all over.
>
> The bikes need to be simple, sound, distinct and beautiful.  Roving
> ambassadors upkeep the bikes and talk with people.  A hub is essential.
> Library method or coin release can work well...  but quickly one finds
> that losing a few bikes beats the red tape of other systems.  (losing the
> whole fleet is another story though)
>
> Being an isolated small community may be a huge asset for making it work.
>
> 'Isolated' means less likely for bikes to go to other places.  Small means
> relationships can be forged to take care of the bikes.  We involved the
> very people that might be apt to disrespect the bikes.  Having said all
> that, free roaming bikes go well beyond transport and speak to community
> development, participation, trust and interaction.  These values seem a
> bit fragile these days but people seem hungry for new models and methods.
>
> Other thoughts- gps and tracking options can help or maybe the the key; a
> $20 coaster brake makes many bikes instantly easy to ride and maintain;
> anti-theft nuts and bolts can be hugely beneficial; constant dialog so
> important; bikes must be moved by pedal power; a hub can be a shed,
> shipping container or tiny house; 'at-risk' youth can be the maintainers;
> complimentary programs essential; losses to be expected and learned
> from...
>
> --
> Bob Giordano, Director
> Free Cycles Missoula
> Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation
> www.freecycles.org, mist(a)strans.org, 406-880-6834
>
>
> Beth Barnes wrote:
> > Thanks Thomas, I am not getting involved in this effort as there are too
> > many unanswered questions and I have serious misgivings, just observing
> > wishing they would ask many of the questions you have. It is northeastern
> > Vermont on Canadian border, still a couple feet under snow.  In two years
> > of being here from long beach ca I can count the number of folks I've
> seen
> > on bikes in one hand (other than the bike club riders and some tourists)
> > Changing the non bike culture will take more than dumping 100 second hand
> > bikes, just my feeling.  Really learning a lot from everyone's comments.
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 9, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Thomas Martin <thomas.martin6(a)pcc.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Beth:
> >>
> >> I think we need more information. knowledge of Location, geography,
> >> history of town, previous AT efforts, demographics and power structures
> >> will give us a better understanding of what you and the group is up
> >> against.
> >> While it may present an opportunity for bicycling, just dumping 100 or
> >> so bikes without infrastructure for maintenance, repair, storage, and
> >> access control will quickly be a nuisance to the community.
> >> I'm wondering if a larger conversation can happen with the townsfolk,
> >> before bikes are dropped in downtown. Maybe couch it as a leveraging
> >> tactic: "A benefactor/donor etc. is committing to establishing a
> >> community bike program, but they need some commitment from the
> >> community". This will take some work in researching for asks, what the
> >> community has done in the past, what recreational and economic
> >> opportunities there are, identifying allies, working with critical
> >> voices, etc.
> >>
> >> It seems that an organizer (grassroots) or planner (an enthusiastic city
> >> or county employee) could have a decent case study to develop. This
> >> point person would ideally work with interested community members, and
> >> not just be a lone voice in a city council meeting.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Martin
> >> Bike Program Coordinator
> >> Portland Community College- Cascade
> >> Room SC-03
> >> 705 N Killingsworth St
> >> Portland, OR 97217
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Beth Barnes <islow4bikes(a)gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> Could you weigh in, please. We have a small, remote rural town with no
> >>> real bike/Ped infrastructure...yet. A group wants to introduce about
> >>> 100 used bikes for people to use for free in an already ailing, small
> >>> downtown. Free bikes? What will that do to local, struggling bike
> >>> businesses? Bikes but no supporting infrastructure? Thank you for your
> >>> thoughts. Makes little sense to me.
>
>
>
>
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