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Today's Topics:

1. Re: bio cleaner, and bike blue book.... (Jonathan Morrison)
2. Valet Bike Parking (Jonathan Morrison)
3. Re: Valet Bike Parking (ronald ferrucci)
4. Re: Valet Bike Parking (keri conrad)
5. Re: Valet Bike Parking (Urban Bike Project of Wilmington, Inc.)
6. Re: Valet Bike Parking (Chris Carlsson)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:30:46 -0700
From: "Jonathan Morrison"
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bio cleaner, and bike blue book....
To: "The Think Tank"
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1) The Kelley Blue Book for cars is also affected by region too. We have a
unique issue because to keep our shop from getting too full we sell the
bikes for next to nothing, or give them away to people who have a letter
from a good will agency, just so they don't start stacking up. Working
Bikes in Chicago is a great example of an organization who makes their
margins in quantity.

2) http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Parts_Washers

--
Sincerely,

Jonathan Morrison
Executive Director
Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective
2312 S. West Temple
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
w: 801-328-2453
c: 801-688-0183
f: 801-466-3856
www.slcbikecollective.org

Get Addicted to Crank!
http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/
On Feb 10, 2008 12:17 AM, Angelo Coletta wrote:

> While there is no comprehensive pricing book for cycles, there are ones
> that have been done for those who collect "classic American bikes(1930 to
> 1960)"
>
> I have used a halfing method for appraisal. $200 was the new selling
> price; 1yr old $100; 2yr $50.00 and so forth. That is a base line. Then
> comes the art and the subjective: condition, desirability, rarity. Any
> up-fitting done? Frame type and size. Component quality. Accessories.
> All factors that affect value. Also there is the wholesale price and the
> retail price. That would reflect any labor invested in making the unit
> saleable.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Angelo
>
> *Velocipede Bike Project * wrote:
>
> So here are two hare brain ideas that have been thrown out here in
> baltimore and i wanted to get y'alls take on them...
>
> 1. a bicycle blue book...we were talking about pricing bikes and how
> arbitrary it often seems,(often two members will claim wildly different
> prices with equal authority and citing the same number of sources) and
> someone mentioned that in this time of the growing bicycle
> collective/community shop projects there may be enough of a market to be
> able to approach a publisher about creating a blue book that would price
> for instance, a 1982 murray...I know this sounds crazy, but I was
> wondering how crazy was it really....
>
> 2. Someone approached us recently about a bio friendly parts cleaner.
> Apparently it has enzymes that eat oil so less bad stuff going into the
> environment/less exposure to toxic chemicals ourselves. He said he may be
> able to get us a machine for free, but it would cost around a grand to
> fill it up. does anyone have any experience with this kind of machine or
> technology? Is it worth our time and fundraising? I've been thinking alot
> lately about ways to make our shop more green friendly by doing things
> like cutting down on plastic use and using vinegar and baking soda as
> cleaners instead of bleach and such...
>
> http://www.biocircle.com/portal/page?_pageid=73,394253&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
>
> what do y'all think? am I crazy?
> -beth
> velocipede bike project
> baltmore, md(hey, try to remember to include your city and shop in posts)
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:04:52 -0700
From: "Jonathan Morrison"
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Valet Bike Parking
To: "The Think Tank"
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Does anyone else do it?

http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Valet_Bike_Parking

--
Sincerely,

Jonathan Morrison
Executive Director
Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective
2312 S. West Temple
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
w: 801-328-2453
c: 801-688-0183
f: 801-466-3856
www.slcbikecollective.org

Get Addicted to Crank!
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:06:39 +0100
From: "ronald ferrucci"
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Valet Bike Parking
To: "The Think Tank"
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Sure as hell not me anymore.

On Feb 10, 2008 7:04 PM, Jonathan Morrison
wrote:
> Does anyone else do it?
>
> http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Valet_Bike_Parking
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Jonathan Morrison
> Executive Director
> Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective
> 2312 S. West Temple
> Salt Lake City, UT 84115
> w: 801-328-2453
> c: 801-688-0183
> f: 801-466-3856
> www.slcbikecollective.org
>
> Get Addicted to Crank!
> http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:59:53 -0700
From: "keri conrad"
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Valet Bike Parking
To: "The Think Tank"
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Only at events, from what I can tell. (Bike related, of course) Like
at the pedal pushers last year!

On 2/10/08, ronald ferrucci wrote:
> Sure as hell not me anymore.
>
> On Feb 10, 2008 7:04 PM, Jonathan Morrison
> wrote:
> > Does anyone else do it?
> >
> > http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Valet_Bike_Parking
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Jonathan Morrison
> > Executive Director
> > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective
> > 2312 S. West Temple
> > Salt Lake City, UT 84115
> > w: 801-328-2453
> > c: 801-688-0183
> > f: 801-466-3856
> > www.slcbikecollective.org
> >
> > Get Addicted to Crank!
> > http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/
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Keri


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:26:29 -0500
From: "Urban Bike Project of Wilmington, Inc."

Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Valet Bike Parking
To: "The Think Tank"
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We have and will continue to do so. Big race in Wilmington last year,
we parked about 200 bikes...It was a bit of a mess (most of these
bikes parked in a half hour immediately following a bike parade) but
our first time and plenty to be learned from the experience.

It get's your name out, people are very appreciative for not having to
lock up, some even throw a few bucks in the donation jar. We stapled
a piece of paper to each bike with information about our organization
and got lots of people emailing after the event.

We had a small "town square" type deal cordoned off and bikes were
parked with kickstands or leaned against trees/walls. Bikes were
tagged with a door hang type thing, the person parking got a small
piece of paper with a matching number that rips off the bottom (will
post a picture to the wiki when i can). I recommend against using
this system in the future because the door hangs are not very solidly
attached and fall off fairly easily.

There was no waiver form filled out (no time at all to fill out and
lines of 30-50 people waiting to park even without the waiver).

I believe we had 10 of us working the event and it got very hectic.
Ideally there would be 1-2 people just tagging bikes and 3-5 people
collecting the bikes at the entrance and parking them. For slower
volumes you can probably get away with less. We did have a problem
with people wandering in (friends or otherwise) to park or get their
bike on their own. I'd suggest volunteers wear identifying shirts
(different than shirts you may sell to the general public) to make
sure people are where they should be.

We also provided bike safety checks for people that were interested.

"Sure as hell not me anymore."

Ronald, what are the reasons you don't do bike parking? curious mainly.

Brian Windle

On 2/10/08, keri conrad wrote:
> Only at events, from what I can tell. (Bike related, of course) Like
> at the pedal pushers last year!
>
> On 2/10/08, ronald ferrucci wrote:
> > Sure as hell not me anymore.
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2008 7:04 PM, Jonathan Morrison
> > wrote:
> > > Does anyone else do it?
> > >
> > > http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Valet_Bike_Parking
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Jonathan Morrison
> > > Executive Director
> > > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective
> > > 2312 S. West Temple
> > > Salt Lake City, UT 84115
> > > w: 801-328-2453
> > > c: 801-688-0183
> > > f: 801-466-3856
> > > www.slcbikecollective.org
> > >
> > > Get Addicted to Crank!
> > > http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/
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>
> --
> Keri
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:34:00 -0800
From: "Chris Carlsson"
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Valet Bike Parking
To: "The Think Tank"
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The San Francisco Bicycle Coalition does it all the time at major events...
http://www.sfbike.org/
--cc

On Feb 10, 2008 10:04 AM, Jonathan Morrison
wrote:

> Does anyone else do it?
>
> http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Valet_Bike_Parking
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Jonathan Morrison
> Executive Director
> Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective
> 2312 S. West Temple
> Salt Lake City, UT 84115
> w: 801-328-2453
> c: 801-688-0183
> f: 801-466-3856
> www.slcbikecollective.org
>
> Get Addicted to Crank!
> http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/
>
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