I&#39;d like to second Clifford here--folks are on this list because they&#39;d like to be in touch with other bicycle collectives to discuss best practices, challenges, programs, etc, not to debate politics. I wouldn&#39;t want people to leave this list because it&#39;s too political and not bikey enough.  <div>

<br></div><div>The discussion of whether or not different groups associate with other political movements and groups has a lot of merit here, and I&#39;m sure that folks would be interested to hear about successes or challenges in creating partnerships between collectives and other social/political causes. Times Up&#39;s perspective would be valuable, for example--as an NYC co-op housed within a direct action environmental group, how does the co-op get involved? </div>

<div><br></div><div>Maybe we could navigate this thread back to folks&#39; experiences with their co-ops and political/social causes, keeping in mind that there are people on this list with varied political perspectives that deserve to be respected. </div>

<div><br></div><div>Best, </div><div>Mary Lauran</div><div>The Bike House</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Brian Stromberg <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:brian.stromberg@gmail.com">brian.stromberg@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p>Thanks for the reminder, Clifford. Apologies for perpetuating the  conversation.</p>
<p>I welcome any off-list replies.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Oct 14, 2011 8:03 AM, &quot;Clifford McCarten&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:director@communitybikeshop.org" target="_blank">director@communitybikeshop.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">

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<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Friends,</div><div>Keep in mind what this email list is for. If the conversation is going to go further in this direction, please consider taking it off-list.</div><div>Cheers,</div>


<div>Clifford.</div><div><div><br></div><div>B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop</div><div>336 Rubidge St, Peterborough ON</div><div><a href="http://communitybikeshop.org" target="_blank">communitybikeshop.org</a></div>


<div><a href="tel:%28705%29%20775-7227" value="+17057757227" target="_blank">(705) 775-7227</a></div><div><br></div><div><div>On 2011-10-14, at 2:20 AM, Wendy Monroe wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">


Pardon my jaded-ness, but  don&#39;t forget to post lots of comments about your &#39;occupation&#39; on Twitter and Facebook, so the NSA and police can track your every move.<div><br></div><div>The &#39;Occupy&#39; movement is suspiciously well-coordinated on an international level.. we got &#39;Occupy&#39; movements in most of the cities in Europe, including one scheduled for tomorrow in Amsterdam.  </div>


<div><br></div><div>I have read that this international grassroots movement  is  just false flag controlled opposition paid for by George Soros,</div><div>my advice is to not participate.</div><div><br></div><div>Wendy Monroe</div>


<div>De Fiets Fee</div><div>Amsterdam<span style="font-family:helvetica, arial;font-size:13px">d a sustainable and livable future and that will require ongoing political action. </span></div></div></blockquote></div><div>


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