It really has nothing to do if you are staff or a volunteer. To operate without insurance and coverage for your volunteers and staff in most states is illegal. The question comes down to what level of coverage you can afford to purchase.
The question was about cost and caps on per accident.
Bworks pays for our volunteers with our insurance if needed. We have only had one major event and a couple minor events over 22 years. About once a year we send a volunteer or kid to the hospital. We work on getting them to the treatment they need, then document as much as we can, review with a few people, and hope for the best.
So i could see if it was something that happened often it could hurt us financially.
But to say we should put the issue on the volunteers after handing them tools and putting them to work? Thats lame.
Patrick
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:50:52 -0500 From: bigjonbikes@gmail.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] injuries in shop
Patrick, I am a volunteer and a good one if I say myself, I enter my community bicycle shop at my own risk, yes, liability is good, I have my own insurance, I am responsible for my own life, most people do not feel the way I do, My community bicycle is doing me the favor by taking the risk to open, I know that my shop is not a day care center and as a volunteer I know the shop I attend they do everything they can to insure my saftey, but as a volunteer if I am working on a bicycle for someone and get hurt or mamed, that is my fault for taking the risk, volunteers are what they are volunteers. were just guessing here on this kind of forum, tito call a lawyer dude, ignorance is no excuse. this is silly we are all giving personal opinions...But I do love my community and there directors and board member rock!!
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Patrick VDT fivespeed_@hotmail.com wrote:
Im shocked at some of the responses of folks. Im sure others can speak more clearly on this than i, but volunteers or patrons can not sign away rights to a safe workspace etc etc.
Your volunteers are your staff, and as such should be treated like they are in any other work place, rights and rules.
Your patrons are the reason you are here. So to say that sorry your on your own for an injury is just poor planning.
I understand that part of this is budget planning for insurance etc, but to just say they are on there own is lame.
Patrick
www.StlBicycleWorks.Org
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:14:01 -0500 From: maryalice.walker@gmail.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] injuries in shop
Hi Tito,
We ask that our volunteers sign a liability waiver so that we are not liable for any injuries sustained as a result of participation in the co-op.
Maryalice
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op tito@sopobikes.org wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
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By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them,
but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances? Anyone combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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