What a jack ass. Threads like these make me not want to contribute.

Thinking that the bike is not a political tool for change is deluding, selling your self short.  British 19 century commies used the bike to get out to factors where the roads have not linked  to spread the word of labour rights a liberties.

Cars have been extremely stigmatized. They are a political force, they are killing everything. Dont kid your self about that. Ever heard of the AAA. Responsible for most of the expressways in America.

 Dont freak out over being called a hippe vegan. Guess what, vegans and hippies drive more then bike.  Its not about sexist comments, its keeping a positive outlook on cycling. Dont degrade your fellow cyclists,  use your energy to portray a respectful attitude that motorists lack.

Its not political , its called being a good person. I have fun being a good person, dont you. Being a sexist tyrant creates fun on another's expense.

Canada,
Geoff


On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:28 PM, David Hazardous <davidhazardous@gmail.com> wrote:
hey jackasses...

it's threads like these that make the public not take cycling seriously. bikes are not a bandwagon for political agendas. bikes are a mode of transportation. they help people get to work, the store, and yes, the bar. and people eat meat and make sexist remarks just as much on a bike. i am so sick of being labeled "vegan" or "hippie" or "liberal" because i ride a bike and don't own a car. hey fringe culture: stop co-opting a yet-unstigmatized vehicle to turn it into a political soapbox. NOT ALL BIKERS ARE IDEALIST TEETOTALERS. bikes aren't going to save the world, they're just going to give a few people reliable transportation. and fun. remember that? fun?

flame me all you want,
dhx


On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 7:11 PM, <undercovercop@riseup.net> wrote:
wow, michael, i'm sure you meant this in jest, but making cracks about a
woman having to wax to impress is pretty horribly sexist and leaves a
real bad taste in my mouth.

and perhaps you have an understanding with anibal that this kind of
joking around is okay. i have lots of friends i know i can safely tease
in all sorts of offensive ways.  however, this is a public list with
lots of folks who don't know one another. especially since you say you
don't know annibal, it's really tempting to read your joke as
straight-up sexist bullshit.

given how much really good thought and discussion i've seen this
community put into identifying and rooting out sexist bullshit, i gotta
say i think you're out of line.

hope you don't take offense,
benB
chicago community bike project

--
'every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist
the black flag, and begin slitting throats.'
       -h.l. mencken


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