Kieran, I agree with you.  Some of those accommodations like AirBnb can be quite expensive.

How is this for the beginnings of a budget template?  The costs are at the bottom-left.
http://robertgrossmandesign.com/community-bicycl…ess-model-canvas/

The only thing I've heard so far in regard to work permits is that it's easier to get student visas.  Ollin from GDL said that work visas are more expensive and require a sponsor.

Also, Paul from Working Bikes, brought up a good point about being able to provide a stipend to help facilitate an exchange for those who don't have the privilege to just up and take time off from their daily life.

I think the next steps would be to explore webtools.




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Ideas for places to Stay During an Exchange
From: "Kieran O'Neill" <oneillkza@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, November 19, 2017 8:30 pm
To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>

Just some thoughts:

- Some of these accommodation options (e.g. AirBnB) can be pretty pricey. I also see question marks around food, stipends and other resources to support exchange mechanics. Has there been any effort towards making template budgets for these items to help host shops determine costs?

- Has there been any thought about work permits (or similar) for international exchanges? Are there alternatives, such as internship-type programs?


On 17 November 2017 at 18:52, <rob@robertgrossmandesign.com> wrote:
All good points.

Here is an idea of what the Exchange experience could be like in a manner that takes it beyond the mailing list, gives it a space on bikecollectives.org as a link and an explanation.  



How to make it sustainable?





-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Ideas for places to Stay During an Exchange
 From: cyclista@inventati.org
Date: Thu, November 16, 2017 12:24 am
To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>

This sounds great! That kind of vacancy would be perfect.

But again, a primary missing device here is a consistent and sustainable
way to post availability in both directions.

Doing it informally, i.e. just by habitualizing it as a mailing list
thing, can be easy, but also easily atrophy, with new members of the
community completely unaware it was ever a practice or possibility.

Understood re: Godwin. I'd prefer to wait for their attention and do it
via bikecollectives.org. Is there a way to get word back if it can get
on their itinerary, even if only at some distant future point?

-Cyclista


On 2017-11-15 19:47, Paul Fitzgerald wrote:
> I'm hoping we can use a community organization's dormitory to host
> people.
> They have a dorm between two or three campuses in which they house
> first
> generation college students from families who have recently settled in
> the
> states... someone from their org mentioned that it was a shame that no
> one
> used the space during the summer.
>
> -p
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Robert Grossman <
> rob@robertgrossmandesign.com> wrote:
>
>> Noah, what do you mean by mailbox?
>>
>> Cyclists, all great input!
>> - community organizations
>> - campus housing
>> - airbnb special deal
>>
>> Just getting together some ideas of placesd for shops to consider
>> approaching to arrange a place to stay for a visiting exchange.
>>
>> This won't go on bikecollectives.org anytime soon. Godwin has his
>> hands
>> full.
>>
>> Keep the ideas coming!
>>
>> How about:
>> -YMCAS
>> -retired community member's homes
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2017 6:25 PM, "Noah Chubb-Silverman"
>> <noah@renobikeproject.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is mailbox a correct answer?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:24 PM, <cyclista@inventati.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I mean I guess why not use bikecollectives.org as the channel? Like
>>>> a
>>>> space/checkbox/description field/whatever set aside on every org's
>>>> page?
>>>>
>>>> -Cyclista
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-11-15 00:22, cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I guess the main step here would be a channel, hopefully a
>>>>> consistent and sustainable one, where regional CBS's could signify
>>>>> they have ready and arranged accommodations. The second thing would
>>>>> be
>>>>> a way to use that or a similar channel to announce when they are
>>>>> soliciting an exchange. In reverse that channel could be used by
>>>>> Directors or mechs or specialists of whatever type to announce they
>>>>> had availability in their schedule to travel, or even advertise
>>>>> types
>>>>> of info they had prepared for exchange.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even then we still get stuck at travel expenses. But we can tackle
>>>>> that separately.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Cyclista
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-11-15 00:14, cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking for myself, if I was being hosted I'd like choices.
>>>>>> Camping
>>>>>> in someone's backyard might be an excellent and preferable option
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> times of the year, while being hosted in someone's actual house
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> be nicer at other times or in other circumstances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember at the regional BikeBike! in Troy they had a huge
>>>>>> repurposed church (which I believe was The Center For Independent
>>>>>> media?) and they had a huge sleepover for at least fifty of us in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> huge congregation chamber (it was a lot of fun). They had a huge
>>>>>> kitchen and everything. Places like that exist in a lot of towns
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> are often ready to step up as hosts as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know Cornell here in Ithaca has small apartments withing the
>>>>>> campus
>>>>>> often not attached to any dormitory explicitly set aside for
>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>> professors and speakers. Accommodations like that are probably a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> thing for all of us to start setting up ot just for this project,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> for all kinds of other exchanges as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even a place that usually does AirBNB but which had an standing
>>>>>> agreement with organizations to reserve the space for visiting
>>>>>> exchangers would be effective. I think the options are fairly
>>>>>> diverse
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Cyclista
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2017-11-14 23:05, Robert Grossman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Think Tank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How might we house visiting our shops to help for extended
>>>>>>> periods?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please reply to the thread with ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a start :
>>>>>>> - volunteers with spare room
>>>>>>> -hostels
>>>>>>> -Catholic Ministries
>>>>>>> -CAIN in Cincinnati
>>>>>>> -airbnb
>>>>>>> -camp in a backyard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What else could go on this list?
>>>>>>>
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