As already mentioned, it's a perfect opportunity to make "them" part of "us". If they become members of your collective and at least one of them gets "training" needed, to open/run/close shop, then it's def a win/win. Your shop gains members, support, etc and your hipsters gets their fixies and a chance to be part of something great. Let them know what your requirements are and if they're really into it, there should be no problem. If it's not gonna cause huge uproar in the shop, create more work or costs for the collective/ members/organizers, then never turn down any "them" (aka, potential "us") that wanna play in the shop...esp. if you have the capacity. 1da
Wanda Pelegrina Caldas
Wanda@CommunityCycles.org
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> 1. Non-collective Members opening the shop. (plan_9@riseup.net)
> 2. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Rich Points)
> 3. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Rich Points)
> 4. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Wilbur Ince)
> 5. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (yellow bike)
> 6. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Matt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:51:27 -0700
> From: plan_9@riseup.net
> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop.
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> We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor,
> hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day
> when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and
> modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and
> autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that
> are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already
> open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside
> of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers.
> Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop
> available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We
> have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups,
> etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do
> any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure
> that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random
> folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective
> member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this?
> Thanks,
> Andrew
> FM Community Bicycle Workshop
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:59:33 -0600
> From: Rich Points <rich@richpoints.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop.
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@bikecollectives.org>
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> Make them members, expand your capacity.
>
> R
>
> plan_9@riseup.net wrote:
> > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor,
> > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day
> > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and
> > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and
> > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that
> > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already
> > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside
> > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers.
> > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop
> > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We
> > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups,
> > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do
> > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure
> > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random
> > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective
> > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this?
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> > FM Community Bicycle Workshop
> >
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> Rich@CommunityCycles.org
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:59:33 -0600
> From: Rich Points <rich@richpoints.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop.
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@bikecollectives.org>
> Cc: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
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> Make them members, expand your capacity.
>
> R
>
> plan_9@riseup.net wrote:
> > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor,
> > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day
> > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and
> > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and
> > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that
> > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already
> > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside
> > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers.
> > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop
> > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We
> > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups,
> > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do
> > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure
> > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random
> > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective
> > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this?
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> > FM Community Bicycle Workshop
> >
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> Community Cycles Director
> http://CommunityCycles.org
> Rich@CommunityCycles.org
> 720-565-6019
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>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:08:45 -0500
> From: Wilbur Ince <Wilbur@Wilbur.us>
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop.
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@bikecollectives.org>
> Message-ID: <4874E28D.9060401@Wilbur.us>
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> There's something there for you and something there for them, so find
> the middle ground. As Rich said, you have a chance at new collective
> members. If you have nights available, by all means, give them a
> night. They are interested in the shop time, so I bet you can get them
> to meet your conditions - like keeping shop clean - greeting people who
> stop by - opening their sessions to drop-ins, etc. Could be a great
> win-win.
>
> Wilbur Ince
> Sibley Bike Depot
> Saint Paul, MN
>
>
>
> plan_9@riseup.net wrote:
> > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor,
> > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day
> > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and
> > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and
> > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that
> > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already
> > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside
> > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers.
> > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop
> > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We
> > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups,
> > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do
> > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure
> > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random
> > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective
> > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this?
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> > FM Community Bicycle Workshop
> >
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:32:41 -0500
> From: "yellow bike" <austinyellowbike@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop.
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> "There's something there for you and something there for them, "
>
> is a quote that struck me, because i think this is a way of thinking that we
> aspire to modify - the "us" and "them" mentality. we at austin yellow bike
> have fallen into this way of thinking often, and i think it's helpful to
> take a step back and realize that, at least in our case, the collective
> performs a community service, and those who benefit from this service should
> be brought into the fold.
>
> ideally, everyone who uses our community bike shop on a regular basis
> volunteers time equal to what they use; this creates a sense of shared
> mission and cooperation that is all too often lacking in our society.
>
> so, i strongly recommend that any "hipsters" who want to have the
> opportunity to open a special shop night for themselves should be required
> to become collective members themselves, and receive whatever training
> anyone else in the collective receives to run a shop.
>
> jennifer schaffer
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Wilbur Ince <Wilbur@wilbur.us> wrote:
>
> > There's something there for you and something there for them, so find the
> > middle ground. As Rich said, you have a chance at new collective members.
> > If you have nights available, by all means, give them a night. They are
> > interested in the shop time, so I bet you can get them to meet your
> > conditions - like keeping shop clean - greeting people who stop by - opening
> > their sessions to drop-ins, etc. Could be a great win-win.
> >
> > Wilbur Ince
> > Sibley Bike Depot
> > Saint Paul, MN
> >
> >
> >
> > plan_9@riseup.net wrote:
> >
> > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, hipsters,
> > asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day when we are not
> > open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and modifications on their own
> > bikes and are somewhat competent and autonomous mechanics. We don't really
> > have any collective members that are willing or able to staff another shift
> > beyond what we are already open. We know some of these folks pretty well on
> > a personal, outside of the shop level, but not too many have been active
> > volunteers. Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop
> > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We have
> > opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, etc) but
> > always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do any shops make
> > exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure that things are getting
> > paid for, tools being used properly, random folks stopping by being
> > respected, etc. without having a collective member in the place? Any
> > problems from shops that have done this?
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> > FM Community Bicycle Workshop
> >
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:33:58 -0400
> From: Matt <mattface@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop.
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> I think this could be a good thing. it could expand your membership
> base, and your hours if you play it right. I would ask them to become
> active members, and have them commit to having a regular shift. Also I
> wouldn't want them turning away folks who want to work on geared
> bikes. It's fine to focus on fixed gears for their shift, but it
> reflects poorly on your organization if they are alienating folks who
> don't have the kind of bikes they prefer.
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2008, at 11:51 AM, plan_9@riseup.net wrote:
>
> > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor,
> > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day
> > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and
> > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and
> > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members
> > that are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are
> > already open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal,
> > outside of the shop level, but not too many have been active
> > volunteers. Basically we trust some of them and would like to make
> > the shop available to them but am not sure as to how to do it
> > equitably. We have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk
> > youth groups, etc) but always staffed by a willing and able
> > collective member. Do any shops make exceptions for folks like this?
> > How do you make sure that things are getting paid for, tools being
> > used properly, random folks stopping by being respected, etc.
> > without having a collective member in the place? Any problems from
> > shops that have done this?
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> > FM Community Bicycle Workshop
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Thethinktank mailing list
> > Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org
> > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org
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