I don't really think that's the right attitude to have. That's assuming that everyone who has questions about this has absolutely NO IDEA what it's about, when I'm pretty sure it's quite the contrary. I, for example, had wrestled with the notion for many months, but couldn't bring myself to sign off on it. It took a Bike!Bike! workshop to get me to finally see the purpose of it, and I credit it mostly to a room of twenty-something people all with different opinions sharing everything they had. Eventually, someone's going to agree with someone.

And when applied to any problem, it's a sour way to introduce someone to a solution. Bikes, for example. We like those :)

If we told everyone that we deal with problems pertaining to bicycles all day, and that they should look into it on their own for a while before they come to us and expect us to spend an hour and a half helping them fix their problem, we'd have absolutely zero return customers.

Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:12:07 -0400
From: kathleenmachine@gmail.com
To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike?

 please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.

peace, kathleen
bike pirates/ community bicycle network
toronto canada

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, <veganboyjosh@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Forrest Cutrer <fbcuter@msn.com> wrote:
Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.

couldn't have said this better myself.

i finally dug out my copy to see if i could find kanako's (the author) email address. it's in there, along with a note that says "feel free to copy and distribute, even add/expand on this zine."

with that in mind, i'm scanning it now. will post a note when it's been uploaded to the attack sit---i mean, bcn wiki.

i for one am definitely interested in feedback from men, women, and everyone else, once they've read it...i feel like bikebike is such a finite time in which to discuss these types of broad issues. the workshops tend to overrun, side discussions are quashed, etc.

would love to see some longer term discussions about oppression and some of the other large societal issues we as bike shops and as people face happening either on this list or somewhere.

thanks y'all.


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