What Ken said -- our goals are to increase cycling and cycling mechanical knowledge overall, and there's a lot more people in the groups that aren't straight, white, older, English-speaking dudes than in the group that is, and there's a million ways to reach out to them. We can argue about what to call the non-SWOEDs, but if we get to a point where they're 100% cycling and cycling-aware but nobody else is, we've all failed. Miserably.
I'd also like to say that we should sort of assume that everyone here kind of knows their local target audiences. If a shift cheekily labeled WTF (Women-Trans-Femme) plays in SF but not Peoria, I'd trust the San Franciscans to run with the name and Peoria folks to find something more in tune with their community.
While we're going on about the offensiveness of labels, try to realize too that there are plenty that find the label "cyclist" somewhat offensive or inapplicable to them. I don't wear spandex. I don't salmon. All my bikes are steel with many gears and brakes and on-road tires. I don't ride on sidewalks. Hell, unless I'm trying to get somewhere specific, I don't even ride a bike. Yet I log as many bike miles as many of the underprivileged (and sometimes undocumented) folks here in Sacramento who can't afford cars, still have to get to work or school, and don't consider themselves "cyclists". Which reminds me that we need to widen our outreach...
--Ryan
P.S. I'd hope that any organization sporting the "Plan B" label in this day and age is in tune with feminist thought. From what I remember of Victor at Bike!Bike! San Marcos, I have no concerns on that front.
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:55 AM, ken eby-Gomez kebygomez@gmail.com wrote:
Much love for OP and PlanB, and really only one thing to say about this issue: if you disagree with bringing identities and anti-oppressive language into cycling, good for you, just don't even bother to speak up about it. In no way does a specifically trans, or spanish speaking, or women oriented (or anything) cycling space impede conventional cycling crowds access to cycling, whereas conventional cycling, because of the culture here, impedes others' access to cycling. There is enough written about feminism, race, disability/access, on the internet so this really doesn't need to be a long thread on thinktank.
But this stance of "cycling for everybody", and not specifically putting energy into other marginalized groups, was ultimately divisive and an obstacle to achieving our mission here in San Diego.
ken
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Excited to see the OPs crankin' it up! The discussion is worthy also, as evidenced by folks of different types and places on both sides of the divide.
One way to look at this is the difference between Equitable and Equal. Equitable analysis treats different people appropriately different. We wouldn't ask a friend with a handcycle to go ride single track. While Equal is a value and aspiration, we all know that people are born, raised and live in different circumstances. Acknowledging these differences and accommodating them allows everyone to rise to their fullest potential.
So, while we might desire to live in a post gender/racial/sectarian/sex preference world, the folks at OP seem to be making very real progress toward their potential by creating a space where they can address their needs. There is no doubt that bicycles (especially in North America) have and are largely the province of males. If male presence/dominance keeps some people from getting involved, let's not ask them to feel unsafe/unwelcome/unappreciated/etc. ...let's give them the support they say they need.
In my experience, Separatism is often a transitional strategy, giving people the time and supportive space to accumulate the skills, knowledge, culture and confidence to relate to the plural community. There is significant research on the success of separate space in education (gals and math achievement, for instance). While I doubt that the need for separate space will go away anytime soon, I'm sure that the folks at OP (and others similarly situated) would be feeling a bunch better if white males (and others) were quick to recognize and support their efforts. We'll all be better off with more people riding/maintaining their own bikes.
Thanks for using bikes to change the world!
Kevin The Bicycle Collective Salt Lake City
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:29 AM, jonny b jonny@goodlifebikes.ca wrote:
Way to go Ovarian Psychos! It's great to hear the good news and I look forward to hearing more about it.
... And I'm totally amazed/blown away that we're still having conversations about the necessity of things like Ladies, Trans and Sissies night. Our lil' shop (in redneck Calgary, Alberta) has seen huge community benefits from similar safe spaces. A few people (white dudes) have complained/not joined/etc over it and fuck'em - feminism's a founding and explicit principle of our initiative and outshines any dude's need to prove some shitty point. There's plenty of resources for doubtful dudes to read through - people have already put the effort into creating them, so it's easy to just have a few zines on hand or invite people to look it up themselves!
Love from Jonny
PS. Can't wait to see Plan B!
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Wendy Monroe wendy.monroe@usermail.com wrote:
I agree, to me also, it makes more sense to identify as a human being
and
cyclist first.
In my opinion, identity politics makes non useful distinctions between people… encourages divisiveness. We have a lot more in common with each other as human beings who ride
bikes,
than the superficial distinctions that may differentiate us such as
skin
color, whom we partner with, what gender clothes we might prefer to
wear…
Just a thought as a bike repairer in a multiethnic neighborhood in Amsterdam.
Wendy Monroe
On 04 Jan 2013, at 01:24, mfen651@aol.com wrote:
Victor and all,
I can not help but respond to this. Some of you will see my response
as
negative, others as offensive, and a very few, as honest, authentic,
and
right on.
I'd like to try to soften all and any reactions for what is worth by
sharing
that I have spent fourteen years in offices, assemblies, workshops,
courts,
and other places, as a mediator listening (in many venues) to people "explain" themselves and their reason for their behaviors.
I for one am tired of the labels minority, protected class, gender
oppressed
and a host of others that I am not going to waste yours, mine or anyone else's time listing.
In today's world, where more is spent on defense than on homelessness,
and
even more is spent on political campaigns than on those who don't have
food
to eat, one doesn't have to look far to see the worlds priorities are somewhat misaligned.
That said, I would no more supports an advocacy group that would call
itself
"The Ovarian Psychos" or "Plan B Ladies, Trans and Sissies". Those
very
names are offensive to me, let alone millions (I'd bet) that are theoretically described by those names or labels as they would be
properly
called.
Perhaps the one label I wear proudly is that of cyclist. I ride with
many,
of all genders, races, cultures, and sexual preferences, as well as
life
style choices. Really, I could give a rats ass in you know where what anyone's choices are with regards to those labels. I care only that
they
like me, enjoy a ride, and off we go. This attitude has brought me new experiences, new friends, and best of all, new knowledge. Knowledge
that
reinforces my stance here.
If we are to label one another in terms of gender preference, sexual preference or racial character, then we acknowledge that we have a
bias...to
that label or we would not accept it. If we do that, then we fan the
fires
of bias and conversely indicate our prejudice. If you are one, than
you are
the other, and then you become part of the problem, not part of the solution.
I do not thing this matter belongs as a subset of cycling. Perhaps
blended
populations should be. Perhaps world peace should be. Perhaps
feeding the
world population should be. Perhaps exposing one or another group
that seem
underrepresented in cycling should be, but it should not be the other
way
around as you are advocating for.
Cycling is for just about everyone, and at some point in time, if we
can
create the accessibility that we need to be focused on, if we can
create the
motivational messages that we should be focused on, if we can create
the
understanding that we should be focused on, then one day is might be everyone, rather than just about everyone.
I can support or ask anyone to advocate or support what you are
suggesting
here, nor do I thing the subject line is fitting. This is not
supportive of
women, its supportive of a very unique and niche group of women, whom
do not
and should not enjoy the support of the majority of women. By
adopting the
label, name if you will they have, they demean the larger population of females in the world.
Again, this is my thoughts based on a life time of promoting
understanding
and communication between all people of the planet and just hopefully, beyond.
Happy New Year Everyone.
Sincerely,
Matt Fenichel
-----Original Message----- From: mustafaa ali ali.mustafaa@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Support women.
On Dec 17, 2012 6:04 PM, "Plan B" nolabikeproject@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Y'all, As you may be aware, one of the overriding characteristics of Plan B,
The
New Orleans Community Bike Project is our belief and constant
practice of
“practical radicalism”. We believe that one of the most efficient and practicable ways to espouse culture shift is by performing outreach
and
enacting mutual social aid. We've learned this in a concise manner
during
our history. We made the original call for Bike!Bike! in 2004, a tradition that has progressed into an enormous gathering that crosses borders and causes
global
impact. We're proud to host Bike!Bike! X, the tenth gathering and
conference
and hope to introduce new traditions by expanding programming and
offering
more than ever before. The Chainbreaker book, written by Shelley Jackson and Ethan Clark is another one of Plan B's babies and it's publishing was a definite
push for
DIY culture. Due to the generosity of Working Bikes in Chicago, we have a regular supply of raw materials and used bikes that we use to teach classes
and
further our outreach. We have shared the bikes with new community bike projects in Mississippi and Alabama and are eager to distribute more regionally. We also use the sale of bikes to fund the space and
special
projects like our recent trip to present at 5th Annual National Urban Cycling Congress in Oaxaca, Mexico. We co-presented with
representatives
from several other community bike initiatives from across the US in an attempt to espouse more like-minded initiatives as a force of
economic and
social justice throughout all of the Americas. Our presentation
garnered a
lot of interest and we are working with several new initiatives
throughout
Mexico in a support and advisory role. We know that outreach is
working and
we expect a strong presence of Mexican allies at Bike!Bike! X. One of the more exciting things that happened at Bike!Bike! 2012 was
that
race was finally a real topic. Contributing factors were a
combination of
workshops and the presence of more people of color at Bike!Bike! than
ever
before. The Ovarian Psychos ( http://ovarianpsycos.com/about/ ) were
an
impressive presence at the gathering and for the first time ever, an organized group by and for women with a strong base of people of color unified many within our group. These sisters don't mess around and
they are
now committed to launching their own community bike space. Plan B
Ladies,
Trans and Sissies night (
http://bikeproject.org/programs/ladies-trans-queer
) has committed to help them accomplish this[ and ]that's why we're
asking
for your support. Our latest initiative is a little different and for the first time
ever,
we're crowd-sourcing the funding. Our Ladies, Trans, and Sissies night coordinators, Tracey and Alisha, are going from LA to L.A. to support
the
OP's and bring them resources and materials. The reason I'm sending
this out
to the ThinkTank and distributing this appeal far and wide (and
hoping you
all do the same) is that I think for many of us this is an excellent opportunity to contribute to a cause that is greater than any of us
and
something that's always been prevalent in our discussions of social
equity
within our milieu. Specifically, the topic is gender and gender
oppression,
and no matter how much we discuss it at a conference or try to
resolve it,
the bluntest truth is that the core of the hard work in achieving
gender
equity is done by women, for women and while males can certainly be
allies
and supporters, the best situation is to allow women to be
self-determined
and invest in their own communities devoid of patriarchy and male
voices.
Won't you join us in supporting gender equity and social justice
within
the realm of community bike projects? Even if it's $5, anything helps
for
this important work to be done. The goal of $1000 is on the low side.
We'd
love to be able to support them fiscally and provide several tools
and plant
the seeds for this very important space to flourish and cause real
change.
Here's the link to the indiegogo page where you can read more about
it.
http://www.indiegogo.com/LTS2OPB
I'll be happy to answer any questions in this thread. Please support
if
you can and help spread the word. Can't wait to see you all in October, 2013!
All the best,
-- Victor Pizarro Project Organizer Plan B, The New Orleans Community Bike Project
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