The migration of MailMan is complete! 

Ainsley, thank-you, for your kind and thoughtful words.  I strongly feel this is a giant leap forward to strengthen our efforts at disbursing knowledge and inspiration to new and existing bike projects around the world.

Main page for TheThinkTank: https://lists.bikecollectives.org/postorius/lists/thethinktank.lists.bikecollectives.org/

Archives for all discussion lists: https://lists.bikecollectives.org/hyperkitty/

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-Jonathan

On 2023-03-17 09:02, Ainsley Naylor via Thethinktank wrote:

Wow! Thanks so much for all of your efforts to save and restore the archives, and to maintain this list-serve in general.

 

I hope this leads to a lot more usability, especially for new groups and new members who may have a lot of questions we have already put a lot of discussion into over the years :)

 

All the best as we move into the Thinktank's future,

 

Ainsley (Toronto)

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 3:16 AM Jonathan Rosenbaum via Thethinktank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote:

Dear Thinkers & Researchers @ the Tank,

In the next few days we will be migrating our discussion lists away from DreamHost to a modern MailMan software platform (mailman 3) hosted at our own server.  This is an awesome milestone for us, and a long time in the making.

As far back as 2015 (almost 8 years ago), I observed that the archives for TheThinkTank became unavailable when DreamHost updated their hardware.  At that time, in a conversation with the subject line "Update on the Archives", I suggested that we should consider moving away from dependence on a third party hosting service.  Ironically, that conversation does not exist in the current archives at DreamHost because all the data between January 17, 2015 to May 13, 2015 was lost by their system.  However, I recovered those conversations from my personal email stash, and they are now included in the new archiving system called HyperKitty.

Better Search Capability:

Another issue we have frequently experienced over the years has been the unavailability of the search engine known as htdig (ht://Dig errors). We now have a new search engine called Xapian.  Even when htdig was available, as I pointed out at our recent Tech meeting, the level of detail when performing searches with Xapian is like comparing the difference between the Hubble Space Telescope and the James Web Space Telescope. 

HyperKitty (Achiver):

HyperKitty provides a modern frontend to MailMan.

You can now create an account where you may associate your email addresses subscribed to bikecollectives.org discussion lists.  When you are logged in to your account, one powerful feature, similar to google groups web interface or traditional online bulletin boards, is that you now have the ability to directly interact with email threads or create new ones without having to utilize your own email client.

You can favorite and/or like discussions, and if you have a Gravatar ( https://wordpress.com/me ), it will be visible.  Markdown capability is available, but it only works in HyperKitty, so if you want to experiment with this capability, keep in mind that people will see your markdown in normal emails.  Directions can be found at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/rendering.html under Rendering Rules.

Recommendation for digest subscribers: Because we now have this awesome capability, rather than replying directly to digest emails, please utilize the login capability of HyperKitty to easily jump into the parts of the threads you want to interact with.  This avoids breaking up the thread, which makes the discussion easier for all to understand.

Migration and New Home Considerations:

After the migration, the web interface will be available at https://lists.bikecollectives.org/ and will no longer say "The list overview page has been disabled temporarily" as found at the current non-secure web interface at http://lists.bikecollectives.org/ .  This should all happen, no later, than by Monday, March 20, 2023.

The migration consists of changing the DNS addresses to our new email server and mailman 3 discussion list software.  Usually in most parts of the world this is a fast process, but there are some DNS servers that are slow to update their cache.  This means that some of you may experience the phenomenon where your emails will still end up at the DreamHost instance, and you continue to see the old website.  If that is the case, you may want to consider using a different nameserver, like 1.1.1.1, and to ask your service provider to update their DNS servers.

Because our email server is brand new, it doesn't have an established reputation for its IP address.  However, fortunately our lists address, lists.bikecollectives.org, has a good reputation.  Most likely, hopefully, we won't experience issues from larger services that scrutinize bulk email.  However, we will be monitoring our logs carefully.  Google (gmail), which represents a large percentage of TheThinkTank subscribers, rate limits the number of emails received by their service to 60 per/minute.  Erring on the safe-side, we will rate limit emails we are sending out to 30 per/minute, which means emails sent to TheThinkTank should reach everyone in about 30 minutes.

If you are experiencing issues after the change, please contact me: Jonathan Rosenbaum <bike@bikelover.org> . 

Other:

It should be pointed out, that gmail users who are normal subscribers generally do not receive back a copy of the email they send out to MailMan, see https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 for an explanation.  However, gmail users who are normal subscribers should receive replies, as well as new threads.

Other than that .. Yay!!

-Jonathan

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