Hi FolksNot the best time to re-locate given the global pandemic, but maybe some Canadians are interested in this job posting. Willing to accept late applications.Be well all you good peoples,GeoffOn Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:03 PM <thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote:Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to
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From: Lawrence Mohammed <law@probikeservice.co.uk>
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Hey Cory!
I currently run a bicycle workshop out of a 30ft x 10ft container (3
workstations), previously ran a pilot from a 20ft x 8ft6" container (2
workstations, minimal storage)......answering your questions...
I've been offered a shipping container in a BMX park to use for a
fledgling co-op.
/each shipping container has a unique ID - much like a car registration
plate - use this to find the year and history - if the container is very
old and/or damaged/too rusty, you may be better off with another./
I want to hear from others who operate out of containers. What has your
experience been like?? What challenges does operating out of a container
present that a traditional retail/warehouse space does not?? How do you
address those challenges?
/space is the main concern, then temperature, then functionality..../
/8ft 6" is difficult - you can setup workstands here but with internal
insulation and fitouts it will be a squeeze...unless...you have wall
mounted stands and access one side only
/
/w.r.t temperature you have two options - totally sealed with spray
insulation (about ?2500 for a small container in London UK, though
highly toxic and bad for the environment) or glass-fibre insulation and
allowing the unit to 'breathe' through vents - I chose the latter/
/whatever you do, avoid cutting holes in the roof or walls - the
strength of the container is due to the corrugation - also you'd avoid
leaks and potential security weaknesses
/
/another thing?? NEVER place the container on soil where the bottom of
the container touches the ground - containers can rust and rot easily.?
Also, for this reason, I coated ours with 4 coats of Hammerite and the
roof with an additional 2 coats of bitumen paint
/
/
/
My plan is to provide tools and two or three stands (spaced very
generously apart) for DIY service as well as a small selection of new
consumables (cables, housing, ferrules, etc) on a PWYC basis.
/I built all the racking and timber fitout on both containers -
advice....use std size containers and build the racking around this (or
just buy custom heavy duty racking if you have budget).? If using a std
20ft x 8'6" container you can get 2 stands in, if a std 40ft, 4 stands/
/conventional container fitouts in the UK use 6mm ply and 44mm timber.?
I used what I could access (18mm ply and 2" x 4" timber) and was so glad
I had these!? the walls are strong enough (especially with battens) for
hanging shelving and bikes etc...though the overall weight is high/
Partially finance the above by selling refurbished donated bikes.
/depends where you are but where I am this is not a money-earner -
servicing is where the income is/
Provide a small selection of used parts (taken from donated bikes that
aren't safe/worth refurbishing) on a PWYC basis.
/good idea - ensure everything is tested first where possible or offer
on the basis of 'sold as seen'/
All of this will be on a seasonal basis.? May-Oct.? If it lasts longer
than this season, I'll grow it as I'm able in the future.
/the current container has walls and ceiling insulated with 50mm
recycled glass-bottle fibre insulation behind 18mm ply.? (With a 2kw oil
radiator, this is okay to work inside, down to around 0 degrees C) /
Right now my primary goal is to take advantage of the surge of interest
in cycling to get more people on bikes.
/brilliant!!/
I'm also interested in diverting as much waste from landfills as
possible, and would love to hear any ideas about converting frames/parts
to useable objects (repair stands, tables, clocks, whatever).
/we're also moving to zero waste...some of the things we've created (and
sold) have been..../
/Coffee Table/
/Light Stand/
/Belts (most common)/
/Bottle openers/
/Clocks/
/Keyrings/
/
/
/we've also supplied 'waste streams' (such as old inner tubes) to local
artists for upcycling/
/
/
Let me know if I can be of more assistance Cory and all the best with this!
In service,
*Lawrence Mohammed*
CEO and Founder
Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
*+44 (0)77 222 58587*
*probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>*
/::Olympic Park Site::
Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
Multi-Storey Car Park, Lesney Avenue
Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park
London E20 3BS
*map location <https://what3words.com/upset.habit.funds>*
/
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Hi All,
I thought I would share this job description. Full Job Description
attached. We are looking for someone to lead a Sunday team entirely devoted
to supplying bikes to refugees, asylum seekers and others in need. An
important part of the position is to develop a more diverse group of
volunteers.
Any advice on how to increase diversity would be appreciated.
Geoff Smart
Back2Bikes
Port Melbourne
Australia
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 10:43:30 +0000
From: Lawrence Mohammed <law@probikeservice.co.uk>
To: "Cory W. W" <cory.ww@mail.com>,
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Ah, if storage only, you'll have loads of room for that in a secure place!
Re: container siting, I mention as the first (pilot) workshop I built by
fitting out an empty container which was a little beaten up and rusty
but otherwise looked okay, sited on gravel/soil.? It was part of another
project which split and the project lead asked me to pay ?1000 if I
wanted the container I'd fitted out, which I thought was a little
steep.? Using the container number, I got the history, found it was
30yrs old and the value (in the condition I started fitting it out) was
?50! I was also advised not to buy it as it wasn't likely to last much
longer - learnt the hard way ;)
re: litres/gallons of paint...I recall about ten 5l tins of paint being
used and two 5l tins of bitumen paint.? This is usually really
expensive.? We have a 'surplus paint' store nearby which takes excess
commercial paint and strains/mixes it....this is about 1/10th the price
of new paint and saves waste.? Maybe something like that near you?? I
generally over-engineer things - you can get probably away with a couple
coats
re: inside layout - have a look at the videos here
<https://vimeo.com/427446631> and here
<https://vimeo.com/454736433>....if more info's useful, let me know what
I can share
re: economic model - we run on a gift economy (essentially 'pay what you
can').? We're located next to some of the most expensive real estate in
London yet in one of the four adjoining boroughs here there's the 2nd
highest rate of homelessness in the UK.? We also have the highest rate
of bike theft in the UK in another adjoining borough...we're on the same
page with the financial barrier to entry ;)
In service,
*Lawrence Mohammed*
CEO and Founder
Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
*+44 (0)77 222 58587*
*probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>*
/::Olympic Park Site::
Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
Multi-Storey Car Park, Lesney Avenue
Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park
London E20 3BS
*map location <https://what3words.com/upset.habit.funds>*
/
On 11/02/2021 00:29, Cory W. W wrote:
> Hey Lawrence,
> Thanks for the wealth of information you provided.
> /each shipping container has a unique ID - much like a car
> registration plate - use this to find the year and history - if the
> container is very old and/or damaged/too rusty, you may be better off
> with another./
> This is good to know.
> /space is the main concern, then temperature, then functionality..../
> /8ft 6" is difficult - you can setup workstands here but with internal
> insulation and fitouts it will be a squeeze...unless...you have wall
> mounted stands and access one side only/
> Stands will only be stored inside, they will be used outside.? At
> first, I will use the Feedback and Park Tool portable stands, down the
> road I have an idea for making repair stands out of old bikes which
> will be ratcheted to dollies so they can be easily moved in and out of
> the container.? Tool boards will likewise be portable.? This is to say
> that I won't be having clients working on their bikes inside the
> container, it's just there to store bikes, parts and tools.
> I think as long as I maintain a reasonable number of bikes and parts
> and make good use of the space, I should be OK for storage.? (I can
> donate excess to upcyclers, other co-ops, etc).
> /NEVER place the container on soil where the bottom of the container
> touches the ground - containers can rust and rot easily./
> Just asked my friends who offered the container... it is on soil
> unfortunately.? I'll have to assess the condition and see if anything
> can be done.
> /Also, for this reason, I coated ours with 4 coats of Hammerite and
> the roof with an additional 2 coats of bitumen paint/
> How many litres/gallons did you need?
> /I built all the racking and timber fitout on both containers -
> advice....use std size containers and build the racking around this
> (or just buy custom heavy duty racking if you have budget).? If using
> a std 20ft x 8'6" container you can get 2 stands in, if a std 40ft, 4
> stands/
> /conventional container fitouts in the UK use 6mm ply and 44mm
> timber.? I used what I could access (18mm ply and 2" x 4" timber) and
> was so glad I had these!? the walls are strong enough (especially with
> battens) for hanging shelving and bikes etc...though the overall
> weight is high/
> I was thinking of building some simple racks for bike storage, or
> welding some hooks to the wall.? Do you have any pics of your setup?
> /depends where you are but where I am this is not a money-earner -
> servicing is where the income is/
> I'm concerned about making a service oriented model for a number of
> reasons.? The first and most important is I don't want money to be a
> barrier for people.? I mean, yes, I'll be financing this myself and it
> would be nice to break even, but also, I would expect that working in
> a BMX park, my client base will skew young and may not have a lot of
> disposeable income and I don't want to be the asshole that tells some
> poor kid they can't fix their bike because they don't have three
> dollars or whatever.
> I'd rather have a no pressure environment that fosters growth and
> empowerment.? I was leaning towards a sell refurbished bikes model
> because with the bike shortage and being in a large city (Toronto) I
> figured I could generate decent sales in the summer.? Although if
> you're right, I will have to figure something else out.
> /good idea - ensure everything is tested first where possible or offer
> on the basis of 'sold as seen'/
> Definitely.
> /the current container has walls and ceiling insulated with 50mm
> recycled glass-bottle fibre insulation behind 18mm ply.? (With a 2kw
> oil radiator, this is okay to work inside, down to around 0 degrees C) /
> Good to know, but I'm keeping this a seasonal operation for the time
> being.? My city has an initiative called ActiveTO which closes of
> parts of high traffic roads during weekends for part of the year to
> encourage safe and healthy ways of getting around.
> It was a huge success and my original idea was to simply promote
> cycling by piggybacking on it with an outdoor DIY setup on one of
> those routes.? It was when I brought that up to friends that I was
> offered the container and am now looking at the logistics of that. But
> the point is I'm just looking to capitalize on the seasonal surge of
> cyclists to promote cycling.? I have other plans for winter.
> Thanks again for your help.
> *Sent:*?Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 5:04 PM
> *From:*?"Lawrence Mohammed" <law@probikeservice.co.uk>
> *To:*?thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
> *Subject:*?Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 173, Issue 4
>
> Hey Cory!
>
> I currently run a bicycle workshop out of a 30ft x 10ft container (3
> workstations), previously ran a pilot from a 20ft x 8ft6" container (2
> workstations, minimal storage)......answering your questions...
>
> I've been offered a shipping container in a BMX park to use for a
> fledgling co-op.
> /each shipping container has a unique ID - much like a car
> registration plate - use this to find the year and history - if the
> container is very old and/or damaged/too rusty, you may be better off
> with another./
> I want to hear from others who operate out of containers.? What has
> your experience been like? What challenges does operating out of a
> container present that a traditional retail/warehouse space does not??
> How do you address those challenges?
> /space is the main concern, then temperature, then functionality..../
> /8ft 6" is difficult - you can setup workstands here but with internal
> insulation and fitouts it will be a squeeze...unless...you have wall
> mounted stands and access one side only/
> /w.r.t temperature you have two options - totally sealed with spray
> insulation (about ?2500 for a small container in London UK, though
> highly toxic and bad for the environment) or glass-fibre insulation
> and allowing the unit to 'breathe' through vents - I chose the latter/
> /whatever you do, avoid cutting holes in the roof or walls - the
> strength of the container is due to the corrugation - also you'd avoid
> leaks and potential security weaknesses /
> /another thing?? NEVER place the container on soil where the bottom of
> the container touches the ground - containers can rust and rot
> easily.? Also, for this reason, I coated ours with 4 coats of
> Hammerite and the roof with an additional 2 coats of bitumen paint/
> My plan is to provide tools and two or three stands (spaced very
> generously apart) for DIY service as well as a small selection of new
> consumables (cables, housing, ferrules, etc) on a PWYC basis.
> /I built all the racking and timber fitout on both containers -
> advice....use std size containers and build the racking around this
> (or just buy custom heavy duty racking if you have budget).? If using
> a std 20ft x 8'6" container you can get 2 stands in, if a std 40ft, 4
> stands/
> /conventional container fitouts in the UK use 6mm ply and 44mm
> timber.? I used what I could access (18mm ply and 2" x 4" timber) and
> was so glad I had these!? the walls are strong enough (especially with
> battens) for hanging shelving and bikes etc...though the overall
> weight is high/
> Partially finance the above by selling refurbished donated bikes.
> /depends where you are but where I am this is not a money-earner -
> servicing is where the income is/
> Provide a small selection of used parts (taken from donated bikes that
> aren't safe/worth refurbishing) on a PWYC basis.
> /good idea - ensure everything is tested first where possible or offer
> on the basis of 'sold as seen'/
> All of this will be on a seasonal basis. May-Oct.? If it lasts longer
> than this season, I'll grow it as I'm able in the future.
> /the current container has walls and ceiling insulated with 50mm
> recycled glass-bottle fibre insulation behind 18mm ply.? (With a 2kw
> oil radiator, this is okay to work inside, down to around 0 degrees C) /
> Right now my primary goal is to take advantage of the surge of
> interest in cycling to get more people on bikes.
> /brilliant!!/
> I'm also interested in diverting as much waste from landfills as
> possible, and would love to hear any ideas about converting
> frames/parts to useable objects (repair stands, tables, clocks, whatever).
> /we're also moving to zero waste...some of the things we've created
> (and sold) have been..../
> /Coffee Table/
> /Light Stand/
> /Belts (most common)/
> /Bottle openers/
> /Clocks/
> /Keyrings/
> /we've also supplied 'waste streams' (such as old inner tubes) to
> local artists for upcycling/
> Let me know if I can be of more assistance Cory and all the best with
> this!
>
> In service,
>
> *Lawrence Mohammed*
> CEO and Founder
> Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
> *+44 (0)77 222 58587*
> *probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>*
>
> /::Olympic Park Site::
> Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
> Multi-Storey Car Park, Lesney Avenue
> Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park
> London E20 3BS
> *map location <https://what3words.com/upset.habit.funds>*/
> On 10/02/2021 21:04, thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org wrote:
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> Based Co-op? (BikeConcord)
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:57:45 +0100
From: "Cory W. W" <cory.ww@mail.com>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:55:42 +0000
From: Lawrence Mohammed <law@probikeservice.co.uk>
To: "Cory W. W" <cory.ww@mail.com>,
thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
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Container ID is marked on the outside of the container somewhere,
usually low down on the side
re: 'how to' videos for upcycling, haven't gotten around to that yet
(maybe info online?)... but can share basic principles?
belts - cut the sidewalls of road tyres (without puncture protection -
and definitely not MTB tread), cut a loop and sew, upcycling an old
buckle, rivet with shoemakers rivets
coffee table - cut worn 700C rims in half and use three for the
'uprights'.? drill and screw these into a small rim (Brompton) for the
base and a large rim for the top (that's not pringle shaped ;) .? Bind
the three uprights in the middle with bartape and secure, add an inner
tube and wide tyre to the top, inflate, add circular diameter glass on
top - the grip of the tyre prevents it moving ;)
candle holder - upcycle and old hub, use slightly larger diameter candle
and just ease in
bottle opener - cut a rim up, cut a large cassette sprocket in quarters
or fifths and cable tie on (brazing/soldering would be better if you
have this option and steel rims!)
I did try making jewellery with chains but when I costed the plating it
wasn't viable.? I cleaned, degreased and lacquered some chain parts but
it wasn't long before they started to rust
In service,
*Lawrence Mohammed*
CEO and Founder
Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
*+44 (0)77 222 58587*
*probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>*
/::Olympic Park Site::
Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
Multi-Storey Car Park, Lesney Avenue
Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park
London E20 3BS
*map location <https://what3words.com/upset.habit.funds>*
/
On 11/02/2021 14:57, Cory W. W wrote:
> /Using the container number, I got the history, found it was 30yrs old
> and the value (in the condition I started fitting it out) was ?50! I
> was also advised not to buy it as it wasn't likely to last much longer
> - learnt the hard way ;)/
> Ouch.? Well fortunately, I won't incur any cost for the container
> itself.? Guess I can just use it for now and figure something else out
> later.? Where do you find the container id?
> /We have a 'surplus paint' store nearby which takes excess commercial
> paint and strains/mixes it....this is about 1/10th the price of new
> paint and saves waste./
> That's a great idea, I'm certain there's a local one here.
> /re: inside layout - have a look at the videos here
> <https://vimeo.com/427446631> and here
> <https://vimeo.com/454736433>....if more info's useful, let me know
> what I can share/
> Wow, your operation has really high production values. I'm not nearly
> as handy, so mine will be considerably lower-tech.
> I also appreciate your thinking on capitalism and how it "otherizes"
> people.
> /re: economic model - we run on a gift economy (essentially 'pay what
> you can').? We're located next to some of the most expensive real
> estate in London yet in one of the four adjoining boroughs here
> there's the 2nd highest rate of homelessness in the UK./
> Similar to here.? Park is in an affluent part of the city, with lower
> income pockets nearby.
> I also meant to ask if you have any links to how-to videos handy for
> making stuff out of bike parts.
> Thanks again.
> *Sent:*?Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 5:43 AM
> *From:*?"Lawrence Mohammed" <law@probikeservice.co.uk>
> *To:*?"Cory W. W" <cory.ww@mail.com>,
> thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
> *Subject:*?Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 173, Issue 4
> Ah, if storage only, you'll have loads of room for that in a secure place!
>
> Re: container siting, I mention as the first (pilot) workshop I built
> by fitting out an empty container which was a little beaten up and
> rusty but otherwise looked okay, sited on gravel/soil.? It was part of
> another project which split and the project lead asked me to pay ?1000
> if I wanted the container I'd fitted out, which I thought was a little
> steep.? Using the container number, I got the history, found it was
> 30yrs old and the value (in the condition I started fitting it out)
> was ?50! I was also advised not to buy it as it wasn't likely to last
> much longer - learnt the hard way ;)
>
> re: litres/gallons of paint...I recall about ten 5l tins of paint
> being used and two 5l tins of bitumen paint. This is usually really
> expensive.? We have a 'surplus paint' store nearby which takes excess
> commercial paint and strains/mixes it....this is about 1/10th the
> price of new paint and saves waste.? Maybe something like that near
> you?? I generally over-engineer things - you can get probably away
> with a couple coats
>
> re: inside layout - have a look at the videos here
> <https://vimeo.com/427446631> and here
> <https://vimeo.com/454736433>....if more info's useful, let me know
> what I can share
>
> re: economic model - we run on a gift economy (essentially 'pay what
> you can').? We're located next to some of the most expensive real
> estate in London yet in one of the four adjoining boroughs here
> there's the 2nd highest rate of homelessness in the UK.? We also have
> the highest rate of bike theft in the UK in another adjoining
> borough...we're on the same page with the financial barrier to entry ;)
> In service,
>
> *Lawrence Mohammed*
> CEO and Founder
> Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
> *+44 (0)77 222 58587*
> *probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>*
>
> /::Olympic Park Site::
> Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
> Multi-Storey Car Park, Lesney Avenue
> Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park
> London E20 3BS
> *map location <https://what3words.com/upset.habit.funds>*/
> On 11/02/2021 00:29, Cory W. W wrote:
>
> Hey Lawrence,
> Thanks for the wealth of information you provided.
> /each shipping container has a unique ID - much like a car
> registration plate - use this to find the year and history - if
> the container is very old and/or damaged/too rusty, you may be
> better off with another./
> This is good to know.
> /space is the main concern, then temperature, then functionality..../
> /8ft 6" is difficult - you can setup workstands here but with
> internal insulation and fitouts it will be a
> squeeze...unless...you have wall mounted stands and access one
> side only/
> Stands will only be stored inside, they will be used outside.? At
> first, I will use the Feedback and Park Tool portable stands, down
> the road I have an idea for making repair stands out of old bikes
> which will be ratcheted to dollies so they can be easily moved in
> and out of the container.? Tool boards will likewise be portable.?
> This is to say that I won't be having clients working on their
> bikes inside the container, it's just there to store bikes, parts
> and tools.
> I think as long as I maintain a reasonable number of bikes and
> parts and make good use of the space, I should be OK for storage.?
> (I can donate excess to upcyclers, other co-ops, etc).
> /NEVER place the container on soil where the bottom of the
> container touches the ground - containers can rust and rot easily./
> Just asked my friends who offered the container... it is on soil
> unfortunately.? I'll have to assess the condition and see if
> anything can be done.
> /Also, for this reason, I coated ours with 4 coats of Hammerite
> and the roof with an additional 2 coats of bitumen paint/
> How many litres/gallons did you need?
> /I built all the racking and timber fitout on both containers -
> advice....use std size containers and build the racking around
> this (or just buy custom heavy duty racking if you have budget).?
> If using a std 20ft x 8'6" container you can get 2 stands in, if a
> std 40ft, 4 stands/
> /conventional container fitouts in the UK use 6mm ply and 44mm
> timber.? I used what I could access (18mm ply and 2" x 4" timber)
> and was so glad I had these!? the walls are strong enough
> (especially with battens) for hanging shelving and bikes
> etc...though the overall weight is high/
> I was thinking of building some simple racks for bike storage, or
> welding some hooks to the wall.? Do you have any pics of your setup?
> /depends where you are but where I am this is not a money-earner -
> servicing is where the income is/
> I'm concerned about making a service oriented model for a number
> of reasons.? The first and most important is I don't want money to
> be a barrier for people.? I mean, yes, I'll be financing this
> myself and it would be nice to break even, but also, I would
> expect that working in a BMX park, my client base will skew young
> and may not have a lot of disposeable income and I don't want to
> be the asshole that tells some poor kid they can't fix their bike
> because they don't have three dollars or whatever.
> I'd rather have a no pressure environment that fosters growth and
> empowerment.? I was leaning towards a sell refurbished bikes model
> because with the bike shortage and being in a large city (Toronto)
> I figured I could generate decent sales in the summer.? Although
> if you're right, I will have to figure something else out.
> /good idea - ensure everything is tested first where possible or
> offer on the basis of 'sold as seen'/
> Definitely.
> /the current container has walls and ceiling insulated with 50mm
> recycled glass-bottle fibre insulation behind 18mm ply.? (With a
> 2kw oil radiator, this is okay to work inside, down to around 0
> degrees C) /
> Good to know, but I'm keeping this a seasonal operation for the
> time being.? My city has an initiative called ActiveTO which
> closes of parts of high traffic roads during weekends for part of
> the year to encourage safe and healthy ways of getting around.
> It was a huge success and my original idea was to simply promote
> cycling by piggybacking on it with an outdoor DIY setup on one of
> those routes.? It was when I brought that up to friends that I was
> offered the container and am now looking at the logistics of that.
> But the point is I'm just looking to capitalize on the seasonal
> surge of cyclists to promote cycling.? I have other plans for winter.
> Thanks again for your help.
> *Sent:*?Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 5:04 PM
> *From:*?"Lawrence Mohammed" <law@probikeservice.co.uk>
> *To:* thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
> *Subject:*?Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 173, Issue 4
>
> Hey Cory!
>
> I currently run a bicycle workshop out of a 30ft x 10ft container
> (3 workstations), previously ran a pilot from a 20ft x 8ft6"
> container (2 workstations, minimal storage)......answering your
> questions...
>
> I've been offered a shipping container in a BMX park to use for a
> fledgling co-op.
> /each shipping container has a unique ID - much like a car
> registration plate - use this to find the year and history - if
> the container is very old and/or damaged/too rusty, you may be
> better off with another./
> I want to hear from others who operate out of containers.? What
> has your experience been like?? What challenges does operating out
> of a container present that a traditional retail/warehouse space
> does not?? How do you address those challenges?
> /space is the main concern, then temperature, then functionality..../
> /8ft 6" is difficult - you can setup workstands here but with
> internal insulation and fitouts it will be a
> squeeze...unless...you have wall mounted stands and access one
> side only/
> /w.r.t temperature you have two options - totally sealed with
> spray insulation (about ?2500 for a small container in London UK,
> though highly toxic and bad for the environment) or glass-fibre
> insulation and allowing the unit to 'breathe' through vents - I
> chose the latter/
> /whatever you do, avoid cutting holes in the roof or walls - the
> strength of the container is due to the corrugation - also you'd
> avoid leaks and potential security weaknesses /
> /another thing?? NEVER place the container on soil where the
> bottom of the container touches the ground - containers can rust
> and rot easily.? Also, for this reason, I coated ours with 4 coats
> of Hammerite and the roof with an additional 2 coats of bitumen paint/
> My plan is to provide tools and two or three stands (spaced very
> generously apart) for DIY service as well as a small selection of
> new consumables (cables, housing, ferrules, etc) on a PWYC basis.
> /I built all the racking and timber fitout on both containers -
> advice....use std size containers and build the racking around
> this (or just buy custom heavy duty racking if you have budget).?
> If using a std 20ft x 8'6" container you can get 2 stands in, if a
> std 40ft, 4 stands/
> /conventional container fitouts in the UK use 6mm ply and 44mm
> timber.? I used what I could access (18mm ply and 2" x 4" timber)
> and was so glad I had these!? the walls are strong enough
> (especially with battens) for hanging shelving and bikes
> etc...though the overall weight is high/
> Partially finance the above by selling refurbished donated bikes.
> /depends where you are but where I am this is not a money-earner -
> servicing is where the income is/
> Provide a small selection of used parts (taken from donated bikes
> that aren't safe/worth refurbishing) on a PWYC basis.
> /good idea - ensure everything is tested first where possible or
> offer on the basis of 'sold as seen'/
> All of this will be on a seasonal basis.? May-Oct.? If it lasts
> longer than this season, I'll grow it as I'm able in the future.
> /the current container has walls and ceiling insulated with 50mm
> recycled glass-bottle fibre insulation behind 18mm ply.? (With a
> 2kw oil radiator, this is okay to work inside, down to around 0
> degrees C) /
> Right now my primary goal is to take advantage of the surge of
> interest in cycling to get more people on bikes.
> /brilliant!!/
> I'm also interested in diverting as much waste from landfills as
> possible, and would love to hear any ideas about converting
> frames/parts to useable objects (repair stands, tables, clocks,
> whatever).
> /we're also moving to zero waste...some of the things we've
> created (and sold) have been..../
> /Coffee Table/
> /Light Stand/
> /Belts (most common)/
> /Bottle openers/
> /Clocks/
> /Keyrings/
> /we've also supplied 'waste streams' (such as old inner tubes) to
> local artists for upcycling/
> Let me know if I can be of more assistance Cory and all the best
> with this!
>
> In service,
>
> *Lawrence Mohammed*
> CEO and Founder
> Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
> *+44 (0)77 222 58587*
> *probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>*
>
> /::Olympic Park Site::
> Pro Bike Service C.I.C.
> Multi-Storey Car Park, Lesney Avenue
> Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park
> London E20 3BS
> *map location <https://what3words.com/upset.habit.funds>*/
> On 10/02/2021 21:04,
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