As a metal smith, ball-peen and claw hammers are used to work harden metal, Crush its crystal structure into a smaller area. It is much better to use a malleable metal hammer (lead, brass) or a rubber dead blow hammer to reduce damage when pounding on metal tools or bike related metal. Never pound on Carbon Fiber anything, or Aluminum, or Titanium. There are special presses and removal tools for those materials that remove the risk of breaking the part and killing the cyclist. 

Christopher Wallace
Bicycle Guild/ Holistic Cycles
773 490 0683
Oak Park, IL. 60304 (Chicago)


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Tool Board Fashion Show: Strut Your (Tool
Board's) Stuff!
From: cyclista@inventati.org
Date: Thu, January 18, 2018 6:06 pm
To: ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org, The Think Tank
<thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>
Cc: Jean-François_Caron <jfcaron3@gmail.com>

Are there claw hammer in the photos I attached? I looked and couldn't
find any :?

cyclista Nicholas


On 2018-01-17 22:43, Ron Kellis wrote:
> Uh, claw (carpenters) hammer's are not made for banging on metal,
> ball-peen
> (machinists) hammers are. I cringe when ever I see one in a shop. Can
> argue
> the metal properties all day, but it simply isn't good practice. Same
> argument as the that for the open end adjustable wrenches and vice-grip
> style pliers. I like to keep a couple of metal chisels hidden away with
> the
> files.
>
> Just my $.02
>
> Ron
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:17 PM, <cyclista@inventati.org> wrote:
>
>> At our shop we decided a couple of months back to keep the vise grips
>> off
>> the toolboards for these reasons, but we still keep the crescent
>> wrenches
>> around because they tend to be good for bending metal, something we do
>> on
>> the regular for various reasons. We still keep the vise grips around,
>> but
>> in a drawer of specialized tools that keeps them out of sight. Your
>> arguments above are actually pretty good for keeping the crescents off
>> the
>> toolboards as well. The idea isn't to forbid these tools or to lock
>> them
>> up, just to prevent them from being the first thing new participants
>> grab
>> when they start working on something.
>>
>> Here are some haphazard shots of our toolboards which the
>> organization/program has had for around twenty years. We probably
>> should
>> upgrade them but they work well enough. They're hinged and lock closed
>> because back in the day tools got stolen all the time. Theft happens a
>> lot
>> less now, but the ability to close them makes them useful for portable
>> application.
>>
>> Josh, I think we have a couple extra empty ones laying around from
>> years
>> ago when we had a lot more sets (we only have three now, we used to
>> have
>> six). If you happen through this part of the state I'd be happy to
>> pass one
>> or two over to you. But honestly they aren't hard to make. Ours do
>> have the
>> advantage of a long history though :)
>>
>> cyclista Nicholas
>>
>>
>> On 2018-01-16 14:25, Jean-François Caron wrote:
>>
>>> Smitty I tend to apply that logic to pliers & vice-grips too.
>>> Bicycle
>>> fasteners are usually standardized well-enough that adjustable
>>> wrenches (other than the huge ones for headset locknuts maybe?),
>>> pliers, and vice-grips are almost always a crutch for not knowing the
>>> correct tool to use. A lot of DIY-types get into the habit of using
>>> pliers for any type of fastener.
>>>
>>> That said, they should be available for weird cases, but guarded by a
>>> mechanic.
>>>
>>> Jean-François
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 07:12 , Smitty <smitty@bikeconcord.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I notice everyone has an adjustable wrench on their boards. When I
>>>> apprenticed in another trade I was taught not to use a crescent
>>>> wrench.
>>>> When I build the board for our shop, I plan to leave the crescent
>>>> wrench
>>>> off of the board. Force the students to use the proper wrench.
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Josh Capps
>>>> <thegoodtimesarekillingme@gmai
>>>> l.com <mailto:thegoodtimesarekillingme@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure this qualifies but a few years back I made a rolling
>>>>> tool
>>>>> board <https://simplicityvintagecycles.com/2012/07/26/a-little-hou
>>>>> sekeeping-storing-bike-tools-effectively/>. It may be useful for
>>>>> more
>>>>> dynamic or in transition shops.
>>>>> I did end up making something more permanent eventually but this
>>>>> setup <
>>>>> https://simplicityvintagecycles.com/2016/08/07/the-home-
>>>>> bicycle-workshop/> is a bit much for a student situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Capps
>>>>> Portland, OR
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Sam Haraldson <
>>>>> sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org <mailto:sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey! We're going to redesign our tool boards soon, and want to
>>>>>> look at
>>>>>> yours for inspiration. Show 'em off! The winner of the most fly
>>>>>> tool board
>>>>>> gets a group serenade at B!B!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <P1030604.jpg>
>>>>> ​Bozeman Bike Kitchen - Bozeman, MT
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a half dozen or so of these tables, each with
>>>>> color-coordinated
>>>>> tools, stand, pump, garbage/recycling, et al which makes it easy to
>>>>> see
>>>>> when something's missing or when someone doesn't know where
>>>>> something
>>>>> goes. We copied the idea nearly verbatim from the good people down
>>>>> at the
>>>>> SLC Bike Collective.
>>>>>
>>>>> <4535740394_3cbdee19dc_b.jpg>
>>>>> ​SLC Bicycle Collective - Salt Lake City, UT
>>>>>
>>>>> - Sam
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://bozemanbikekitchen.org <http://bozemanbikekitchen.org/>
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