Bike City wrote:
Ho hum, I see, you're aware. I'm a nagging, ignorant, uppity bitch.
I'm so hysterical (OMG REVERSE SEXISM!) that you will just dismiss and
ignore me.
Don't worry, almost all dudes get defensive in exactly the same way
when their privilege is challenged. But the best part is you can
better yourself if you try!
http://www.uh.edu/~cnathen/feminist.jpg
Andrea
On 12/28/09, Mark Rehder <mark@drumbent.com> wrote:
Yeah, I'm aware, believe me. You know nothing about me so stop
insisting on my ignorance. You've got enough irrational hate going
on (just as bad as what I hear some men say about women) that I can't
take you seriously.
My apologies to the list - this is my last post on this subject.
Mark
On 28-Dec-09, at 1:55 AM, Bike City wrote:
Understanding Patriarchy by bell hooks
http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/20613.php
On 12/28/09, Mark Rehder <mark@re-cycles.ca> wrote:
Great, another broad-brush piece. If you are going to continue to
insist that we're all beasts then I'm afraid there's not much chance
of dialogue. Your energy could perhaps be better spent trying to get
the good guys to help in dealing with the bad ones, but I doubt
you're interested in the concept of men having positive things to
offer.
Mark
On 27-Dec-09, at 5:58 PM, Bike City wrote:
Activist Scenes are No Safe Space for Women: On Abuse of Activist
Women by Activist Men
http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/feminist/activist_abuse.html
On 12/27/09, Mark Rehder <mark@re-cycles.ca> wrote:
On 27-Dec-09, at 5:38 AM, Bike City wrote:
(snip)
More generally, white dudes got us in this mess we're in.
Oppression
is completely unsustainable. Now their colonizing, industrializing
asses want to be in charge of the clean up crew? They have a
thoroughly dastardly track record, so if they're not going to let
anyone else have a turn, we'd better at least keep an eye on 'em.
You are guilty of the same attitude if you are going to use this
broad a brush.
With each community bike collective someone saw a need and got one
going. The bike biz has been mainly male-oriented, so mainly guys
have started these shops. But it does not have to stay that
way, and
at least these shops get started, and are presumably / hopefully
being inclusive. And this model is ideally a step forward compared
to a typical for-profit consume-all sports store.
Please let us know of any examples where women were told "no, you
cannot start a community bike shop, only men can do that". Yes,
the
bike industry in general can be fairly "macho", which is why I
would
much rather be with our community bike shop than a typical for-
profit
one. We've created it, and we can set its tone. Maybe our type of
shop will be the way of the future, pushing out the old macho for-
profit consume-all crap?
Your anger may prevent you from believing that there actually
are men
who have been aware of the oppression and sexism from early in
their
lives, and have been trying to do something about it (just as there
were white people who helped put an end to slavery). A guy can
often
make himself very unpopular with other men when he calls them on
their behaviour (sexist, racist, whatever). But it needs to be
done,
for everyone's sake. And sure, feel free to "keep an eye on us" as
we try to fight the crap...
Mark
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