I just wanna put this out, but what where all ta;ling about, besides Wallmart, gods blood and or flying suits...will be talked in depth at teh Canadian Bike bike, no other issue will take more potency in Toronto that the issue of women in the community. Email threads tend to lose tehri threads and get tangled and thus If we can state points of hyper tension that would help all of us discuses these issues in person next year?  

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bike City <bikecityrecyclery@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe we were discussing sexism. You seem to be discussing what a
good mechanic is. If you feel so passionately, why didn't you start a
new thread? You are either A) off-topic or B) sexist.

Okay, you have "27 year experience." What makes you assume that you're
talking to a bunch of little girls? How old am I? It's obvious that a
good mechanic is thorough, fast, and organized. Everyone here
theoretically loves bicycles and strives daily for these ideals. Why do
you think these little girls need you to tell them what a good mechanic
is? I know I pranced into the industry on my dainty high heels and had
everything handed to me on a pink platter, but still. I thought a good
mechanic was one that didn't muss her makeup! You mean I have to work as
hard as a man?! I'm outta here!

What organization are you involved in?

And please keep your discussion on this list. If you send any more
emails to my personal address I will post them here for you.


andrea




On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 21:09 -0400, bovineoaks@aol.com wrote:
> Why did you put the word "Female Mechanic" in the middle of my words.
> I meant all mechanics, not just xx are less organized, which makes
> them slower and less thorough. You are correct the is I am not
> automatically a better mechanic than women and men. I have 27 year
> experience that is what makes me more organized, efficient,
> faster, than most mechanics. I have taught classes for year and played
> mechanic speed games for many years too. The Games make you faster,
> putting your tools away every time you touch one makes you faster, As
> long as you wish to jump to conclusions that my word are against women
> only, you are showing that you are the sexist bastard you accuse
> others of being. I have worked hard for my skills and I in courage you
> to work just as hard to challenge your own skill to become better and
> better throughout your career.
>
> Christopher,
>
> Why are you assuming that you are more "efficient, thorough, and Fast"
> than a female mechanic? You are NOT automatically a better mechanic
> than
> a woman. My shop does not do drop-off repairs for customers, and I
> believe the situation in question involves trying to teach males.
>
> On the flip side, the bikes I build or restore are far more thorough
> than your own work that you are describing. I have had men tell me
> that
> this is because "I'm just better at cleaning and polishing". If I
> wield
> metal polish, wax, and the whole nine yards, it's a feminine virtue --
> if a male does the same, it's simply good work.
>
> This is the essence of your male privilege -- believing that where
> you've gotten in life and everything you do is unaffected by any
> privilege.
>
> andrea
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:34 -0400, bovineoaks@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >         A man needs his bike fixed. He will not say what's wrong
> with it, nor
> what he's
> >         hearing or feeling. Only that it's broken. Fix it. He's
> doing this to
> challenge
> >         me. No matter what I find, it's not the "broken" he's
> thinking of. No
> matter
> >         what I fix, it isn't good enough. In an extreme case, he may
> lead me
> down the
> >         wrong path (ie I find that his brakes are sub-par and fix
> those. Maybe
> he'll
> >         even tell me that they're the only problem. But what
> originally caused
> him to
> >         come in is a loose headset). If I miss something that breaks
> further,
> he will
> >         blame not only me doing my job, but my gender. This
> reinforces his
> negative
> >         stereotype of women in non-traditional roles. But is it my
> fault? No.
> He set me
> >         up to fail by not telling me the problem. And he would do it
> to any
> woman
> >         sharing my occupation. Again, an ideologue and the problem
> is neither
> me nor my
> >         chest. It's him setting me up to be the problem. But word
> will get out
> that xx
> >         shop has a bad mechanic just the same.
> >
> > If you Have an REI near by ask for all of  the check off list they
> > have for Basic tunes, to Overhauls. I have found when I work from a
> > list and add to the list that I do not miss little details of a
> > repair. If every guy did this to you I would call it sexism. Sadly
> as
> > a guy in a bike shop I meet men like this all the time, We do not
> call
> > them sexist bastards, we just call them Dicks. Step back and look at
> > the issue, Was your work at fault, if so upgrade your technique.
> ( all
> > of us can learn more) Is the customer way too picky. Then he is a
> > dick, if he says that the work is bad because you are female then he
> > is a dick and a sexist bastard. Refer him to a really crapy
> mechanic.
> > I meet anal picky customers all the time. I am older, I do not take
> > guff form them. I tell them what they asked for, and what I gave
> them.
> > I always give more than they ask for.
> >
> > Example of what I do on a brake job:
> >
> > I clean every bike from head to tail, I clean each rim in the sink
> > with Dawn and a Scotch bright green sponge to remove metal oxide and
> > oil , I sand each brake pad to remove the metal oxide. I round,
> > dish, tension, and true the wheels. This is all the extra set up I
> do
> > to prepare brakes.  Then I do all the normal brake pad alignment,
> and
> > toe. Check cables/ housing, caliper / lever mount bolts. Customers
> > never come back to me with squeeky brakes when I am done. Thus lots
> of
> > bad feelings are avoided and lots of rework is avoided. Sadly I
> never
> > hear any good coments from customers, But I do not hear negitive
> ones
> > either.
> >
> > I can do all this because I practice being efficent, thorough, and
> > Fast. As you become more experienced challenge yourself to do things
> > better with more detail and faster. Never compromise safety. The
> > safety of your hands or your customers life.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
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