Re: [TheThinkTank] women/women identified/trans open shop night

Interesting bike writing about making [female] bike partners in... Have to look it up, a classic. Want to say foreman, but not likely... Effective Cycling John Forrester MIT Press pp. 285-295 Chapter 41 Cycling with Love ( continues to cycling w children, a corollary imho)

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Lied to re: Del msgs.  MailHoardersAnon*
On Oct 18, 2014 2:44 PM, <christopher@holisticcycles.com> wrote:

> This is a life time of trouble or of commitment. If you are a guy and you
> wish a woman would ride with you but you make excuses as to why not ride
> her speed, then you have a lifetime problem that only you can address. I am
> a recumbent rider, I can average 33 mph solo, I can also ride 4 to 6 mph
> shoulder to shoulder, with my gal. It took her a couple of year to get up
> to 12 to 14 mph average. She is still no where near 33 mph. SO WHAT! I want
> to ride with her, I want to Wrench with her, I want to play with her. So I
> work hard to work with her and not for her, I ride with her, not asking for
> her to catch up. I love her and do all I can to teach her with kindness,
> show her how to, then disassemble it and let her try. I never take over and
> do it for her unless she asks for my help.
> I have a commitment to support her and be with her every day. Bicycling is
> not a trouble between us, it is a sign of our commitment to eachother.
>
> I also ride alone for fun at full speed, or when I am coming home at full
> blast to be with her.
>
> Boys, are you committed or  full of mechanic and bicycle trouble?
>
> Christopher Wallace
> Holistic Cycles
> 140 Harrison St
> Oak Park, IL. 60304
>
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] women/women identified/trans open shop night
> From: DancesWithCars <danceswithcars@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, October 17, 2014 7:02 pm
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>
>
> Three of the four Washington, dc coops/youth programs have , or had
> wimmin's nights, last I knew.
>  I advocated for one, and threatened to dress up as a woman to get in (
> only done it half arsed once while clowning in WV ), and see how it was
> going/ get attention.
> Not sure about separate trans/ queerfolk night, would have to have enough
> of those types/ self identify to make it work.
> Agreed, testosterone kills community, and a lot of other things,
> especially with tools in hand, but estrogen poisoning is a little over the
> top too.  How many, oh, how many rabbits must die, before we figure this
> out?  /bad joke
> Being not part of either ( O+/ tq) , I can't speak much to it ( doesn't
> seem to stop me from trying, though ).  Separatist organizations/ cliques
> and subgrouping is always a little tricky if trying to build community, as
> a whole, imnsho.
> That said, disabled night, I haven't seen, nor tried...
>  Bike Hospital, as how for younger kids has been done, informally, iirc.
> Currently, Spanish is running separate from English some other types of
> places I sometimes go...
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
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> BackusNaurForm forgotten.
> Lied to re: Del msgs.  MailHoardersAnon*
> On Oct 17, 2014 5:35 PM, "Christopher Chan" <chris.chan@edmontonbikes.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> You're welcome to use text from our page:
>> http://edmontonbikes.ca/women
>> We are updating the name (women & trans) to include femme for ours, and
>> we will likely also introduce a separate queer time as well.
>>
>> Christopher Chan
>> Executive Director
>> Edmonton Bicycle Commuters Society
>> edmontonbikes.ca
>> BikeWorks North • 9305 111 Ave • T5G 0A2 • 780-757-9100
>> BikeWorks South • 8001 102 St • T6E 4A2 • 780-433-2453
>> Cell • 780-756-7560
>> On 17 Oct 2014 11:43, "Leslie Peteya" <lesliepeteya@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have both a women's night and a trans/queer night. Mainly, because we
>>> can serve the 2 different populations better.
>>>
>>> Our collective has had several intense discussions around why we need
>>> such nights. I explain the bro-chisimo environment of
>>> fixing bikes, the masculine energy, some men's tendency to jump and
>>> offer to 'help', discomfort felt by queer/trans populations in
>>> interacting with homophobic patrons, women's historic acculturation to
>>> be accommodating and not speak up, as and maybe I just want to hang out
>>> with my fellow women and share cupcakes, as all reasons for having these
>>> nights.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Leslie
>>> Durham Bike Co-op
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Judith Feist <judith.feist@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good Afternoon all,
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering what shops out there have specific shop nights
>>>> dedicated to a specific group of individuals...Do you have literature you
>>>> hand out to folks who ask questions about this specific shop night? How do
>>>> you run it? I would like to host an evening where folks who identify as
>>>> women/trans are able to come work on/learn about bike maintenance/safety in
>>>> a welcoming environment...
>>>>
>>>> Any info is helpful. Especially concerning how you respond to negative
>>>> comments pertaining to such evenings...
>>>>
>>>> I hope everyone is well and thank you, in advance, for any information.
>>>> It's greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> judith caroline feist
>>>>
>>>> "i don' think my art is political. i think it's about the stuff that
>>>> doesn't let me sleep at night." -felix gonzalez-torres
>>>>
>>>> I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything
>>>> else in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and
>>>> self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony
>>>>
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