I would actually place a vote on Victor being an idiot, or at least a
bit disingenous. His intial post was about "the commodification of
bike culture" and capitalism. Nothing about safety and risk issues
with flip-flop hubs. However, when called out on his elitist statement
he tried to say his problem was with "popularizing flip-flop hubs
without conscientious effort to explain the inherent risk in operation
in the interest of (huge)profit." There of course was nothing in his
intial post about this. Moreover, in his intial post he said he did
not "know why" but that it "just made [him] puke a little." Either he
is an idiot or he is being dishonest. Of course, I could be wrong
about that and it his statement may have been misread, but one cannot
blame Jonathan for reading a bit of elitism into the post. I do not
see how Jonathan was making a generalization at all there, either.
Victor, how do you know that UrbanOutfitters is "popularizing
flip-flop hubs without conscientious effort to explain the inherent
risk in operation in the interest of (huge)profit"? Is it just because
they are a large corporation? I hate UrbanOutfitters as much as the
next guy, but I would assume, as Jonathan pointed out, that they would
make every effort to warn the consumer of any potential danger from
the products they sell, even if only to protect them from liability.
Yes, their main interest is in making a huge profit, and taking
precautions from being sued is a part of making huge profits (or at
least keeping more of the profits).

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:59 AM, joshua muir <muirjoshua@gmail.com> wrote:
> hey- calling names is super uncool and Victor is no idiot.
>
> cool it
>
> josh
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:18 PM, reno bikes <renobikeproject@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Victor,
>>
>> you are an idiot.
>>
>> "getting people on bikes"
>>
>> what else do you want?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Fhar Miess <fhartha@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also note this article from yesterday's NY Times:
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/fashion/10bikes.html?_r=3&ref=style
>>>
>>> Fhar
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:04 PM, N.O.Bike Project wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey y'all,
>>>>
>>>> This isn't vital or on topic, unless you dig deep and start thinking
>>>> about the commodification of bike culture, and the way that capitalism
>>>> always seems to persevere. Just thought y'all would like to see what's cool
>>>> these days.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why, but this just made me puke a little.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy.
>>>>
>>>> http://bikes.urbanoutfitters.com/
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>> Plan B
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