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1. bike bike (tom emm)
2. Re: bike bike (veganboyjosh@gmail.com)
3. Re: bike bike - Advocacy (Rich Points)
4. Re: meeting protocal and questions about programming
(Macho Philipovich)
5. Re: bike bike (Forrest Cutrer)
6. Re: bike bike (Bruce Lien)
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:30:41 -0400
From: "tom emm" <tom48236@gmail.com>
Subject: [TheThinkTank] bike bike
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Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco.
Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of
pizza in the city by the bay?
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:36:55 -0600
From: veganboyjosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike
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i dunno about the rest of you, but i'm still waiting for my voice to get
back from san francisco...
in the best way possible, of course.
josh.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM, tom emm <tom48236@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco.
> Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of
> pizza in the city by the bay?
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:09:38 -0600
From: Rich Points <rich@richpoints.com>
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike - Advocacy
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Bike Bike was awesome! I can't think of a better way to spend a weekend
than with a bunch of freaks who're working towards getting people on bikes.
It's hard to summarize as we all had different experiences at various
workshops, conversations and rides.
Here in Boulder we've had a hard time involving the elite cyclists and
mountain bikers in our coop. One of the big points I took away from the
weekend came from the advocacy workshop. When organizing an event try
to set up as an umbrella so other cycling groups can add their events
under it. I think it was Free Ride that organized Bike Fest which was a
one or two month long thing. They reached out to other groups like Bike
Pittsburgh whose membership nearly doubled because of their
participation in the event.
I probably have the details of this wrong but the concepts are correct.
The more we can incorporate our events with other cycling groups the
more we can work together in building bicycle culture.
We'll definitely keep this in mind when organizing future events.
Peace
Rich
Community Cycles
Boulder
veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
> i dunno about the rest of you, but i'm still waiting for my voice to
> get back from san francisco...
>
> in the best way possible, of course.
>
> josh.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM, tom emm <tom48236@gmail.com
> <mailto:tom48236@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco.
> Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of
> pizza in the city by the bay?
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:24:37 -0500
From: Macho Philipovich <macho@resist.ca>
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] meeting protocal and questions about
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These are good points, but I just want to also mention that it's
impossible to make yourself completely accessible to the entire
community. Some decisions about bike shops that will make many women
more comfortable in the space, for example, will make some dudely dudes
less comfortable. Some decisions that will make middle class people
feel more comfortable, will alienate working class people. And there
are a hundred more ways this can be broken down...
I'm not trying to detract from what Sam is saying at all, I think people
need to be thinking about whether their bike project appeals only to an
in-crowd, and whether that's what they really want. There are also, of
course, a lot of win-win choices bike projects can make in appealing to
different groups of people, and we need to be wracking our brains to
come up with more of these, but sometimes, peoples' interests are to
some degree irreconcilable, and though we need to be aware, as socially
conscious people, of who we might be alienating through some of our
actions, it's not always the worst thing to be doing so.
macho
Sam Santos wrote:
> You can't expect new members to be OK with illegal substances. What
> if a potential new member is a bike riding police officer? What if
> potential new members want to bring their whole family (A family that
> smokes together, rides together?). ;-)
>
> While you, yourself, don't have any issues with it, you have to ask
> yourself if this potentially off-putting behavior will affect the
> chances of success for your collective. If you want your entire
> community (not just the counterculture) to embrace your efforts it
> might be wise to rethink open drinking/smoking at meetings.
>
> After all, there is plenty of time for engaging in those activities
> outside of the collective. If you know what I mean... and I think you do.
>
> --sam
> Volunteer, The Bike Project
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:51 AM, maintenence collective
> <bikefarm@gmail.com <mailto:bikefarm@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Hey from Bike Farm in PDX,
> We recently had our first meeting back from Bike!bike! and it was
> incredibly successful. At meetings we usually allow beer-drinking,
> and its not a huge deal, though has been in the past. This last
> meeting I noticed someone passing around a pipe. Though that
> doesn't bother me as an individual, it was slightly distracting
> and could be a little off-putting to new volunteers (we had 4
> newbies at the meeting).
>
> What do other shops have as policies surrounding illegal
> substances..... what about legal substances?
>
> Also, we're doing some winter programming and came up with a
> "winter weatherization class". Does anyone have a ciriculum for
> this sort of thing.. (ie. best types of tires in the rain,
> fenders, lights, how to be safe in crappy weather etc).
>
> Any other one-to two day classes would be helpful.... and does
> anyone know of a particular company who might donate, like 30
> fenders to us?
>
> thanks for all your help!,
> RaRa
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:35:46 +0100
From: Forrest Cutrer <fbcuter@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike
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Your voice started to crack around the first day of BikeBike. You must have been yelling quite a bit.
But yes. Most beautiful experience of my recent life. It was fascinating experiencing such a convention, especially one in which scores of like-minded individuals wishing to make this world a better place simply met up and taught each other various things pertaining to our respective goals in life. Such a concept really boggles the heck out of my brain. I can't wait to implement the stuff I learned in my activities here at home, and I am peeing my pants in anticipation of next year's.
I mostly enjoyed the discussions about gender-based issues in the shops and tried to apply them to areas in the rest of my life. It was really interesting focusing on that for the weekend and then returning to my Women's Studies 100 class on Monday. Such a juxtaposition. I almost wanted to yell "oh, please, we've already been over that, let's move on to something more pressing than G.I. Joes and Barbies."
Also, forming connections that are vital to traveling around this continent was a great plus.
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:36:55 -0600
From: veganboyjosh@gmail.com
To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike
i dunno about the rest of you, but i'm still waiting for my voice to get back from san francisco...
in the best way possible, of course.
josh.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM, tom emm <tom48236@gmail.com> wrote:
Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco.
Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of
pizza in the city by the bay?
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:49:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Lien <bikedadlien@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike
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So, as the old Tony Bennett song goes, "I left me voice in San Francisco."
--- On Thu, 10/2/08, veganboyjosh@gmail.com <veganboyjosh@gmail.com> wrote:
From: veganboyjosh@gmail.com <veganboyjosh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike
To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank@bikecollectives.org>
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 2:36 PM
i dunno about the rest of you, but i'm still waiting for my voice to get back from san francisco...
in the best way possible, of course.
josh.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM, tom emm <tom48236@gmail.com> wrote:
Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco.
Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of
pizza in the city by the bay?
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