Please, in all seriousness, do not throw the word "retard" around like its nothing. YOU do not get to decide whether its offensive or not. As the father of a child with autism (yes I have seen Rainman, thanks) I can say that it is a stigmatizing word. Sorry to go back on my promise never to post again, but I had not unsubscribed yet and now wish I had. But yes, please be careful with your choice of words, if for no other reason than the possibility it could save your nose from being flattened by some one who is at the end of their patience. And yes I remember fun, but its been a while mr. john rotten. Art
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:18:20 -0400
From: davidhazardous@gmail.com
To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org.
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] sexist bs [WAS: RE: Surveys for volunteer retention]
#1 nobody was being sexist. reading all the thinktank posts tells us that the one who doesn't shave enough is in fact a man, and as a man, i also do not shave enough. i've considered waxing my face. thus, the response to shaving being the suggestion to waxing is just a thoughtful timesaving maneuver.
#2 before bikes were used to spread the gospel of a political system that doesn't work except for idealist college kids, they were the toys of rich people. as in, the common man (proletariat, bolshevik, etc) couldn't have one! who knew?
#3 before cars were stigmatized, bikes were. bikers were "hotdoggers" terrorizing horses and pedestrians.
#4 ever hear of bikes? responsible for paved roads.
#5 guess what? people drive more than ride. but more jackasses ride than drive. i just don't happen to be a hippie or vegan. but i suffer just as much for their political views.
#6 this is hella fun for me, and i'm a good person to boot
#7 looks like you contributed to this jackass thread.
#8 undercovercop, hells yes to drinking whiskey but don't you think that "retarded bike games" is offensive to retards? (that's a joke, like the original "offensive" comment)
<3 dhx
i am offically gone from thinktank as fast as i came
...unless...people act like stupids again.
p.s. have fun being white and having dreadlocks. maybe we can all drink some yerba mate at the sierra club meeting. oops, too conservative. monkeywrench gang reprazent!
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Geoffrey B <
vous.je@gmail.com> wrote:
What a jack ass. Threads like these make me not want to contribute.
Thinking that the bike is not a political tool for change is deluding, selling your self short. British 19 century commies used the bike to get out to factors where the roads have not linked to spread the word of labour rights a liberties.
Cars have been extremely stigmatized. They are a political force, they are killing everything. Dont kid your self about that. Ever heard of the AAA. Responsible for most of the expressways in America.
Dont freak out over being called a hippe vegan. Guess what, vegans and hippies drive more then bike. Its not about sexist comments, its keeping a positive outlook on cycling. Dont degrade your fellow cyclists, use your energy to portray a respectful attitude that motorists lack.
Its not political , its called being a good person. I have fun being a good person, dont you. Being a sexist tyrant creates fun on another's expense.
Canada,
Geoff
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:28 PM, David Hazardous <
davidhazardous@gmail.com> wrote:
hey jackasses...
it's threads like these that make the public not take cycling seriously. bikes are not a bandwagon for political agendas. bikes are a mode of transportation. they help people get to work, the store, and yes, the bar. and people eat meat and make sexist remarks just as much on a bike. i am so sick of being labeled "vegan" or "hippie" or "liberal" because i ride a bike and don't own a car. hey fringe culture: stop co-opting a yet-unstigmatized vehicle to turn it into a political soapbox. NOT ALL BIKERS ARE IDEALIST TEETOTALERS. bikes aren't going to save the world, they're just going to give a few people reliable transportation. and fun. remember that? fun?
flame me all you want,
dhxOn Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 7:11 PM, <
undercovercop@riseup.net> wrote:
wow, michael, i'm sure you meant this in jest, but making cracks about a
woman having to wax to impress is pretty horribly sexist and leaves a
real bad taste in my mouth.
and perhaps you have an understanding with anibal that this kind of
joking around is okay. i have lots of friends i know i can safely tease
in all sorts of offensive ways. however, this is a public list with
lots of folks who don't know one another. especially since you say you
don't know annibal, it's really tempting to read your joke as
straight-up sexist bullshit.
given how much really good thought and discussion i've seen this
community put into identifying and rooting out sexist bullshit, i gotta
say i think you're out of line.
hope you don't take offense,
benB
chicago community bike project
--
'every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist
the black flag, and begin slitting throats.'
-h.l. mencken
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