I just called Orontas and they'll be distributing their bicycle lubes, greases & degreasers through babac cyles distributors(Montreal) in the very near future. They just sent babac their first batch for distro 2 weeks ago so it should appear in the new babac catalogue & online very soon. It will be available in 20 L (5 gal) format so no need to bother with them pesky eco-aerosol cans and I reckon it'll be hella cheaper in bulk. I'd assume that they are available through other distributors as well, I just happen to use babac so that's all I asked about. Reviews to come, Geoff
The Wrench, The Bike Dump Winnipeg, Manitoba
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:28:13 +0000 From: The Bicycle Tree info@thebicycletree.org To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube Message-ID: BLU139-W9768A8639FB78DC790201B3810@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
We've been using Pedro's ChainJ biodegradable lube and their Bio Grease as well. I can't say I've done scientific tests on either so I can't precisely describe their merits. The chain lube is somewhat oily, doesn't wash away easily. The grease does experience some separation; I'm not sure what liquid is separating. This may be a drawback in action.
Theres a review of the grease here: http://road.cc/content/review/17600-pedros-bio-grease plus a negative experience for a skateboarder here: http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-Bio-Grease/dp/B003UWLWPW
ChainJ reviews here: http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-CHAINj-Bike-Chain-120ml/product-reviews/B000N22...
I hadn't heard about this one until doing a little perusing right now: Dumonde Tech Bio Green http://www.rei.com/webservices/rei/DisplayStyle/778317?source=gpla&cm_mm...
I usually use the excellent ProGold ProLink which is biodegradable and calls itself "environmentally friendly" though I'm not sure of its toxicity or ingredients. http://www.mtbr.com/cat/accessories/lube/progold/prolink-chain-lube/PRD_3523...
-Paul
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
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To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org From: bovineoaks@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:07:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
In the 1980's a hippy friend of mine used Olive Oil on his drive chain. He came to me after using it for a year because his derailleurs would not work. The Olive Oil had turned into a shellack that I could not get off with the most aggressive solvents. It stuck together the moving arms of the derailleurs so firmly we had to throw them away. The chain was a mess. incredible wear on the pins and thick goop everywhere.
Try paraffin. at least you can light the chain on fire to have a mini bon fire
Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i will try olive oil on my chain and report back later.
jim
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca
To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?
Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as advertised.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator
re-Cycles Community Bike Shop
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a
covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison <
jonathan@slcbikecollective.org> wrote:
Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line?
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.com
wrote:
Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique
recommendation of using olive oil.
On
4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We
do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and
simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts
cleaning
station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is
harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask
people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache
but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the
full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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