Re: Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?!
*** inglés abajo *** *** english below ***
A lxs participantes de Bici Bici 2019 Tijuana
Escribimos para informarlxs que a una persona que estaba asistiendo al evento se le ha pedido irse, y le hemos excluido del espacio/festival.
Nos hemos enterado que Eric, que es voluntarix con Working Bikes Chicago, tiene una historia de trabajar con las fuerzas armadas y en el servicio secreto/servicios de inteligencia de Estados Unidos. Ellx actualmente trabaja en la compra y venta de oro, petróleo, gas, plata, y otros “recursos” naturales, y ha dicho que no tiene problemas ni morales ni éticos en hacer este trabajo.
Enclave Caracol tiene una política estricta de “no policías” que existe para la seguridad de las personas que usan el edificio. Estamos activamente participando no solamente en la resistencia contra el sistema existente, sino también en construir alternativas para el futuro -- ambas cosas que nos ponen en conflicto frecuente con autoridades y corporaciones estatales. Además, Enclave es un espacio feminista, anti capitalista y anti autoritario. Debido a la proximidad de esta persona a las autoridades violentas estatales y la destrucción de tierras, comunidades, culturas y modos de sustento a través de la extracción de recursos, a ellx se le ha excluido. Esto no sólo se trata de las personas que asisten a Bike Bike 2019, sino también es un acto de solidaridad con las personas que resisten la destrucción ambiental, la colonización y la desposesión en todas partes del mundo.
La decisión de excluir a esta persona del evento no se hizo mediante un proceso de consenso absoluto. Esto quiere decir que algunas personas dentro de las colectividades no están de acuerdo con la decisión, o no estuvieron presentes cuando se tomó la decisión por cuestiones dentro de la dinámica del evento. Sin embargo, apoyaron la decisión. Estamos conscientes de que la decisión no es fácil, que no vamos a satisfacer a todas las personas, pero estamos abiertxs al diálogo y al constante aprendizaje.
Con amor y solidaridad,
Miembrxs de
Bicis Disidentes y Enclave Caracol
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To the participants of Bike Bike 2019 Tijuana,
We write to inform you all that a person attending the event has been asked to leave and excluded from the space/festival.
It has come to our attention that Eric, who is a volunteer with Working Bikes Chicago, has a history of working in the military and in intelligence/secret services of the United States. He/they currently work buying and selling gold, petroleum, gas, silver and other natural ´resources,’ and have said that they have no moral or ethical problem in this line of work.
Enclave Caracol has a strict ¨no police¨ policy which exists for the safety of people who use the building. We are actively involved in not only resisting the existing system, but in building alternatives for the future – both of which are things that bring us into regular conflict with state authorities and corporations. Furthermore, Enclave is a feminist, anti’capitalist and anti’authoritarian space. Due to this person’s proximity to violent state authority and the destruction of land, communities, cultures and livelihoods via resource extraction, they have been excluded. This is not only about the people attending Bike Bike 2019, but is also an act of solidarity with people resisting environmental destruction, colonization and dispossession all over the world.
The decision to exclude this person from the event was not made via consensus, meaning some people within the collectives do not agree with the decision, or were not present when the decision was being made. However they support the decision. We are aware that the decision is not easy, that we are not going to satisfy everyone, but we are open to dialogue and constantly learning.
With love and solidarity,
Members of
Bicis Disidentes and Enclave Caracol
El mié., 6 de nov. de 2019 a la(s) 13:12, < thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org> escribió:
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dennis Wollersheim dewoller@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Scott Long scott.m.long@gmail.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:26:11 +1100 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Wiki broken? It looks like if you access the pages using:
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it works. If you access them using
http://w.bikecollectives.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
The internal links are broken. There is something misconfigured in the wiki, but the moral of the story is, use #1, not #2!
Cheers
Dennis
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:47 AM Jonathan Rosenbaum gnuser@gmail.com wrote:
It is working at https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_Organ... .
Were you logged into the wiki when this happened?
-Jonathan
On 2019-11-04 14:32, Scott Long wrote:
I tried to access the list of community bike shops in the wiki and all the links appear broken.
http://w.bikecollectives.org/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_Organizations
Any ideas?
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El mié., 6 de nov. de 2019 a la(s) 18:09, Bicis Disidentes ( bicisdisidentestj@gmail.com) escribió:
Re: Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?!
*** inglés abajo *** *** english below ***
A lxs participantes de Bici Bici 2019 Tijuana
Escribimos para informarlxs que a una persona que estaba asistiendo al evento se le ha pedido irse, y le hemos excluido del espacio/festival.
Nos hemos enterado que Eric, que es voluntarix con Working Bikes Chicago, tiene una historia de trabajar con las fuerzas armadas y en el servicio secreto/servicios de inteligencia de Estados Unidos. Ellx actualmente trabaja en la compra y venta de oro, petróleo, gas, plata, y otros “recursos” naturales, y ha dicho que no tiene problemas ni morales ni éticos en hacer este trabajo.
Enclave Caracol tiene una política estricta de “no policías” que existe para la seguridad de las personas que usan el edificio. Estamos activamente participando no solamente en la resistencia contra el sistema existente, sino también en construir alternativas para el futuro -- ambas cosas que nos ponen en conflicto frecuente con autoridades y corporaciones estatales. Además, Enclave es un espacio feminista, anti capitalista y anti autoritario. Debido a la proximidad de esta persona a las autoridades violentas estatales y la destrucción de tierras, comunidades, culturas y modos de sustento a través de la extracción de recursos, a ellx se le ha excluido. Esto no sólo se trata de las personas que asisten a Bike Bike 2019, sino también es un acto de solidaridad con las personas que resisten la destrucción ambiental, la colonización y la desposesión en todas partes del mundo.
La decisión de excluir a esta persona del evento no se hizo mediante un proceso de consenso absoluto. Esto quiere decir que algunas personas dentro de las colectividades no están de acuerdo con la decisión, o no estuvieron presentes cuando se tomó la decisión por cuestiones dentro de la dinámica del evento. Sin embargo, apoyaron la decisión. Estamos conscientes de que la decisión no es fácil, que no vamos a satisfacer a todas las personas, pero estamos abiertxs al diálogo y al constante aprendizaje.
Con amor y solidaridad,
Miembrxs de
Bicis Disidentes y Enclave Caracol
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
To the participants of Bike Bike 2019 Tijuana,
We write to inform you all that a person attending the event has been asked to leave and excluded from the space/festival.
It has come to our attention that Eric, who is a volunteer with Working Bikes Chicago, has a history of working in the military and in intelligence/secret services of the United States. He/they currently work buying and selling gold, petroleum, gas, silver and other natural ´resources,’ and have said that they have no moral or ethical problem in this line of work.
Enclave Caracol has a strict ¨no police¨ policy which exists for the safety of people who use the building. We are actively involved in not only resisting the existing system, but in building alternatives for the future – both of which are things that bring us into regular conflict with state authorities and corporations. Furthermore, Enclave is a feminist, anti’capitalist and anti’authoritarian space. Due to this person’s proximity to violent state authority and the destruction of land, communities, cultures and livelihoods via resource extraction, they have been excluded. This is not only about the people attending Bike Bike 2019, but is also an act of solidarity with people resisting environmental destruction, colonization and dispossession all over the world.
The decision to exclude this person from the event was not made via consensus, meaning some people within the collectives do not agree with the decision, or were not present when the decision was being made. However they support the decision. We are aware that the decision is not easy, that we are not going to satisfy everyone, but we are open to dialogue and constantly learning.
With love and solidarity,
Members of
Bicis Disidentes and Enclave Caracol
El mié., 6 de nov. de 2019 a la(s) 13:12, < thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org> escribió:
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dennis Wollersheim dewoller@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Scott Long scott.m.long@gmail.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:26:11 +1100 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Wiki broken? It looks like if you access the pages using:
https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
it works. If you access them using
http://w.bikecollectives.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
The internal links are broken. There is something misconfigured in the wiki, but the moral of the story is, use #1, not #2!
Cheers
Dennis
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:47 AM Jonathan Rosenbaum gnuser@gmail.com wrote:
It is working at https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_Organ... .
Were you logged into the wiki when this happened?
-Jonathan
On 2019-11-04 14:32, Scott Long wrote:
I tried to access the list of community bike shops in the wiki and all the links appear broken.
http://w.bikecollectives.org/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_Organizations
Any ideas?
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As a (very passive) observer of this episode, I very much appreciate the clarification re: Eric's military and intelligence ties. This makes the decision a lot more understandable; I also appreciate the willingness of Bicis Disidentes and Enclave Caracol in being transparent about their role in the events, and their stance.
It could be argued that including him could have influenced him for the better, and that excluding him didn't really make anyone safer considering that his openess about his background could make it trivial to exclude him from sensitive discussions, but then again we all should be aware how aggressively and ruthlessly U.S. intelligence operatives work to subvert and destroy communal and anticapitalist initiatives in central and south america - and what good would someone associated with U.S. intelligence ultimately be looking to do? Guilt by association is a precarious concept, but in this case I can see why people might have chosen to err on the side of caution.
Ride safe, cyclistas!
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-11-07 02:09, Bicis Disidentes wrote:
Re: Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?!
*** inglés abajo *** *** english below ***
A lxs participantes de Bici Bici 2019 Tijuana
Escribimos para informarlxs que a una persona que estaba asistiendo al evento se le ha pedido irse, y le hemos excluido del espacio/festival.
Nos hemos enterado que Eric, que es voluntarix con Working Bikes Chicago, tiene una historia de trabajar con las fuerzas armadas y en el servicio secreto/servicios de inteligencia de Estados Unidos. Ellx actualmente trabaja en la compra y venta de oro, petróleo, gas, plata, y otros “recursos” naturales, y ha dicho que no tiene problemas ni morales ni éticos en hacer este trabajo.
Enclave Caracol tiene una política estricta de “no policías” que existe para la seguridad de las personas que usan el edificio. Estamos activamente participando no solamente en la resistencia contra el sistema existente, sino también en construir alternativas para el futuro -- ambas cosas que nos ponen en conflicto frecuente con autoridades y corporaciones estatales. Además, Enclave es un espacio feminista, anti capitalista y anti autoritario. Debido a la proximidad de esta persona a las autoridades violentas estatales y la destrucción de tierras, comunidades, culturas y modos de sustento a través de la extracción de recursos, a ellx se le ha excluido. Esto no sólo se trata de las personas que asisten a Bike Bike 2019, sino también es un acto de solidaridad con las personas que resisten la destrucción ambiental, la colonización y la desposesión en todas partes del mundo.
La decisión de excluir a esta persona del evento no se hizo mediante un proceso de consenso absoluto. Esto quiere decir que algunas personas dentro de las colectividades no están de acuerdo con la decisión, o no estuvieron presentes cuando se tomó la decisión por cuestiones dentro de la dinámica del evento. Sin embargo, apoyaron la decisión. Estamos conscientes de que la decisión no es fácil, que no vamos a satisfacer a todas las personas, pero estamos abiertxs al diálogo y al constante aprendizaje.
Con amor y solidaridad,
Miembrxs de
Bicis Disidentes y Enclave Caracol
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
To the participants of Bike Bike 2019 Tijuana,
We write to inform you all that a person attending the event has been asked to leave and excluded from the space/festival.
It has come to our attention that Eric, who is a volunteer with Working Bikes Chicago, has a history of working in the military and in intelligence/secret services of the United States. He/they currently work buying and selling gold, petroleum, gas, silver and other natural ´resources,’ and have said that they have no moral or ethical problem in this line of work.
Enclave Caracol has a strict ¨no police¨ policy which exists for the safety of people who use the building. We are actively involved in not only resisting the existing system, but in building alternatives for the future – both of which are things that bring us into regular conflict with state authorities and corporations. Furthermore, Enclave is a feminist, anti’capitalist and anti’authoritarian space. Due to this person’s proximity to violent state authority and the destruction of land, communities, cultures and livelihoods via resource extraction, they have been excluded. This is not only about the people attending Bike Bike 2019, but is also an act of solidarity with people resisting environmental destruction, colonization and dispossession all over the world.
The decision to exclude this person from the event was not made via consensus, meaning some people within the collectives do not agree with the decision, or were not present when the decision was being made. However they support the decision. We are aware that the decision is not easy, that we are not going to satisfy everyone, but we are open to dialogue and constantly learning.
With love and solidarity,
Members of
Bicis Disidentes and Enclave Caracol
El mié., 6 de nov. de 2019 a la(s) 13:12, < thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org> escribió:
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dennis Wollersheim dewoller@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Scott Long scott.m.long@gmail.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:26:11 +1100 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Wiki broken? It looks like if you access the pages using:
https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
it works. If you access them using
http://w.bikecollectives.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
The internal links are broken. There is something misconfigured in the wiki, but the moral of the story is, use #1, not #2!
Cheers
Dennis
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:47 AM Jonathan Rosenbaum gnuser@gmail.com wrote:
It is working at https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_Organ... .
Were you logged into the wiki when this happened?
-Jonathan
On 2019-11-04 14:32, Scott Long wrote:
I tried to access the list of community bike shops in the wiki and all the links appear broken.
http://w.bikecollectives.org/index.php?title=Community_Bicycle_Organizations
Any ideas?
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