LA Is the Worst Cycling City in the United States
This article hit me especially hard after experiencing LA cycling at Bike!Bike! this year: https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a23566413/los-angeles-is-the-worst-bike-ci...
I was impressed with Ciclavia but after spending the last next week with my friend in West LA (traveling soley by car) I saw how the city is designed completely around cars. The legislative battles in the article are particularly discouraging.
What do others think about how LA is doing as a bike city?
Gabriel (from Bike Farm in Portland, OR)
I think there was a lot of progress with low hanging fruit then there was a big push for vision zero and complete streets. In CA you have to set speed limits based on avg speed. So to cut speed and make streets safer they have to calm or narrow streets. They often did this by removing a lane of Mixed traffic and adding bike lanes. What followed was called the bikelash with major political backlash and threats of recall elections. They mayor threw a couple of councilors under the bus by not backing them when their constituents were raising hell about this. Most other councilors have backed off and a lot of the infrastructure has been removed to reinstate auto lanes. What remains is what we call island infrastructure where you’ll get a few glorious blocks of bike lane that will then suddenly disappear and dump you into a road with 60kph traffic.
Loconte
On Oct 15, 2018, at 16:21, Gabriel Trainer getrainer@bikefarm.org wrote:
This article hit me especially hard after experiencing LA cycling at Bike!Bike! this year: https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a23566413/los-angeles-is-the-worst-bike-ci...
I was impressed with Ciclavia but after spending the last next week with my friend in West LA (traveling soley by car) I saw how the city is designed completely around cars. The legislative battles in the article are particularly discouraging.
What do others think about how LA is doing as a bike city?
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i did not read the article. Maybe I should. i live in Eugene Oregon. This is recent until july of this year I lived in Korea Town in the middle of Los Angeles i do not use cars and find Los Angeles easy to navigate. One simply needs to ride on the empty side streets.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:45 PM wormsign@gmail.com wrote:
I think there was a lot of progress with low hanging fruit then there was a big push for vision zero and complete streets. In CA you have to set speed limits based on avg speed. So to cut speed and make streets safer they have to calm or narrow streets. They often did this by removing a lane of Mixed traffic and adding bike lanes. What followed was called the bikelash with major political backlash and threats of recall elections. They mayor threw a couple of councilors under the bus by not backing them when their constituents were raising hell about this. Most other councilors have backed off and a lot of the infrastructure has been removed to reinstate auto lanes. What remains is what we call island infrastructure where you’ll get a few glorious blocks of bike lane that will then suddenly disappear and dump you into a road with 60kph traffic.
Loconte
On Oct 15, 2018, at 16:21, Gabriel Trainer getrainer@bikefarm.org wrote:
This article hit me especially hard after experiencing LA cycling at Bike!Bike! this year: https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a23566413/los-angeles-is-the-worst-bike-ci...
I was impressed with Ciclavia but after spending the last next week with my friend in West LA (traveling soley by car) I saw how the city is designed completely around cars. The legislative battles in the article are particularly discouraging.
What do others think about how LA is doing as a bike city?
Gabriel (from Bike Farm in Portland, OR)
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Ok i read the article things need to improve.
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 9:19 AM Jim Bledsoe gamesbledsoe@gmail.com wrote:
i did not read the article. Maybe I should. i live in Eugene Oregon. This is recent until july of this year I lived in Korea Town in the middle of Los Angeles i do not use cars and find Los Angeles easy to navigate. One simply needs to ride on the empty side streets.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:45 PM wormsign@gmail.com wrote:
I think there was a lot of progress with low hanging fruit then there was a big push for vision zero and complete streets. In CA you have to set speed limits based on avg speed. So to cut speed and make streets safer they have to calm or narrow streets. They often did this by removing a lane of Mixed traffic and adding bike lanes. What followed was called the bikelash with major political backlash and threats of recall elections. They mayor threw a couple of councilors under the bus by not backing them when their constituents were raising hell about this. Most other councilors have backed off and a lot of the infrastructure has been removed to reinstate auto lanes. What remains is what we call island infrastructure where you’ll get a few glorious blocks of bike lane that will then suddenly disappear and dump you into a road with 60kph traffic.
Loconte
On Oct 15, 2018, at 16:21, Gabriel Trainer getrainer@bikefarm.org wrote:
This article hit me especially hard after experiencing LA cycling at Bike!Bike! this year: https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a23566413/los-angeles-is-the-worst-bike-ci...
I was impressed with Ciclavia but after spending the last next week with my friend in West LA (traveling soley by car) I saw how the city is designed completely around cars. The legislative battles in the article are particularly discouraging.
What do others think about how LA is doing as a bike city?
Gabriel (from Bike Farm in Portland, OR)
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I agree with Jim. I’ve been living on and off in LA at one point, without a car, and found quite extraordinary how easy it was to navigate the city on a bicycle as long as (i) you always stuck to side streets and (ii) you were extremely careful at the sometimes quite scary crossroads, particularly the very busy ones going straight to the 10 or the 101 etc..
Last year though, I realized that a lot of people were using their GPS to try to beat traffic, so that some side streets used thus as shortcuts were becoming packed. What I did at some point, in neighbordhoods I didn’t know, was to use these infos to beat the traffic beaters and avoid their alternative streets.
But it certainly looks like LA car-drivers are totally blind at night, so then, it can get quite insane, even if you have good lights and reflectives.
I’m not going there anymore, so I don’t know how it is now.
From: Thethinktank thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org On Behalf Of Jim Bledsoe Sent: mercredi 17 octobre 2018 18:20 To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] LA Is the Worst Cycling City in the United States
i did not read the article. Maybe I should. i live in Eugene Oregon.
This is recent until july of this year I lived in Korea Town in the middle of Los Angeles
i do not use cars and find Los Angeles easy to navigate.
One simply needs to ride on the empty side streets.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:45 PM <wormsign@gmail.com mailto:wormsign@gmail.com > wrote:
I think there was a lot of progress with low hanging fruit then there was a big push for vision zero and complete streets. In CA you have to set speed limits based on avg speed. So to cut speed and make streets safer they have to calm or narrow streets. They often did this by removing a lane of
Mixed traffic and adding bike lanes. What followed was called the bikelash with major political backlash and threats of recall elections. They mayor threw a couple of councilors under the bus by not backing them when their constituents were raising hell about this. Most other councilors have backed off and a lot of the infrastructure has been removed to reinstate auto lanes.
What remains is what we call island infrastructure where you’ll get a few glorious blocks of bike lane that will then suddenly disappear and dump you into a road with 60kph traffic.
Loconte
On Oct 15, 2018, at 16:21, Gabriel Trainer <getrainer@bikefarm.org mailto:getrainer@bikefarm.org > wrote:
This article hit me especially hard after experiencing LA cycling at Bike!Bike! this year: https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a23566413/los-angeles-is-the-worst-bike-ci...
I was impressed with Ciclavia but after spending the last next week with my friend in West LA (traveling soley by car) I saw how the city is designed completely around cars. The legislative battles in the article are particularly discouraging.
What do others think about how LA is doing as a bike city?
Gabriel (from Bike Farm in Portland, OR)
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Hi Jim, Do you know Leo at the CAT
i did not read the article. Maybe I should. i live in Eugene Oregon. This is recent until july of this year I lived in Korea Town in the middle of Los Angeles
i do not use cars and find Los Angeles easy to navigate.
One simply needs to ride on the empty side streets.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:45 PM wormsign@gmail.com wrote: I think there was a lot of progress with low hanging fruit then there was a big push for vision zero and complete streets. In CA you have to set speed limits based on avg speed. So to cut speed and make streets safer they have to calm or narrow streets. They often did this by removing a lane of Mixed traffic and adding bike lanes. What followed was called the bikelash with major political backlash and threats of recall elections. They mayor threw a couple of councilors under the bus by not backing them when their constituents were raising hell about this. Most other councilors have backed off and a lot of the infrastructure has been removed to reinstate auto lanes. What remains is what we call island infrastructure where you'll get a few glorious blocks of bike lane that will then suddenly disappear and dump you into a road with 60kph traffic.
Loconte
On Oct 15, 2018, at 16:21, Gabriel Trainer getrainer@bikefarm.org wrote:
This article hit me especially hard after experiencing LA cycling at Bike!Bike! this year: https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a23566413/los-angeles-is-the-worst-bike-ci...
I was impressed with Ciclavia but after spending the last next week with my friend in West LA (traveling soley by car) I saw how the city is designed completely around cars. The legislative battles in the article are particularly discouraging.
What do others think about how LA is doing as a bike city?
Gabriel (from Bike Farm in Portland, OR)
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