Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 139, Issue 2
Thank you for your reply, Clint. I don't have much wisdom to bring to bear on this subject but the wasted resource grates against my native inclination for efficiency, re-use and re-purposing. My instincts tell me you are correct in that the construction style of these "share" bikes does not lend itself to long-life, sustainability or restoration into a more traditional bike - but I just don't know if that is true. I have never even ridden one. Which is why I put the question to this bike collectives list serve.
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- Re: China Bike Share Surplus? (Clint Watson)
- Re: China Bike Share Surplus? (Gabriel Trainer)
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Clint Watson clint@bicyclecollective.org To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 16:10:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] China Bike Share Surplus? I had a meeting with the Director of SLC Greenbike last week regarding this. It's a huge and growing problem for many cities in the US. Apparently the business model for these operations is modeled after Uber or other tech startups--don't worry about profits, just get investment money and dominate the market/run other bike share companies out of business by offering the service free of charge to cities.
The bikes average $200 each and because of that they are being used as a disposable resource. They're being discarded, damaged, and vandalized at staggering rates in places like Dallas.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/05/technology/dallas- bikeshare-limebike-ofo/index.html
And Seattle is now starting to see similar problems.
I don't see it as a sustainable solution to transportation: if we're going to start seeing entire landfills full of bikes (i.e. the photos from China), that seems to undercut the argument that bikes are a more sustainable solution than other transportation options. And the bigger danger is that the companies offering this new model (Limebike, for example) have no long term model. They've been operating at a loss since inception and will continue to for the foreseeable future. If they replace more sustainable models, then pull the plug because they lose their investment funding, it will set the whole bike share movement back years.
As for just using the discarded bikes in your local co-op, I'm also skeptical. If they're not being used by the bike share company, the assumption is they're damaged. I can't say for certain whether it would be cost effective to repair and repurpose a fleet of bikes that were barely usable in the first place because I haven't had first hand experience with them, but I'm skeptical.
Just my two cents
Clint Watson Executive Director Bicycle Collective www.bicyclecollective.org clint@bicyclecollective.org
*The mission of the Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation, recreation, and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.*
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Katy Collet katy@cyclonordsud.org wrote:
Bonjour, Prenez note que je serai absente du 20 mars au 2 avril inclusivement. Pour toute urgence veuillez contacter François Delwaide à francois@cyclonordsud.org Merci,
Hi, I'll be out of the office from March 20th to April 2nd included. In case of emergency, please contact François Delwaide at francois@cyclonordsud.org Best,
Saludos, Estaré afuera de la oficina desde marzo 20 hasta abril 2 inclusivo. En caso de urgencia, por favor escribir a François Delwaide francois@cyclonordsud.org Gracias,
Katy Collet Coordonnatrice projets internationaux Cyclo Nord-Sud 8717, 8e Avenue, Montréal, QC H1Z 2X4 514 843-0077 http://cyclonordsud.org/
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gabriel Trainer getrainer@bikefarm.org To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:15:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] China Bike Share Surplus? Those are frightening pictures! One or a few bikes are cool. Thousands of bikes piled together are no better than a trash heap. Gabriel
On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 3:10 PM Clint Watson clint@bicyclecollective.org wrote:
I had a meeting with the Director of SLC Greenbike last week regarding this. It's a huge and growing problem for many cities in the US. Apparently the business model for these operations is modeled after Uber or other tech startups--don't worry about profits, just get investment money and dominate the market/run other bike share companies out of business by offering the service free of charge to cities.
The bikes average $200 each and because of that they are being used as a disposable resource. They're being discarded, damaged, and vandalized at staggering rates in places like Dallas.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/05/technology/dallas- bikeshare-limebike-ofo/index.html
And Seattle is now starting to see similar problems.
I don't see it as a sustainable solution to transportation: if we're going to start seeing entire landfills full of bikes (i.e. the photos from China), that seems to undercut the argument that bikes are a more sustainable solution than other transportation options. And the bigger danger is that the companies offering this new model (Limebike, for example) have no long term model. They've been operating at a loss since inception and will continue to for the foreseeable future. If they replace more sustainable models, then pull the plug because they lose their investment funding, it will set the whole bike share movement back years.
As for just using the discarded bikes in your local co-op, I'm also skeptical. If they're not being used by the bike share company, the assumption is they're damaged. I can't say for certain whether it would be cost effective to repair and repurpose a fleet of bikes that were barely usable in the first place because I haven't had first hand experience with them, but I'm skeptical.
Just my two cents
Clint Watson Executive Director Bicycle Collective www.bicyclecollective.org clint@bicyclecollective.org
*The mission of the Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation, recreation, and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.*
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Katy Collet katy@cyclonordsud.org wrote:
Bonjour, Prenez note que je serai absente du 20 mars au 2 avril inclusivement. Pour toute urgence veuillez contacter François Delwaide à francois@cyclonordsud.org Merci,
Hi, I'll be out of the office from March 20th to April 2nd included. In case of emergency, please contact François Delwaide at francois@cyclonordsud.org Best,
Saludos, Estaré afuera de la oficina desde marzo 20 hasta abril 2 inclusivo. En caso de urgencia, por favor escribir a François Delwaide francois@cyclonordsud.org Gracias,
Katy Collet Coordonnatrice projets internationaux Cyclo Nord-Sud 8717, 8e Avenue, Montréal, QC H1Z 2X4 514 843-0077 http://cyclonordsud.org/
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