Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
Phil Bio-Lube and Pedro's ChainJ come to mind, if you've not tried them already. Both are chain lubes. I wouldn't say that either of them are the best chain lube I've ever used, but they do okay and are both biodegradable, if memory serves.
Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties. Flax (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing oil, which is why it's used in paints and the like. Good to season a cast-iron skillet, too, but such properties may be either helpful or harmful for different uses.
I'd be curious to see how butter. ghee (clarified butter, doesn't need refrigeration [especially as a lube!] so wouldn't get so funky as butter), or coconut oil might hold up as chain lube...the solid oils don't oxidize and gum up in the same ways that something like olive oil does, and therefore might work better. Refining oils can also change things dramatically. For the worse in food, but might be for the better in this case.
Josh
*Crooked River Recyclery* *Kent, O.*
"All Bikes! All People!"
At the Bike Church, as Ann said earlier- we've used the bio-lube for years- used to get it from Troy Boone who "invented it". We've often speculated that it is similar to bio-diesel. It is much less smelly, and works well. slight gumminess, but not bad. The stuff's not cheap, and we've considered investigating further with the local "green station" biodiesel producer to compare notes-
josh
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Beth & Josh Goran < crookedriverrecyclery@gmail.com> wrote:
Phil Bio-Lube and Pedro's ChainJ come to mind, if you've not tried them already. Both are chain lubes. I wouldn't say that either of them are the best chain lube I've ever used, but they do okay and are both biodegradable, if memory serves.
Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties. Flax (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing oil, which is why it's used in paints and the like. Good to season a cast-iron skillet, too, but such properties may be either helpful or harmful for different uses.
I'd be curious to see how butter. ghee (clarified butter, doesn't need refrigeration [especially as a lube!] so wouldn't get so funky as butter), or coconut oil might hold up as chain lube...the solid oils don't oxidize and gum up in the same ways that something like olive oil does, and therefore might work better. Refining oils can also change things dramatically. For the worse in food, but might be for the better in this case.
Josh
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I'd certainly like to hear about other experiences with this stuff. If
our group can afford it on an ongoing basis I'd love to get away from
the petrochemicals as much as possible. Our shop always has that
grease smell, which is mainly coming from the rags that are hung to
dry. (And right now those rags are just going into general garbage
when they're done.)
That said, we use Liquid Wrench to unstick stuff, and while it's a tad
nasty-smelling it really does an excellent job of unsticking seized
cups, etc., especially if left to sit overnight or for a few days.
Finding a plant-based solution to that may be harder, though granted
we use very little LW compared to chain lube (we actually use winter-
weight chainsaw oil) and bearing grease.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 10:13 PM, joshua muir wrote:
At the Bike Church, as Ann said earlier- we've used the bio-lube for
years- used to get it from Troy Boone who "invented it". We've
often speculated that it is similar to bio-diesel. It is much less
smelly, and works well. slight gumminess, but not bad. The stuff's
not cheap, and we've considered investigating further with the local
"green station" biodiesel producer to compare notes-josh
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Beth & Josh Goran <crookedriverrecyclery@gmail.com
wrote:
Phil Bio-Lube and Pedro's ChainJ come to mind, if you've not tried
them already. Both are chain lubes. I wouldn't say that either of
them are the best chain lube I've ever used, but they do okay and
are both biodegradable, if memory serves.Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties.
Flax (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing
oil, which is why it's used in paints and the like. Good to season a
cast-iron skillet, too, but such properties may be either helpful or
harmful for different uses.I'd be curious to see how butter. ghee (clarified butter, doesn't
need refrigeration [especially as a lube!] so wouldn't get so funky
as butter), or coconut oil might hold up as chain lube...the solid
oils don't oxidize and gum up in the same ways that something like
olive oil does, and therefore might work better. Refining oils can
also change things dramatically. For the worse in food, but might be
for the better in this case.Josh
Crooked River Recyclery Kent, O.
"All Bikes! All People!"
We don't allow any arasol products at our space for the most part- i hide the wd-40 or give it away. We get all ginds of stuff unstuck and don't miss that nasty stuff one bit. (particularly the liquid wrench)
josh
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca wrote:
I'd certainly like to hear about other experiences with this stuff. If our group can afford it on an ongoing basis I'd love to get away from the petrochemicals as much as possible. Our shop always has that grease smell, which is mainly coming from the rags that are hung to dry. (And right now those rags are just going into general garbage when they're done.)
That said, we use Liquid Wrench to unstick stuff, and while it's a tad nasty-smelling it really does an excellent job of unsticking seized cups, etc., especially if left to sit overnight or for a few days. Finding a plant-based solution to that may be harder, though granted we use very little LW compared to chain lube (we actually use winter-weight chainsaw oil) and bearing grease.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 10:13 PM, joshua muir wrote:
At the Bike Church, as Ann said earlier- we've used the bio-lube for
years- used to get it from Troy Boone who "invented it". We've often speculated that it is similar to bio-diesel. It is much less smelly, and works well. slight gumminess, but not bad. The stuff's not cheap, and we've considered investigating further with the local "green station" biodiesel producer to compare notes-
josh
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Beth & Josh Goran < crookedriverrecyclery@gmail.com> wrote: Phil Bio-Lube and Pedro's ChainJ come to mind, if you've not tried them already. Both are chain lubes. I wouldn't say that either of them are the best chain lube I've ever used, but they do okay and are both biodegradable, if memory serves.
Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties. Flax (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing oil, which is why it's used in paints and the like. Good to season a cast-iron skillet, too, but such properties may be either helpful or harmful for different uses.
I'd be curious to see how butter. ghee (clarified butter, doesn't need refrigeration [especially as a lube!] so wouldn't get so funky as butter), or coconut oil might hold up as chain lube...the solid oils don't oxidize and gum up in the same ways that something like olive oil does, and therefore might work better. Refining oils can also change things dramatically. For the worse in food, but might be for the better in this case.
Josh
Crooked River Recyclery Kent, O.
"All Bikes! All People!"
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I have utilized paraffin wax on chains with good success. The chains stay clean and the lube stays on for a long time. The only thing that one must be careful when heating is the wax has a flash point. A safe practice would be to utilize a double boiler. Also, i have typically let the chain soak in the melted wax for maybe 5 minutes to allow time for the wax to get into the pins and plates.
Eric Brozell Bicycle Erie
On 5/4/11 8:59 PM, Beth & Josh Goran wrote:
Phil Bio-Lube and Pedro's ChainJ come to mind, if you've not tried them already. Both are chain lubes. I wouldn't say that either of them are the best chain lube I've ever used, but they do okay and are both biodegradable, if memory serves.
Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties. Flax (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing oil, which is why it's used in paints and the like. Good to season a cast-iron skillet, too, but such properties may be either helpful or harmful for different uses.
I'd be curious to see how butter. ghee (clarified butter, doesn't need refrigeration [especially as a lube!] so wouldn't get so funky as butter), or coconut oil might hold up as chain lube...the solid oils don't oxidize and gum up in the same ways that something like olive oil does, and therefore might work better. Refining oils can also change things dramatically. For the worse in food, but might be for the better in this case.
Josh
*Crooked River Recyclery* *Kent, O.* "All Bikes! All People!"
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Beth & Josh Goran crookedriverrecyclery@gmail.com wrote:
Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties. Flax (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing oil, why it's
which is used in paints and the like. Good to season a cast-iron skillet, too,
but such properties may be either helpful or harmful for different uses.
I use linseed oil as a spoke & nipple lubricant when building wheels. After a few days it sets up to be very gooey resulting in a built in thread locking compound. This is an asset for the spoke & nipple application but I would not recommend it for other uses on a bike. Chris Wells (Email Handler & one of many Volunteer Head Mechanics)
re-Cycles Community Bicycle Shop 473 Bronson Ave. Ottawa info@re-cycles.ca http://www.re-cycles.ca/
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