Re: [TheThinkTank] Insurance for youth welding programs through bikes

26 Jan 2013

      I've built a couple of simple bike trailers. Thanks for the photos.  I really like your design.  I would like to see your hitch and tow bar design.
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From: christopher@holisticcycles.com
To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Insurance for youth welding programs through bikes
Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 12:16
I build trailers without welding at all, some handle up to 1200 pound. I weld other trailers because I can. My thoughts are this, if I am teaching kids to think about designing, engineering, constructing things; I want them to be able to do it in the future with the tools they or their parents may all ready have at home or tool they can buy inexpensively. Some kids may have a welder at home, More kids will have a drill. I built my trailers with a drill and a conduit bender. I normally haul 350 to 400 pounds of gear with it. It can be made small to haul groceries or large to carry a sofa. 
We are currently making one to carry 12 bikes and the gear to teach a mobile bicycle safety course at schools. 
Christopher WallaceHolistic Cycles140 Harrison StOak Park, IL. 60304
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Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Insurance for youth welding programs
through bikes
From: Nozomi Ikuta nozomi@affordablebikesrecyclery.com
Date: Wed, January 23, 2013 8:28 pm
To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
That was my thought exactly -- this is where our thoughts headed when we thought about welding. Cargo trailers, that is!
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:20 PM, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
what about building trailers
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles140 Harrison StOak Park, IL. 60304
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Subject: [TheThinkTank] Insurance for youth welding programs through
bikes
From: "Bronwyn Potthoff" bpotthoff@gwi.net
Date: Fri, January 18, 2013 8:55 am
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Hello, We’ve been unsuccessfully trying to secure insurance to initiate a welding/fabrication program through the Community Bicycle Center. Ideally, we’re helping youth develop technical job skills through creating low-rider and chopper bicycles --- but the point of the program is not about bikes, it’s about learning the welding and fabrication skills necessary to create a tricked-out ride.   The major obstacle we hear from insurance companies is that we’re creating a high-risk “Frankenstein” product (or “functional art”) that is extremely hard to insure. As soon as we chop a bike, the manufacturer’s warranty is null and void (for good reason!) The actual welding with kids is not a huge issue – it’s what happens if a weld breaks or a kid injures him/herself going off jump with a bike that is not build to handle such stressors. Waivers and disclaimers will only go so far and are not bullet-proof. Because we’re a commercial entity, it’s obviously not covered under any homeowner’s insurance policy (which would be what covers you if you’re helping your nine year-old neighbor weld a sick mutant bike). Also, vocational school insurance functions differently – I checked that too.   I may end up having to change the program so that our “product” is not a bike, but something less risky such as a static sculpture. Regardless, does anybody have any experience with securing insurance for commercial (aka nonprofit) welding work with kids during which a “product” gets fabricated? [Keep in mind, all programs are free AND the product created is also free --- no bill of sale is involved] I’ve touched base with other programs around the country that do similar work, but have not heard back.   Thanks!! If it makes more sense to talk through this via phone, my number is 207 282 9700.   Bronwyn Potthoff, Resource Development/Community Relations Director Community Bicycle Center(mailing) P.O. Box 783(shop) 284 Hill Street Biddeford, Maine 04005t: 207.282.9700     www.communitybike.net        Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow _______________________________________________
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