Thank you for the information Ainsley, AMS Bike coop, Leslie, and Christopher Chan, This will help with attempting to restart a women identified/queer/trans open shop session... When I helped lead this night quite a few years ago it was fantastic. And I think it helped introduce people to the space and become comfortable with it-most times people who attended this night would also start attending other shop nights as well.

If I have most questions I will contact you! (: Thank you.

Judith

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:48 AM, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:

It is mindful work, it is hard internal spiritual journey for some and just bliss for others. We all love the bicycle, how do we share the love with our children, our peers, our neighbors, our loves, our parents, our grand parents? Or are we an island isolated from others?

Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304

Interesting bike writing about making [female] bike partners in... Have to look it up, a classic. Want to say foreman, but not likely... Effective Cycling John Forrester MIT Press pp. 285-295 Chapter 41 Cycling with Love ( continues to cycling w children, a corollary imho)

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On Oct 18, 2014 2:44 PM, <christopher@holisticcycles.com> wrote:

> This is a life time of trouble or of commitment. If you are a guy and you
> wish a woman would ride with you but you make excuses as to why not ride
> her speed, then you have a lifetime problem that only you can address. I am
> a recumbent rider, I can average 33 mph solo, I can also ride 4 to 6 mph
> shoulder to shoulder, with my gal. It took her a couple of year to get up
> to 12 to 14 mph average. She is still no where near 33 mph. SO WHAT! I want
> to ride with her, I want to Wrench with her, I want to play with her. So I
> work hard to work with her and not for her, I ride with her, not asking for
> her to catch up. I love her and do all I can to teach her with kindness,
> show her how to, then disassemble it and let her try. I never take over and
> do it for her unless she asks for my help.
> I have a commitment to support her and be with her every day. Bicycling
> is not a trouble between us, it is a sign of our commitment to eachother.
>
> I also ride alone for fun at full speed, or when I am coming home at full
> blast to be with her.
>
> Boys, are you committed or  full of mechanic and bicycle trouble?
>
> Christopher Wallace
> Holistic Cycles
> 140 Harrison St
> Oak Park, IL. 60304
>
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] women/women identified/trans open shop night
> From: DancesWithCars <danceswithcars@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, October 17, 2014 7:02 pm
> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>
>
> Three of the four Washington, dc coops/youth programs have , or had
> wimmin's nights, last I knew.
>  I advocated for one, and threatened to dress up as a woman to get in (
> only done it half arsed once while clowning in WV ), and see how it was
> going/ get attention.
> Not sure about separate trans/ queerfolk night, would have to have enough
> of those types/ self identify to make it work.
> Agreed, testosterone kills community, and a lot of other things,
> especially with tools in hand, but estrogen poisoning is a little over the
> top too.  How many, oh, how many rabbits must die, before we figure this
> out?  /bad joke
> Being not part of either ( O+/ tq) , I can't speak much to it ( doesn't
> seem to stop me from trying, though ).  Separatist organizations/ cliques
> and subgrouping is always a little tricky if trying to build community, as
> a whole, imnsho.
> That said, disabled night, I haven't seen, nor tried...
>  Bike Hospital, as how for younger kids has been done, informally, iirc.
> Currently, Spanish is running separate from English some other types of
> places I sometimes go...
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
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> On Oct 17, 2014 5:35 PM, "Christopher Chan" <chris.chan@edmontonbikes.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> You're welcome to use text from our page:
>> http://edmontonbikes.ca/women
>> We are updating the name (women & trans) to include femme for ours, and
>> we will likely also introduce a separate queer time as well.
>>
>> Christopher Chan
>> Executive Director
>> Edmonton Bicycle Commuters Society
>> edmontonbikes.ca
>> BikeWorks North • 9305 111 Ave • T5G 0A2 • 780-757-9100
>> BikeWorks South • 8001 102 St • T6E 4A2 • 780-433-2453
>> Cell • 780-756-7560
>> On 17 Oct 2014 11:43, "Leslie Peteya" <lesliepeteya@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have both a women's night and a trans/queer night. Mainly, because
>>> we can serve the 2 different populations better.
>>>
>>> Our collective has had several intense discussions around why we need
>>> such nights. I explain the bro-chisimo environment of
>>> fixing bikes, the masculine energy, some men's tendency to jump and
>>> offer to 'help', discomfort felt by queer/trans populations in
>>> interacting with homophobic patrons, women's historic acculturation to
>>> be accommodating and not speak up, as and maybe I just want to hang out
>>> with my fellow women and share cupcakes, as all reasons for having these
>>> nights.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Leslie
>>> Durham Bike Co-op
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Judith Feist <judith.feist@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good Afternoon all,
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering what shops out there have specific shop nights
>>>> dedicated to a specific group of individuals...Do you have literature you
>>>> hand out to folks who ask questions about this specific shop night? How do
>>>> you run it? I would like to host an evening where folks who identify as
>>>> women/trans are able to come work on/learn about bike maintenance/safety in
>>>> a welcoming environment...
>>>>
>>>> Any info is helpful. Especially concerning how you respond to negative
>>>> comments pertaining to such evenings...
>>>>
>>>> I hope everyone is well and thank you, in advance, for any
>>>> information. It's greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> judith caroline feist
>>>>
>>>> "i don' think my art is political. i think it's about the stuff that
>>>> doesn't let me sleep at night." -felix gonzalez-torres
>>>>
>>>> I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything
>>>> else in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and
>>>> self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony
>>>>
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