Rubbing alcohol substitutes, spraying grips with bleach, etc.
Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful.
Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote:
Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful.
Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote:
Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote:
Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful.
Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote:
Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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Hi Kevin,
Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate?
Thank you,
Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful.
Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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Emily don't encourage him
On 2020-03-21 05:38, Emily Summerhays wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate?
Thank you,
Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful.
Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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I really didn’t mean to encourage him; I felt like his insights may have grown. I’m sorry if I made you feel I was being encouragable. Em
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
Emily don't encourage him
On 2020-03-21 05:38, Emily Summerhays wrote: Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful. Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one. Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission. Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag? And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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no need to apologize for anything! I'm sorry if I made you feel that you did something wrong
On 2020-03-21 06:00, Emily Summerhays wrote:
I really didn’t mean to encourage him; I felt like his insights may have grown. I’m sorry if I made you feel I was being encouragable. Em
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
Emily don't encourage him
On 2020-03-21 05:38, Emily Summerhays wrote: Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful. Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green. > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch > andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: > Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line > between serving our community and doing our part not to spread > covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so > it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over > looking at things from this one. > Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, > in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions > on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to > browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe > what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from > another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need > helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind > our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they > might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting > the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion > or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and > the fulfillment of our mission. > Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and > minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a > mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is > on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing > alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are > looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going > forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated > as the touch-points sanitizing rag? > And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike > purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims > and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity > ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the > doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our > basement... > -- > -- > Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his) > Executive Director > andrew@b4hpdx.org > Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes > while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and > commuting. > ____________________________________ > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list here:
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I mean, he was pretty relentless at first. But my opinion is that the relentless will likely save us. Thank you for continuing to facilitate our conversation. It really means a lot more to me than I’d ever express had you not replied to me directly. Thank you, truly. Em
On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:07 AM, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
no need to apologize for anything! I'm sorry if I made you feel that you did something wrong
On 2020-03-21 06:00, Emily Summerhays wrote: I really didn’t mean to encourage him; I felt like his insights may have grown. I’m sorry if I made you feel I was being encouragable. Em
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
Emily don't encourage him
On 2020-03-21 05:38, Emily Summerhays wrote: Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics. > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: > You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful. > Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green. >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: >> Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one. >> Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission. >> Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag? >> And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement... >> -- >> -- >> Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his) >> Executive Director >> andrew@b4hpdx.org >> Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and commuting. >> ____________________________________ >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... > -- > Kevin Dwyer > 801.647.0797 > ____________________________________ > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or...
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No problem! It's true we are in the midst of a great necessity for extreme measures.
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 06:12, Emily Summerhays wrote:
I mean, he was pretty relentless at first. But my opinion is that the relentless will likely save us. Thank you for continuing to facilitate our conversation. It really means a lot more to me than I’d ever express had you not replied to me directly. Thank you, truly. Em
On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:07 AM, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
no need to apologize for anything! I'm sorry if I made you feel that you did something wrong
On 2020-03-21 06:00, Emily Summerhays wrote: I really didn’t mean to encourage him; I felt like his insights may have grown. I’m sorry if I made you feel I was being encouragable. Em
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
Emily don't encourage him
On 2020-03-21 05:38, Emily Summerhays wrote: Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com > wrote: Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water. > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager > 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: > Citrus attacks plastics. >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com >> wrote: >> You should contact your county health department with your >> questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. >> Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were >> very helpful. >> Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about >> $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great >> solvent. Don't use Simple Green. >>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch >>> andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: >>> Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line >>> between serving our community and doing our part not to spread >>> covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, >>> so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all >>> over looking at things from this one. >>> Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, >>> in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions >>> on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks >>> to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations >>> describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ >>> away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if >>> they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the >>> parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and >>> any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory >>> means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes >>> as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own >>> needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission. >>> Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing >>> and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested >>> from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down >>> bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so >>> much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime >>> soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are >>> sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe >>> with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag? >>> And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike >>> purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, >>> rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity >>> ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the >>> doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our >>> basement... >>> -- >>> -- >>> Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his) >>> Executive Director >>> andrew@b4hpdx.org >>> Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes >>> while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and >>> commuting. >>> ____________________________________ >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... >> -- >> Kevin Dwyer >> 801.647.0797 >> ____________________________________ >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... > ____________________________________ > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list here:
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Thanks for the encouragement. I get calls and emails from bike and outdoor recreation folks everyday about Covid and regularly consult with the county health department. It’s my job.
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On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:01 AM, Emily Summerhays emily@boisebicycleproject.org wrote:
I really didn’t mean to encourage him; I felt like his insights may have grown. I’m sorry if I made you feel I was being encouragable. Em
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
Emily don't encourage him
On 2020-03-21 05:38, Emily Summerhays wrote:
Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful. Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green. > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: > Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one. > Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission. > Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag? > And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement... > -- > -- > Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his) > Executive Director > andrew@b4hpdx.org > Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and commuting. > ____________________________________ > The ThinkTank mailing List
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Hi Emily, All-
I think everyone should do their best. From my observations of bike shop protocols, the better ones have shut down or stayed open and eliminated people from entering the shop. In order to provide basic service, this can involve posting a person outside (under a canopy) or locking the door and posting a phone number on it to call for someone to serve them at the door. Some are offering pick up and delivery. Maybe it is appropriate to go to a drop off/pickup and fee for service model?
My research suggests that the current ”stay at home” order, in effect in all of California, would not allow bike shops to stay open, though enforcement seems difficult. Nonetheless, I don’t believe that bike shops should be pushing this boundary. If someone gets sick while working in your shop, in order to protect your community, you will have to undergo a massive decontamination and would be best advised to contact your local health department to accomplish that, who might require significant steps prior to reopening. They might even shut it completely for you. Bathrooms are a significant area of concern.
If you can eliminate all people in the shop except for a single person at a time, with protocols in place, it would seem the risk of transmission is very low. That’s why outside self-services and homework for mechanics seem like good ideas. Again, I would contact your county health department, which is what we did, and shut down the operation until you have a clear plan with them. Our group, a bicycle trail maintenance and advocacy group, was advised to discontinue field operations and all of our board and other meetings are now virtual.
I’m not sure that there is a way that bike shops, restaurants, clothing stores and other places of non-essential services and public interaction can remain open for much longer. It certainly seems that closure is the policy CA, IL and NY. I wish I had better options for you and others facing this.
Kevin Dwyer
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On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Emily Summerhays emily@boisebicycleproject.org wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate?
Thank you,
Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful.
Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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Regarding "massive decontamination":
Every ecosystem, terrestrial or likely otherwise, is teeming with pathogens. The creatures that live in an ecosystem don't eradicate these pathogens, they develop immunity to them and afterward live alongside them. It's important to realize that this virus, like most pathogens, will never be eradicated. This is why one of the main concerns when planning for any kind of extraterrestrial contact is lack of immunity on the part of one of the parties involved to pathogens carried from the other's ecosystem. We even need to worry about this when creating contact between widely separated species here on earth.
What we are aiming for with COVID-19 is not eradication but immunity. Decontamination is only urgent currently due to the highly contagious nature of this particular virus; without slowing the progress of exposure, sheer numbers of infections will cause the collapse of our medical system, and subsequently more deaths than would occur if the medical system was able to handle each case with full capability.
We're not trying to avoid getting infected in the ultimate sense, this isn't the zombie apocalypse. we're trying to save lives, yes, but by saving the medical system. Not by eradicating the virus.
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 06:23, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
Hi Emily, All-
I think everyone should do their best. From my observations of bike shop protocols, the better ones have shut down or stayed open and eliminated people from entering the shop. In order to provide basic service, this can involve posting a person outside (under a canopy) or locking the door and posting a phone number on it to call for someone to serve them at the door. Some are offering pick up and delivery. Maybe it is appropriate to go to a drop off/pickup and fee for service model?
My research suggests that the current ”stay at home” order, in effect in all of California, would not allow bike shops to stay open, though enforcement seems difficult. Nonetheless, I don’t believe that bike shops should be pushing this boundary. If someone gets sick while working in your shop, in order to protect your community, you will have to undergo a massive decontamination and would be best advised to contact your local health department to accomplish that, who might require significant steps prior to reopening. They might even shut it completely for you. Bathrooms are a significant area of concern.
If you can eliminate all people in the shop except for a single person at a time, with protocols in place, it would seem the risk of transmission is very low. That’s why outside self-services and homework for mechanics seem like good ideas. Again, I would contact your county health department, which is what we did, and shut down the operation until you have a clear plan with them. Our group, a bicycle trail maintenance and advocacy group, was advised to discontinue field operations and all of our board and other meetings are now virtual.
I’m not sure that there is a way that bike shops, restaurants, clothing stores and other places of non-essential services and public interaction can remain open for much longer. It certainly seems that closure is the policy CA, IL and NY. I wish I had better options for you and others facing this.
Kevin Dwyer
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On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Emily Summerhays emily@boisebicycleproject.org wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate?
Thank you,
Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful.
Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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Bonjour,
We also exchange on these points here in France. In Paris bicycle shops remain open, along with food businesses and food markets all over the country. Drugstores also. And that’s it. Parks and squares are closed, and seashores, riversides etc…we are asked for daily passes (printed and filled, dated) for a limited quantity of reasons to being out : a short health walk close to abode, medical reasons, work — for those allowed — food or medication shopping.
Police frequently control passes.
We are fighting to keep public hospitals from losing more budgets, more personnel, more surface.
Cycle on and stay healthy,
Claire Vélorution Paris
Le 21 mars 2020 à 08:11, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org a écrit :
Regarding "massive decontamination":
Every ecosystem, terrestrial or likely otherwise, is teeming with pathogens. The creatures that live in an ecosystem don't eradicate these pathogens, they develop immunity to them and afterward live alongside them. It's important to realize that this virus, like most pathogens, will never be eradicated. This is why one of the main concerns when planning for any kind of extraterrestrial contact is lack of immunity on the part of one of the parties involved to pathogens carried from the other's ecosystem. We even need to worry about this when creating contact between widely separated species here on earth.
What we are aiming for with COVID-19 is not eradication but immunity. Decontamination is only urgent currently due to the highly contagious nature of this particular virus; without slowing the progress of exposure, sheer numbers of infections will cause the collapse of our medical system, and subsequently more deaths than would occur if the medical system was able to handle each case with full capability.
We're not trying to avoid getting infected in the ultimate sense, this isn't the zombie apocalypse. we're trying to save lives, yes, but by saving the medical system. Not by eradicating the virus.
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 06:23, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
Hi Emily, All- I think everyone should do their best. From my observations of bike shop protocols, the better ones have shut down or stayed open and eliminated people from entering the shop. In order to provide basic service, this can involve posting a person outside (under a canopy) or locking the door and posting a phone number on it to call for someone to serve them at the door. Some are offering pick up and delivery. Maybe it is appropriate to go to a drop off/pickup and fee for service model? My research suggests that the current ”stay at home” order, in effect in all of California, would not allow bike shops to stay open, though enforcement seems difficult. Nonetheless, I don’t believe that bike shops should be pushing this boundary. If someone gets sick while working in your shop, in order to protect your community, you will have to undergo a massive decontamination and would be best advised to contact your local health department to accomplish that, who might require significant steps prior to reopening. They might even shut it completely for you. Bathrooms are a significant area of concern. If you can eliminate all people in the shop except for a single person at a time, with protocols in place, it would seem the risk of transmission is very low. That’s why outside self-services and homework for mechanics seem like good ideas. Again, I would contact your county health department, which is what we did, and shut down the operation until you have a clear plan with them. Our group, a bicycle trail maintenance and advocacy group, was advised to discontinue field operations and all of our board and other meetings are now virtual. I’m not sure that there is a way that bike shops, restaurants, clothing stores and other places of non-essential services and public interaction can remain open for much longer. It certainly seems that closure is the policy CA, IL and NY. I wish I had better options for you and others facing this. Kevin Dwyer IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential and/or protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privilege and Federal . If you are not the intended recipient, or if you are not responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that the disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (801) 647-0797, and return the original message to the above address, via email. Thank you.
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Emily Summerhays emily@boisebicycleproject.org wrote: Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful. Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green. > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: > Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one. > Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission. > Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag? > And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement... > -- > -- > Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his) > Executive Director > andrew@b4hpdx.org > Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and commuting. > ____________________________________ > The ThinkTank mailing List
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Claire,
Thanks very much for that information. Are bicycle shops in Paris allowed to remain open because the city considers bicycles essential for accessing food and medical services?
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 08:14, claire grover wrote:
Bonjour,
We also exchange on these points here in France. In Paris bicycle shops remain open, along with food businesses and food markets all over the country. Drugstores also. And that’s it. Parks and squares are closed, and seashores, riversides etc…we are asked for daily passes (printed and filled, dated) for a limited quantity of reasons to being out : a short health walk close to abode, medical reasons, work — for those allowed — food or medication shopping.
Police frequently control passes.
We are fighting to keep public hospitals from losing more budgets, more personnel, more surface.
Cycle on and stay healthy,
Claire Vélorution Paris
Le 21 mars 2020 à 08:11, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org a écrit :
Regarding "massive decontamination":
Every ecosystem, terrestrial or likely otherwise, is teeming with pathogens. The creatures that live in an ecosystem don't eradicate these pathogens, they develop immunity to them and afterward live alongside them. It's important to realize that this virus, like most pathogens, will never be eradicated. This is why one of the main concerns when planning for any kind of extraterrestrial contact is lack of immunity on the part of one of the parties involved to pathogens carried from the other's ecosystem. We even need to worry about this when creating contact between widely separated species here on earth.
What we are aiming for with COVID-19 is not eradication but immunity. Decontamination is only urgent currently due to the highly contagious nature of this particular virus; without slowing the progress of exposure, sheer numbers of infections will cause the collapse of our medical system, and subsequently more deaths than would occur if the medical system was able to handle each case with full capability.
We're not trying to avoid getting infected in the ultimate sense, this isn't the zombie apocalypse. we're trying to save lives, yes, but by saving the medical system. Not by eradicating the virus.
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 06:23, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
Hi Emily, All- I think everyone should do their best. From my observations of bike shop protocols, the better ones have shut down or stayed open and eliminated people from entering the shop. In order to provide basic service, this can involve posting a person outside (under a canopy) or locking the door and posting a phone number on it to call for someone to serve them at the door. Some are offering pick up and delivery. Maybe it is appropriate to go to a drop off/pickup and fee for service model? My research suggests that the current ”stay at home” order, in effect in all of California, would not allow bike shops to stay open, though enforcement seems difficult. Nonetheless, I don’t believe that bike shops should be pushing this boundary. If someone gets sick while working in your shop, in order to protect your community, you will have to undergo a massive decontamination and would be best advised to contact your local health department to accomplish that, who might require significant steps prior to reopening. They might even shut it completely for you. Bathrooms are a significant area of concern. If you can eliminate all people in the shop except for a single person at a time, with protocols in place, it would seem the risk of transmission is very low. That’s why outside self-services and homework for mechanics seem like good ideas. Again, I would contact your county health department, which is what we did, and shut down the operation until you have a clear plan with them. Our group, a bicycle trail maintenance and advocacy group, was advised to discontinue field operations and all of our board and other meetings are now virtual. I’m not sure that there is a way that bike shops, restaurants, clothing stores and other places of non-essential services and public interaction can remain open for much longer. It certainly seems that closure is the policy CA, IL and NY. I wish I had better options for you and others facing this. Kevin Dwyer IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential and/or protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privilege and Federal . If you are not the intended recipient, or if you are not responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that the disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (801) 647-0797, and return the original message to the above address, via email. Thank you.
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Emily Summerhays emily@boisebicycleproject.org wrote: Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: Citrus attacks plastics. > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com > wrote: > You should contact your county health department with your > questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. > Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were > very helpful. > Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about > $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great > solvent. Don't use Simple Green. >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch >> andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: >> Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line >> between serving our community and doing our part not to spread >> covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so >> it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over >> looking at things from this one. >> Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, >> in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions >> on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks >> to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations >> describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ >> away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if >> they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the >> parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any >> other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory >> means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes >> as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own >> needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission. >> Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing >> and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested >> from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down >> bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so >> much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime >> soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are >> sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe >> with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag? >> And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike >> purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, >> rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity >> ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the >> doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our >> basement... >> -- >> -- >> Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his) >> Executive Director >> andrew@b4hpdx.org >> Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes >> while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and >> commuting. >> ____________________________________ >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... > -- > Kevin Dwyer > 801.647.0797 > ____________________________________ > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or...
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Bicycle shops are staying open here in Paris primarily for accessing work, Nicholas. We are fighting cars/pollution…it’s a municipal policy, we have a strong green party here allied to the municipal majority and pushing our socialist mayors since 2002. Cycling has been picking up strength over the years… 2/3 of the Paris population do not possess a car. Their is a fine PT system also…however a large part of the task force comes in from far away suburbs in cars.
Many parisians have left for their country abodes (secondary residences are a french tradition), it’s getting very quiet out, very unParis. Every evening at 8 whole streets here and there in the city open their windows and applaud…we applaud for our medical personnel very hard put, with insufficient respirators ans insufficient posts now after 20 years of (govn’t) cutting costs and closing public hospital departments and indeed entire hospitals around the country. As generally the medical public service everywhere, ours are very competent and devoted, stressed out and overworked. Medical services are discontinued except for emergencies and the Covid19 with fever AND complications.
We here though ever more confined are infinitely better off than the 70 million refugees worldwide…
Even though I will not be on my bike for a while, as I am retired and so not eligible except on market days if the open air food markets remain open which is under debate.
Tai-chi at home it is for me, an hour a day…
Have a ride for me you all out there !
Claire
Le 21 mars 2020 à 10:10, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org a écrit :
Claire,
Thanks very much for that information. Are bicycle shops in Paris allowed to remain open because the city considers bicycles essential for accessing food and medical services?
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 08:14, claire grover wrote:
Bonjour, We also exchange on these points here in France. In Paris bicycle shops remain open, along with food businesses and food markets all over the country. Drugstores also. And that’s it. Parks and squares are closed, and seashores, riversides etc…we are asked for daily passes (printed and filled, dated) for a limited quantity of reasons to being out : a short health walk close to abode, medical reasons, work — for those allowed — food or medication shopping. Police frequently control passes. We are fighting to keep public hospitals from losing more budgets, more personnel, more surface. Cycle on and stay healthy, Claire Vélorution Paris Le 21 mars 2020 à 08:11, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org a écrit :
Regarding "massive decontamination": Every ecosystem, terrestrial or likely otherwise, is teeming with pathogens. The creatures that live in an ecosystem don't eradicate these pathogens, they develop immunity to them and afterward live alongside them. It's important to realize that this virus, like most pathogens, will never be eradicated. This is why one of the main concerns when planning for any kind of extraterrestrial contact is lack of immunity on the part of one of the parties involved to pathogens carried from the other's ecosystem. We even need to worry about this when creating contact between widely separated species here on earth. What we are aiming for with COVID-19 is not eradication but immunity. Decontamination is only urgent currently due to the highly contagious nature of this particular virus; without slowing the progress of exposure, sheer numbers of infections will cause the collapse of our medical system, and subsequently more deaths than would occur if the medical system was able to handle each case with full capability. We're not trying to avoid getting infected in the ultimate sense, this isn't the zombie apocalypse. we're trying to save lives, yes, but by saving the medical system. Not by eradicating the virus. ~cyclista Nicholas On 2020-03-21 06:23, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
Hi Emily, All- I think everyone should do their best. From my observations of bike shop protocols, the better ones have shut down or stayed open and eliminated people from entering the shop. In order to provide basic service, this can involve posting a person outside (under a canopy) or locking the door and posting a phone number on it to call for someone to serve them at the door. Some are offering pick up and delivery. Maybe it is appropriate to go to a drop off/pickup and fee for service model? My research suggests that the current ”stay at home” order, in effect in all of California, would not allow bike shops to stay open, though enforcement seems difficult. Nonetheless, I don’t believe that bike shops should be pushing this boundary. If someone gets sick while working in your shop, in order to protect your community, you will have to undergo a massive decontamination and would be best advised to contact your local health department to accomplish that, who might require significant steps prior to reopening. They might even shut it completely for you. Bathrooms are a significant area of concern. If you can eliminate all people in the shop except for a single person at a time, with protocols in place, it would seem the risk of transmission is very low. That’s why outside self-services and homework for mechanics seem like good ideas. Again, I would contact your county health department, which is what we did, and shut down the operation until you have a clear plan with them. Our group, a bicycle trail maintenance and advocacy group, was advised to discontinue field operations and all of our board and other meetings are now virtual. I’m not sure that there is a way that bike shops, restaurants, clothing stores and other places of non-essential services and public interaction can remain open for much longer. It certainly seems that closure is the policy CA, IL and NY. I wish I had better options for you and others facing this. Kevin Dwyer IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential and/or protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privilege and Federal . If you are not the intended recipient, or if you are not responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that the disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (801) 647-0797, and return the original message to the above address, via email. Thank you.
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Emily Summerhays emily@boisebicycleproject.org wrote: Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project
> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water. > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: > Citrus attacks plastics. >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: >> You should contact your county health department with your questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were very helpful. >> Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great solvent. Don't use Simple Green. >>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: >>> Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one. >>> Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission. >>> Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag? >>> And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement... >>> -- >>> -- >>> Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his) >>> Executive Director >>> andrew@b4hpdx.org >>> Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and commuting. >>> ____________________________________ >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... >> -- >> Kevin Dwyer >> 801.647.0797 >> ____________________________________ >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... > ____________________________________ > The ThinkTank mailing List
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Will do, Claire! Thanks so much again for this picture. We will all have to share our energy and spirit to get through this. I love the imagery of the 8pm applause!! That's so powerful and beautiful.
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 10:40, claire grover wrote:
Bicycle shops are staying open here in Paris primarily for accessing work, Nicholas. We are fighting cars/pollution…it’s a municipal policy, we have a strong green party here allied to the municipal majority and pushing our socialist mayors since 2002. Cycling has been picking up strength over the years… 2/3 of the Paris population do not possess a car. Their is a fine PT system also…however a large part of the task force comes in from far away suburbs in cars.
Many parisians have left for their country abodes (secondary residences are a french tradition), it’s getting very quiet out, very unParis. Every evening at 8 whole streets here and there in the city open their windows and applaud…we applaud for our medical personnel very hard put, with insufficient respirators ans insufficient posts now after 20 years of (govn’t) cutting costs and closing public hospital departments and indeed entire hospitals around the country. As generally the medical public service everywhere, ours are very competent and devoted, stressed out and overworked. Medical services are discontinued except for emergencies and the Covid19 with fever AND complications.
We here though ever more confined are infinitely better off than the 70 million refugees worldwide…
Even though I will not be on my bike for a while, as I am retired and so not eligible except on market days if the open air food markets remain open which is under debate.
Tai-chi at home it is for me, an hour a day…
Have a ride for me you all out there !
Claire
Le 21 mars 2020 à 10:10, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org a écrit :
Claire,
Thanks very much for that information. Are bicycle shops in Paris allowed to remain open because the city considers bicycles essential for accessing food and medical services?
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 08:14, claire grover wrote:
Bonjour, We also exchange on these points here in France. In Paris bicycle shops remain open, along with food businesses and food markets all over the country. Drugstores also. And that’s it. Parks and squares are closed, and seashores, riversides etc…we are asked for daily passes (printed and filled, dated) for a limited quantity of reasons to being out : a short health walk close to abode, medical reasons, work — for those allowed — food or medication shopping. Police frequently control passes. We are fighting to keep public hospitals from losing more budgets, more personnel, more surface. Cycle on and stay healthy, Claire Vélorution Paris Le 21 mars 2020 à 08:11, Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org a écrit :
Regarding "massive decontamination": Every ecosystem, terrestrial or likely otherwise, is teeming with pathogens. The creatures that live in an ecosystem don't eradicate these pathogens, they develop immunity to them and afterward live alongside them. It's important to realize that this virus, like most pathogens, will never be eradicated. This is why one of the main concerns when planning for any kind of extraterrestrial contact is lack of immunity on the part of one of the parties involved to pathogens carried from the other's ecosystem. We even need to worry about this when creating contact between widely separated species here on earth. What we are aiming for with COVID-19 is not eradication but immunity. Decontamination is only urgent currently due to the highly contagious nature of this particular virus; without slowing the progress of exposure, sheer numbers of infections will cause the collapse of our medical system, and subsequently more deaths than would occur if the medical system was able to handle each case with full capability. We're not trying to avoid getting infected in the ultimate sense, this isn't the zombie apocalypse. we're trying to save lives, yes, but by saving the medical system. Not by eradicating the virus. ~cyclista Nicholas On 2020-03-21 06:23, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
Hi Emily, All- I think everyone should do their best. From my observations of bike shop protocols, the better ones have shut down or stayed open and eliminated people from entering the shop. In order to provide basic service, this can involve posting a person outside (under a canopy) or locking the door and posting a phone number on it to call for someone to serve them at the door. Some are offering pick up and delivery. Maybe it is appropriate to go to a drop off/pickup and fee for service model? My research suggests that the current ”stay at home” order, in effect in all of California, would not allow bike shops to stay open, though enforcement seems difficult. Nonetheless, I don’t believe that bike shops should be pushing this boundary. If someone gets sick while working in your shop, in order to protect your community, you will have to undergo a massive decontamination and would be best advised to contact your local health department to accomplish that, who might require significant steps prior to reopening. They might even shut it completely for you. Bathrooms are a significant area of concern. If you can eliminate all people in the shop except for a single person at a time, with protocols in place, it would seem the risk of transmission is very low. That’s why outside self-services and homework for mechanics seem like good ideas. Again, I would contact your county health department, which is what we did, and shut down the operation until you have a clear plan with them. Our group, a bicycle trail maintenance and advocacy group, was advised to discontinue field operations and all of our board and other meetings are now virtual. I’m not sure that there is a way that bike shops, restaurants, clothing stores and other places of non-essential services and public interaction can remain open for much longer. It certainly seems that closure is the policy CA, IL and NY. I wish I had better options for you and others facing this. Kevin Dwyer IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential and/or protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privilege and Federal . If you are not the intended recipient, or if you are not responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that the disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (801) 647-0797, and return the original message to the above address, via email. Thank you.
On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Emily Summerhays emily@boisebicycleproject.org wrote: Hi Kevin, Last week you were very vocal about your opinion that all of us shutter down. Can you share your insights about how we can and should continue to operate? Thank you, Emily - Boise Bicycle Project >> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:18 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com >> wrote: > > Thanks, I agree it attacks some plastics, though it does come in > a plastic bottle which seems to hold it well without > deterioration for more than a year. Citrus should always be > rinsed off with water and diluted for economy and protection of > plastics (up to 10:1). Simple Green attacks metal and causes > hydrogen embrittlement which can cause cracking and catastrophic > failure. This is a known problem for chains soaked in Simple > Green. I have also seen SG destroy bearing retainers. I've never > had a problem in 12 years using citrus dilution on all kinds of > bike parts and accessories, followed by rinsing with water. >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:59 PM General Manager >> 3rdwardbikes@gmail.com wrote: >> Citrus attacks plastics. >>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:39 PM Kevin Dwyer >>> kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote: >>> You should contact your county health department with your >>> questions, including inquiring about the shared use of helmets. >>> Our group had questions regarding our operations and they were >>> very helpful. >>> Citrus solvent, available by the gallon at Home Depot for about >>> $8, can be diluted up to 25/75 while still making a great >>> solvent. Don't use Simple Green. >>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andrew Shaw-Kitch >>>> andrew@b4hpdx.org wrote: >>>> Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line >>>> between serving our community and doing our part not to spread >>>> covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, >>>> so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all >>>> over looking at things from this one. >>>> Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, >>>> in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike >>>> adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online >>>> for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner >>>> organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is >>>> set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is >>>> asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet >>>> in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike >>>> options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is >>>> a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying >>>> to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, >>>> as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our >>>> mission. >>>> Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing >>>> and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested >>>> from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down >>>> bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so >>>> much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire >>>> anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact >>>> points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on >>>> grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points >>>> sanitizing rag? >>>> And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike >>>> purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, >>>> rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity >>>> ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the >>>> doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our >>>> basement... >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Andrew Shaw-Kitch (pronouns: he/him/his) >>>> Executive Director >>>> andrew@b4hpdx.org >>>> Our mission is to increase access to safe and affordable bikes >>>> while empowering self-sufficiency in bike maintenance and >>>> commuting. >>>> ____________________________________ >>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... >>> -- >>> Kevin Dwyer >>> 801.647.0797 >>> ____________________________________ >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... >> ____________________________________ >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... > -- > Kevin Dwyer > 801.647.0797 > ____________________________________ > The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or...
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Sanitizing:
Watered-down bleach won't work well on surfaces that have a lot of oils on them when the concentrate of bleach is low; therefore you might try a higher concentrate for grips and tape, and a lower concentrate for saddles.
Acetone, commonly available as nail polish remover, or as "paint thinner" in hardware stores, also has antiviral properties:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0166354205000707 https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/0022-1317-3...
Be aware that not all paint thinner is made from acetone, hence the quotes.
Denatured alcohol available at the hardware store should also have antiviral and antibacterial properties.
All of these chemicals are highly irritating to the skin and subsequently anyone using them should wear nitrile gloves with at least 5 mil thickness, as latex or vinyl are not all that resistant chemically and thinner mils (3 and below are more common) might break down more quickly. If using denatured hardware store alcohol, be especially careful as it often (but not always) contains methyl alcohol (as opposed to isopropyl or benzyl alcohol) which is poisonous and can enter the body via contact with skin.
As for minimizing contact on shared surfaces, at RIBs we are not allowing any "unclean" hands or gloves to come in contact with any item in the shop. If someone so much as scratches their head, with either their bare hand or their glove, they have to go wash their hands or gloves, or change gloves, before touching anything in the shop again. Ideally, they do not even touch their own clothing and afterward touch an item in the shop.
These extreme measures are considered necessary because it is literally impossible to sanitize several hundred filthy tools that are battered, gouged, and decades-old, so instead we are preventing them from getting infected in the first place. Additionally, it is assumed that there might very well be pathogens on the tools anyway, so people wash again after leaving. The idea is don't touch your body at all after washing your hands while in the shop space.
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 03:56, Andrew Shaw-Kitch wrote:
Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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Forgot to add about acetone:
It will dissolve some plastics, likely even more than denatured alcohol, so be careful. It will mix with with water, so it can be diluted. I do not know whether dilution will affect it's antimicrobial properties, however.
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 05:41, Cyclista Nicholas wrote:
Sanitizing:
Watered-down bleach won't work well on surfaces that have a lot of oils on them when the concentrate of bleach is low; therefore you might try a higher concentrate for grips and tape, and a lower concentrate for saddles.
Acetone, commonly available as nail polish remover, or as "paint thinner" in hardware stores, also has antiviral properties:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0166354205000707 https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/0022-1317-3...
Be aware that not all paint thinner is made from acetone, hence the quotes.
Denatured alcohol available at the hardware store should also have antiviral and antibacterial properties.
All of these chemicals are highly irritating to the skin and subsequently anyone using them should wear nitrile gloves with at least 5 mil thickness, as latex or vinyl are not all that resistant chemically and thinner mils (3 and below are more common) might break down more quickly. If using denatured hardware store alcohol, be especially careful as it often (but not always) contains methyl alcohol (as opposed to isopropyl or benzyl alcohol) which is poisonous and can enter the body via contact with skin.
As for minimizing contact on shared surfaces, at RIBs we are not allowing any "unclean" hands or gloves to come in contact with any item in the shop. If someone so much as scratches their head, with either their bare hand or their glove, they have to go wash their hands or gloves, or change gloves, before touching anything in the shop again. Ideally, they do not even touch their own clothing and afterward touch an item in the shop.
These extreme measures are considered necessary because it is literally impossible to sanitize several hundred filthy tools that are battered, gouged, and decades-old, so instead we are preventing them from getting infected in the first place. Additionally, it is assumed that there might very well be pathogens on the tools anyway, so people wash again after leaving. The idea is don't touch your body at all after washing your hands while in the shop space.
~cyclista Nicholas
On 2020-03-21 03:56, Andrew Shaw-Kitch wrote:
Thanks for the lively conversation on how to ride the line between serving our community and doing our part not to spread covid-19. This is an unprecedented situation from all angles, so it's nice to have this group of like-minded folks from all over looking at things from this one.
Here at Bikes for Humanity PDX we have postponed all classes, in-person programs, and open hours. We are doing bike adoptions on an appointment basis: (1) bikes are posted online for folks to browse, folks referred to us from partner organizations describe what they are looking for (2) a time is set 30 mins+ away from another appointment, and the adopter is asked if they'll need helmet, light, and/or lock. (3) We meet in the parking lot behind our space with a couple bike options, and any other items they might need. We feel this is a satisfactory means toward meeting the needs of people trying to access bikes as either a diversion or way to get to work, as well as our own needs of revenue and the fulfillment of our mission.
Does anyone have insight on how to maximize social distancing and minimize shared contact of surfaces? I am also interested from a mechanical perspective, what the effect of watered down bleach is on grips, saddles, bar wrap. Since we only have so much rubbing alcohol, and it won't be easier to acquire anytime soon, we are looking for a way to ensure contact points are sterilized going forward. Spray bleach-water on grips and wipe with rag designated as the touch-points sanitizing rag?
And since rubbing alcohol is now prioritized for non-bike purposes, what is another means of cleaning bearing systems, rims and disc rotors? I will be taking the crisis/opportunity ("crisitunity" in the phrasing of Homer Simpson) of having the doors closed to catch up refurbishment of the 100 bikes in our basement...
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Andrew Shaw-Kitch -
claire grover -
Cyclista Nicholas -
Emily Summerhays -
General Manager -
Kevin Dwyer