Bici Centro in Santa Barbara, CA https://www.facebook.com/SBBIKE.BiciCentro

There are many of them in France: http://antalie.fr/itineraire

Thanks,

please add the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, AL

https://www.facebook.com/deltabikeproject

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Rick Nonnekes rnonnekes@gmail.com wrote:

Please add Cycle Transitions - http://www.cycletransitions.org Cobourg, Ontario, Canada

thanks, Rick Nonnekes, manager

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

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Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

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The Rockville Bike Hub is the newest of the community shops in the DC metro area. I thought I saw Phoenix Bikes on the list, but in addition to us and Phoenix, there's also The Bike House, Gearin' Up, Velocity Bike Coop and Mt. Rainier Bike Co-op.

Steve Andruski

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On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:12 PM, John Potter < ceterisparibus@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

One more - St. Petersburg Bike Co-op (St. Pete, Florida)

https://www.facebook.com/StPeteBikeCoOp

Thank you!

John

On May 20, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Jeff DeQuattro jeffdequattro@gmail.com wrote:

please add the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, AL

https://www.facebook.com/deltabikeproject

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Rick Nonnekes rnonnekes@gmail.com wrote:

...

Please add Cycle Transitions - http://www.cycletransitions.org Cobourg, Ontario, Canada

thanks, Rick Nonnekes, manager

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

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Please add https://www.facebook.com/columbusbicyclecoop

Marissa Pherson

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Drew Kalbach drew@newlifecommunity.us wrote:

Please add LifeCycle of Carlisle, PA - http://www.facebook.com/lifecyclecarlisle. Thank you!!!

Blessings,

*Drew Kalbach* *New Life Community Church | LIFECYCLE* 42 W. High St., Carlisle, PA 17013 717-240-0060 www.newlifecommunity.us

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Rick Nonnekes rnonnekes@gmail.com wrote:

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Please add Cycle Transitions - http://www.cycletransitions.org Cobourg, Ontario, Canada

thanks, Rick Nonnekes, manager

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

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What non profit charges high prices to "raise the perceived value of bikes"? Our prices at Working Bikes are set to not have our work resold by for-profit individuals at the swap meet or craig's list. I may have a bias but I think that a 'community bike shop' and a 'cooperative bike shop' are different things. One of these titles explains a structure and the other suggests an open door or policy of community engagement.

It's your list and these are just my thoughts, but I was a little surprised to see for profit shops in chicago (uptown) on the list and non-profits (WB and Blackstone) not.

-Paul

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Eric Honour eric.honour@gmail.com wrote:

Might be worth including them under a separate heading. On May 21, 2015 1:01 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Here is a searchable document https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing if you want to check for your shop.

NOTE: So far THE LIST https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.

What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

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Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

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Well I don't know if we qualify lol but if it's ok, Falls City Community Bikeworks would like to be added https://www.facebook.com/FCCBikeworks

Isabella Christensen & John Krueger (FCCBikeWorks) 502-558-3157 / 859-221-5329 www.fccbikeworks.org www.facebook.com/FCCBikeworks www.bicyclingforlouisville.org/#fccb

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Jeff DeQuattro jeffdequattro@gmail.com wrote:

I agree with Paul. And I think it's a very fine line that is being drawn here. My shop in Mobile, AL (Delta Bike Project) was not added to list after I requested it presumably because we sell used bikes? We sell used bikes below the blue book value - yes. And those proceeds pay our extremely high rent and overhead. We might sell 6 bikes a month on a good month. We have no employees, only volunteers. AND we are completely DIY - and not a repair shop at all. We are a federally recognized 501(c)3 charitable organization. In the past 19 months we've put over 250 bikes into our small community and into the hands of the poor or homeless who have had to earn them through our Time is Money Program in which they pick up litter around the city, or mow the lawns on our property or adjacent properties, or help part out bikes and help around the shop for a certain number of hours until they earn a bike (aka: improving the quality of life). They also are taught how to repair the bikes they earn and many have become so skilled that they are now teaching others how to do the same. We have mechanics now that help us out through volunteering that are there every time we are open and they live in tents in the woods. Several of our Time is Money participants have been able to keep a job because they could get to work on the bike they earned from us. These are measurable impacts on the community.

So if the purpose of the list is to have a database of strictly cooperatives that have a membership aspect that's fine, but I think you miss out on an entire class of shops that might not fit the mold of a cooperative. We started as a cooperative, but it didn't work on the Gulf Coast of Alabama. It just doesn't. The concept is not something that works here as evidenced by the almost complete lack of cooperatives (besides a few art co-ops). It doesn't mean that we don't do good, or as much good, in the community as a cooperative. In fact, we've won community awards and innovation awards and we are not the voice of a large sector of the people in bikes in our community. Our brand has been so effective at helping those in need in the community that we've started a spinoff that helps with healthcare and spay/neuter services for the poor and homeless that cannot afford to property care for their pets (Delta Dogs). I understand the anti-capitalistic angle, but I think that your notion misses a whole realm of shops that do a lot of good in their communities.I would suggest that all community bikes shops be added, but in an adjacent column noting the classification of that particular shop might give you a better idea of what's out there. My thoughts.

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Paul Fitzgerald paul@workingbikes.org wrote:

...

What non profit charges high prices to "raise the perceived value of bikes"? Our prices at Working Bikes are set to not have our work resold by for-profit individuals at the swap meet or craig's list. I may have a bias but I think that a 'community bike shop' and a 'cooperative bike shop' are different things. One of these titles explains a structure and the other suggests an open door or policy of community engagement.

It's your list and these are just my thoughts, but I was a little surprised to see for profit shops in chicago (uptown) on the list and non-profits (WB and Blackstone) not.

-Paul

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Eric Honour eric.honour@gmail.com wrote:

...

Might be worth including them under a separate heading. On May 21, 2015 1:01 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Here is a searchable document https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing if you want to check for your shop.

NOTE: So far THE LIST https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.

What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

Please let me know if I need to add other shops.

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Joshua-

Hold your line.

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, momoko saunders analyst@bikefarm.org wrote:

Please add Bike Farm to the list.

Not sure if it was left out for a reason. I'd love to know if there was one.

thanks for putting this together! -momoko

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Jeff DeQuattro jeffdequattro@gmail.com wrote:

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I agree with Paul. And I think it's a very fine line that is being drawn here. My shop in Mobile, AL (Delta Bike Project) was not added to list after I requested it presumably because we sell used bikes? We sell used bikes below the blue book value - yes. And those proceeds pay our extremely high rent and overhead. We might sell 6 bikes a month on a good month. We have no employees, only volunteers. AND we are completely DIY - and not a repair shop at all. We are a federally recognized 501(c)3 charitable organization. In the past 19 months we've put over 250 bikes into our small community and into the hands of the poor or homeless who have had to earn them through our Time is Money Program in which they pick up litter around the city, or mow the lawns on our property or adjacent properties, or help part out bikes and help around the shop for a certain number of hours until they earn a bike (aka: improving the quality of life). They also are taught how to repair the bikes they earn and many have become so skilled that they are now teaching others how to do the same. We have mechanics now that help us out through volunteering that are there every time we are open and they live in tents in the woods. Several of our Time is Money participants have been able to keep a job because they could get to work on the bike they earned from us. These are measurable impacts on the community.

So if the purpose of the list is to have a database of strictly cooperatives that have a membership aspect that's fine, but I think you miss out on an entire class of shops that might not fit the mold of a cooperative. We started as a cooperative, but it didn't work on the Gulf Coast of Alabama. It just doesn't. The concept is not something that works here as evidenced by the almost complete lack of cooperatives (besides a few art co-ops). It doesn't mean that we don't do good, or as much good, in the community as a cooperative. In fact, we've won community awards and innovation awards and we are not the voice of a large sector of the people in bikes in our community. Our brand has been so effective at helping those in need in the community that we've started a spinoff that helps with healthcare and spay/neuter services for the poor and homeless that cannot afford to property care for their pets (Delta Dogs). I understand the anti-capitalistic angle, but I think that your notion misses a whole realm of shops that do a lot of good in their communities.I would suggest that all community bikes shops be added, but in an adjacent column noting the classification of that particular shop might give you a better idea of what's out there. My thoughts.

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Paul Fitzgerald paul@workingbikes.org wrote:

...

What non profit charges high prices to "raise the perceived value of bikes"? Our prices at Working Bikes are set to not have our work resold by for-profit individuals at the swap meet or craig's list. I may have a bias but I think that a 'community bike shop' and a 'cooperative bike shop' are different things. One of these titles explains a structure and the other suggests an open door or policy of community engagement.

It's your list and these are just my thoughts, but I was a little surprised to see for profit shops in chicago (uptown) on the list and non-profits (WB and Blackstone) not.

-Paul

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Eric Honour eric.honour@gmail.com wrote:

...

Might be worth including them under a separate heading. On May 21, 2015 1:01 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Here is a searchable document https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing if you want to check for your shop.

NOTE: So far THE LIST https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.

What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

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Cyclist and individual chiming in here as I sometimes do when controversy strikes: On the matter of "The List" (1) Its your FB page so you are entitled to do as you please within FB rules and regulations. (2) All though you have made a variety of statements as to why you are excluding some, and including others, you have failed to make a case for the outcomes you claim you are targeting:

"I'm interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious."

In reality even some for profit shops can be shown to work toward these outcomes. You offer no evidence that "COOPs" have a corner on these outcomes.

Rather you are sighting a particular legal entity and business model as producing outcomes exclusively with no evidence to show it. At the same time you are indicating that other legal entities and business models do not produce the stated outcomes you desire, again, without evidence.

I'd happily produce the evidence if needed, but I think the authors of this and many other comments are producing more evidence than I could ever gather in a short time. While mission has a reflection on profitability, it is not the sole component and therefore will not cause one over the other in any instance.

Selection of legal structure in a business is as much about liability as it is about responsibility and far more than profitability.

Doing good, teaching, and creating social transformation is as much about attitude as anything. I would suggest your list be revamped to include all aspects of not for profit bicycle organizations and in some exceptional instances, you might want to include some of the for profits as well for their innovation and support within and beyond the community.

You could easily diversify your FB page or other "guides" based on their structure and presentation. This way you could provide CO-Ops, other not for profits and even worthy for Profits with a mention of their programing or other progressive or advocacy actions.

Doing this would be a win-win situation.

Thank you for your consideration,

Matt Matthew Fenichel

-----Original Message----- From: Jeff DeQuattro jeffdequattro@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Thu, May 21, 2015 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] THE LIST

I agree with Paul. And I think it's a very fine line that is being drawn here. My shop in Mobile, AL (Delta Bike Project) was not added to list after I requested it presumably because we sell used bikes? We sell used bikes below the blue book value - yes. And those proceeds pay our extremely high rent and overhead. We might sell 6 bikes a month on a good month. We have no employees, only volunteers. AND we are completely DIY - and not a repair shop at all. We are a federally recognized 501(c)3 charitable organization. In the past 19 months we've put over 250 bikes into our small community and into the hands of the poor or homeless who have had to earn them through our Time is Money Program in which they pick up litter around the city, or mow the lawns on our property or adjacent properties, or help part out bikes and help around the shop for a certain number of hours until they earn a bike (aka: improving the quality of life). They also are taught how to repair the bikes they earn and many have become so skilled that they are now teaching others how to do the same. We have mechanics now that help us out through volunteering that are there every time we are open and they live in tents in the woods. Several of our Time is Money participants have been able to keep a job because they could get to work on the bike they earned from us. These are measurable impacts on the community.

So if the purpose of the list is to have a database of strictly cooperatives that have a membership aspect that's fine, but I think you miss out on an entire class of shops that might not fit the mold of a cooperative. We started as a cooperative, but it didn't work on the Gulf Coast of Alabama. It just doesn't. The concept is not something that works here as evidenced by the almost complete lack of cooperatives (besides a few art co-ops). It doesn't mean that we don't do good, or as much good, in the community as a cooperative. In fact, we've won community awards and innovation awards and we are not the voice of a large sector of the people in bikes in our community. Our brand has been so effective at helping those in need in the community that we've started a spinoff that helps with healthcare and spay/neuter services for the poor and homeless that cannot afford to property care for their pets (Delta Dogs). I understand the anti-capitalistic angle, but I think that your notion misses a whole realm of shops that do a lot of good in their communities.I would suggest that all community bikes shops be added, but in an adjacent column noting the classification of that particular shop might give you a better idea of what's out there. My thoughts.

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Paul Fitzgerald paul@workingbikes.org wrote:

What non profit charges high prices to "raise the perceived value of bikes"? Our prices at Working Bikes are set to not have our work resold by for-profit individuals at the swap meet or craig's list. I may have a bias but I think that a 'community bike shop' and a 'cooperative bike shop' are different things. One of these titles explains a structure and the other suggests an open door or policy of community engagement.

It's your list and these are just my thoughts, but I was a little surprised to see for profit shops in chicago (uptown) on the list and non-profits (WB and Blackstone) not.

-Paul

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Eric Honour eric.honour@gmail.com wrote:

Might be worth including them under a separate heading.

On May 21, 2015 1:01 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" < joshuahof@gmail.com> wrote:

        Here is a searchable document if you want to check for your shop.             

NOTE: So far THE LIST only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.

What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

           Hello,                

           I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).               

           https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812               

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Hi Joshua,

Both of the bike collectives I have volunteered at are consensus-based organizations. The Davis Bike Collective spent a year putting together its by-laws and running them past a lawyer to ensure that the board had no formal decision-making power, but was instead beholden to the decisions made by the core volunteers. I believe the legal definition of a co-op has to do with purchasing power, where as a collective we didn't have to have that orientation and could instead focus on our priority, which was helping people learn how to fix bikes. Food co-ops are usually co-ops because they are about *buying* food. So I'm not sure that a co-op is actually less capitalist, and given what I hear you saying you value, I would be also asking how the various organizations are making their decisions. Also, have you checked the wiki page of community bicycle organizations? It has a long-standing list including the criteria that I believe more or less helps guide who might be interested in participating in, say, this list.

The more lists the better! I look forward to thr day when there are so many lists of community bike organizations that you need lists of lists to keep track of them! Thanks for creating one such list!

Angel York On May 21, 2015 1:17 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to Eric, Paul, Jeff, Kevin, and Matt for taking the time to engage. Also thanks to everyone who shared new shops to add. I'll get on it (that includes you Jeff). It turns out I was only subscribed to the "list" email that arrives once a week so I missed a few of your replies.

The line is fine but its clear. I agree that cooperatives and community shops are often different. I also agree that for-profit shops can engage in so called "non-market" activities. My main criteria is DIY (free/barter/cheap). If there is a second criteria it's a *free* EAB program. My not-completely-arbitrary preferences in descending order are cooperatives > community shops > service-oriented for-profit. That logic is based on my assumption that orgs designed with cooperative structures will find engaging in non-market behaviors easier. When we share the risk/rewards of acting there is less incentive to shirk, pass important ethical decisions "up the ladder", or use the "bottom line" as an excuse. Yes, cooperative work can be messy and slow, but it can also liberate. For many people their experience with a cooperative bike shop is the first time in their lives when their voice mattered.

My reason for creating the list was to get new ideas for how people doing community bike work engage with their communities. Shops that focus on sales, or who use sales as their measure of success are going to engage in a different manner that is less interesting to my aims. We can start another thread on cooperatives if anyone wants. ;) If anyone wants to learn more about worker directed non-profits there is a webinar next week. http://www.theselc.org/worker_self_directed_nonprofits_20150526

PLEASE NOTE: I'm getting most of my information by snooping through websites and facebook pages. If I missed a shop or if I misunderstood what a shops/orgs mission please correct me. I think Eric pointed out that Uptown Bikes is for-profit (WB and Blackstone are both on the list). You can leave a comment on this google.doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing .

• Joshua

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Here is a searchable document https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing if you want to check for your shop.

NOTE: So far THE LIST https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.

What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

Please let me know if I need to add other shops.

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I think one is going to be able to find non-profit organizations that choose to explore ways of distributing decision-making power and collectives & cooperatives that do not, and that it may not necessarily always be obvious which is which.

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

Angel, et al.,

I appreciate the distinction you make between *co-ops* and *collectives.* It sounds like your shop is innovating with the power relationships that surround decision making. I'm excited to see how you grow.

It's my understanding that capitalism is a firstly a description of our social relationships, and secondly our economic system. Because it's not just our economy but society itself that is capitalistic (in reality the two are the same) living a true alternative is actually impossible. We can aspire to take anti-capitalist actions by experimenting with new non-hierarchical systems for the production/distribution of goods and services. I'm interested in exploring those alternatives.

To be clear, I don't think that hierarchical power structures are very innovative. Which is why I'm less interested in traditional non-profits and more interested in collectives and co-ops that may use a 501c status to explore what's possible. As long as co-op are exploring ways of distributing decision making power than I think they qualify for my purposes. What do you think?

What I want to avoid supporting are people using a 501c status to "recycle" bikes for a personal profit (an astonishing number of people) I'm also wary of the religious non-profits using bikes as an evangelical tool (also a surprisingly large number).

All that said, THE LIST is getting a lot of request from charities and educational non-profits. It's difficult for me to know who is actually innovating with social relationships and who is just filling a local material need. Both are important. Suggestions?

The votes so far: Include ALL 501c bike related orgs - 6 Include only collectives, etc - 2

• Joshua

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Angel York aniola@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi Joshua,

Both of the bike collectives I have volunteered at are consensus-based organizations. The Davis Bike Collective spent a year putting together its by-laws and running them past a lawyer to ensure that the board had no formal decision-making power, but was instead beholden to the decisions made by the core volunteers. I believe the legal definition of a co-op has to do with purchasing power, where as a collective we didn't have to have that orientation and could instead focus on our priority, which was helping people learn how to fix bikes. Food co-ops are usually co-ops because they are about *buying* food. So I'm not sure that a co-op is actually less capitalist, and given what I hear you saying you value, I would be also asking how the various organizations are making their decisions. Also, have you checked the wiki page of community bicycle organizations? It has a long-standing list including the criteria that I believe more or less helps guide who might be interested in participating in, say, this list.

The more lists the better! I look forward to thr day when there are so many lists of community bike organizations that you need lists of lists to keep track of them! Thanks for creating one such list!

Angel York On May 21, 2015 1:17 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Thanks to Eric, Paul, Jeff, Kevin, and Matt for taking the time to engage. Also thanks to everyone who shared new shops to add. I'll get on it (that includes you Jeff). It turns out I was only subscribed to the "list" email that arrives once a week so I missed a few of your replies.

The line is fine but its clear. I agree that cooperatives and community shops are often different. I also agree that for-profit shops can engage in so called "non-market" activities. My main criteria is DIY (free/barter/cheap). If there is a second criteria it's a *free* EAB program. My not-completely-arbitrary preferences in descending order are cooperatives > community shops > service-oriented for-profit. That logic is based on my assumption that orgs designed with cooperative structures will find engaging in non-market behaviors easier. When we share the risk/rewards of acting there is less incentive to shirk, pass important ethical decisions "up the ladder", or use the "bottom line" as an excuse. Yes, cooperative work can be messy and slow, but it can also liberate. For many people their experience with a cooperative bike shop is the first time in their lives when their voice mattered.

My reason for creating the list was to get new ideas for how people doing community bike work engage with their communities. Shops that focus on sales, or who use sales as their measure of success are going to engage in a different manner that is less interesting to my aims. We can start another thread on cooperatives if anyone wants. ;) If anyone wants to learn more about worker directed non-profits there is a webinar next week. http://www.theselc.org/worker_self_directed_nonprofits_20150526

PLEASE NOTE: I'm getting most of my information by snooping through websites and facebook pages. If I missed a shop or if I misunderstood what a shops/orgs mission please correct me. I think Eric pointed out that Uptown Bikes is for-profit (WB and Blackstone are both on the list). You can leave a comment on this google.doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing .

• Joshua

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Here is a searchable document https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing if you want to check for your shop.

NOTE: So far THE LIST https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.

What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

Please let me know if I need to add other shops.

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*What I want to avoid supporting are people using a 501c status to "recycle" bikes for a personal profit (an astonishing number of people) I'm also wary of the religious non-profits using bikes as an evangelical tool (also a surprisingly large number).* I haven't encountered these. Could you provide examples? While you can work for a 501c, the IRS has the following to say: The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Inurement-Private-Benefit-Charitable-Organizations, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Intermediate-Sanctions-Excess-Benefit-Transactions with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Intermediate-Sanctions may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction. http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exem...

I'm aware of Bike Churches (the original one started on Church Street), but not of religious organizations using bikes as an evangelical tool. Except maybe to evangelize about bikes and biking?

*All that said, THE LIST is getting a lot of request from charities and educational non-profits. It's difficult for me to know who is actually innovating with social relationships and who is just filling a local material need. Both are important. Suggestions? *

If they are both important, then I would list anyone who asks. I would expect that people are mostly going to be looking at your list to figure out who their local bike-related organizations are.

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Angel York aniola@gmail.com wrote:

*As long as co-op are exploring ways of distributing decision making power than I think they qualify for my purposes.* For instance, I can think of a food *co-op* that is run by a board of directors, and a has a *standard hierarchical management structure*. The owners (many of the shoppers) in theory can vote on big decisions, but if the food co-op already has an outcome in mind, that is absolutely going to skew the vote.

My current food* co-op *is run by a board of directors, and has a* collective management structure. * The owners (many of the shoppers) in theory can vote on big decisions.

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Angel York aniola@gmail.com wrote:

...

I think one is going to be able to find non-profit organizations that choose to explore ways of distributing decision-making power and collectives & cooperatives that do not, and that it may not necessarily always be obvious which is which.

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Angel, et al.,

I appreciate the distinction you make between *co-ops* and *collectives.* It sounds like your shop is innovating with the power relationships that surround decision making. I'm excited to see how you grow.

It's my understanding that capitalism is a firstly a description of our social relationships, and secondly our economic system. Because it's not just our economy but society itself that is capitalistic (in reality the two are the same) living a true alternative is actually impossible. We can aspire to take anti-capitalist actions by experimenting with new non-hierarchical systems for the production/distribution of goods and services. I'm interested in exploring those alternatives.

To be clear, I don't think that hierarchical power structures are very innovative. Which is why I'm less interested in traditional non-profits and more interested in collectives and co-ops that may use a 501c status to explore what's possible. As long as co-op are exploring ways of distributing decision making power than I think they qualify for my purposes. What do you think?

What I want to avoid supporting are people using a 501c status to "recycle" bikes for a personal profit (an astonishing number of people) I'm also wary of the religious non-profits using bikes as an evangelical tool (also a surprisingly large number).

All that said, THE LIST is getting a lot of request from charities and educational non-profits. It's difficult for me to know who is actually innovating with social relationships and who is just filling a local material need. Both are important. Suggestions?

The votes so far: Include ALL 501c bike related orgs - 6 Include only collectives, etc - 2

• Joshua

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Angel York aniola@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi Joshua,

Both of the bike collectives I have volunteered at are consensus-based organizations. The Davis Bike Collective spent a year putting together its by-laws and running them past a lawyer to ensure that the board had no formal decision-making power, but was instead beholden to the decisions made by the core volunteers. I believe the legal definition of a co-op has to do with purchasing power, where as a collective we didn't have to have that orientation and could instead focus on our priority, which was helping people learn how to fix bikes. Food co-ops are usually co-ops because they are about *buying* food. So I'm not sure that a co-op is actually less capitalist, and given what I hear you saying you value, I would be also asking how the various organizations are making their decisions. Also, have you checked the wiki page of community bicycle organizations? It has a long-standing list including the criteria that I believe more or less helps guide who might be interested in participating in, say, this list.

The more lists the better! I look forward to thr day when there are so many lists of community bike organizations that you need lists of lists to keep track of them! Thanks for creating one such list!

Angel York On May 21, 2015 1:17 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Thanks to Eric, Paul, Jeff, Kevin, and Matt for taking the time to engage. Also thanks to everyone who shared new shops to add. I'll get on it (that includes you Jeff). It turns out I was only subscribed to the "list" email that arrives once a week so I missed a few of your replies.

The line is fine but its clear. I agree that cooperatives and community shops are often different. I also agree that for-profit shops can engage in so called "non-market" activities. My main criteria is DIY (free/barter/cheap). If there is a second criteria it's a *free* EAB program. My not-completely-arbitrary preferences in descending order are cooperatives > community shops > service-oriented for-profit. That logic is based on my assumption that orgs designed with cooperative structures will find engaging in non-market behaviors easier. When we share the risk/rewards of acting there is less incentive to shirk, pass important ethical decisions "up the ladder", or use the "bottom line" as an excuse. Yes, cooperative work can be messy and slow, but it can also liberate. For many people their experience with a cooperative bike shop is the first time in their lives when their voice mattered.

My reason for creating the list was to get new ideas for how people doing community bike work engage with their communities. Shops that focus on sales, or who use sales as their measure of success are going to engage in a different manner that is less interesting to my aims. We can start another thread on cooperatives if anyone wants. ;) If anyone wants to learn more about worker directed non-profits there is a webinar next week. http://www.theselc.org/worker_self_directed_nonprofits_20150526

PLEASE NOTE: I'm getting most of my information by snooping through websites and facebook pages. If I missed a shop or if I misunderstood what a shops/orgs mission please correct me. I think Eric pointed out that Uptown Bikes is for-profit (WB and Blackstone are both on the list). You can leave a comment on this google.doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing .

• Joshua

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Here is a searchable document https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing if you want to check for your shop.

NOTE: So far THE LIST https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 only includes shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some DIY elements. I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm interested in how bikes build community and engage people in acts of cooperation and self-determination. There are many "non-profit" shops that sell used bikes for high prices because they believe it will "raise the perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach except that I'm not interested in money or perceived value. I'm interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious.

What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, > > I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops > who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is > constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job > opportunities as well). > > https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 > > Please let me know if I need to add other shops. > > >

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HI Joshua,

if you want to list the french diy bike collectives you should ask it on the french mailing list: here => https://www.heureux-cyclage.org/spip.php?page=listes_de_diffusion

I guess you won't be blamed if you ask in english

in the meantime you can add us:

Les Bikers https://www.facebook.com/bikersinsa?fref=ts

bye,

Roman

2015-05-27 4:44 GMT+08:00 La Bikery labikery@gmail.com:

La Bikery in Moncton NB Canada isn't on the list yet that I know of!

Thanks :)

*Coopérative La Bikery Co-operative* *Centre de vélo communautaire * *Community Bicycle Centre*

*120 boul. Assomption blvd,*

• Moncton NB*

*Jeudis: 17 h à 20 h *

• Thursdays: 5 pm - 8 pm*

*Samedis: 11 h à 14 h*

•    Saturdays: 11 pm - 2 pm*
  
  
  
  

http://labikery.ca/

https://www.facebook.com/LaBikery https://twitter.com/LaBikery

*CHECK US OUT BY CLICKING ON THE LINKS ABOVE*

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Angel York aniola@gmail.com wrote:

...

*What I want to avoid supporting are people using a 501c status to "recycle" bikes for a personal profit (an astonishing number of people) I'm also wary of the religious non-profits using bikes as an evangelical tool (also a surprisingly large number).* I haven't encountered these. Could you provide examples? While you can work for a 501c, the IRS has the following to say: The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Inurement-Private-Benefit-Charitable-Organizations, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Intermediate-Sanctions-Excess-Benefit-Transactions with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Intermediate-Sanctions may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.

http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exem...

I'm aware of Bike Churches (the original one started on Church Street), but not of religious organizations using bikes as an evangelical tool. Except maybe to evangelize about bikes and biking?

*All that said, THE LIST is getting a lot of request from charities and educational non-profits. It's difficult for me to know who is actually innovating with social relationships and who is just filling a local material need. Both are important. Suggestions? *

If they are both important, then I would list anyone who asks. I would expect that people are mostly going to be looking at your list to figure out who their local bike-related organizations are.

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Angel York aniola@gmail.com wrote:

...

*As long as co-op are exploring ways of distributing decision making power than I think they qualify for my purposes.* For instance, I can think of a food *co-op* that is run by a board of directors, and a has a *standard hierarchical management structure*. The owners (many of the shoppers) in theory can vote on big decisions, but if the food co-op already has an outcome in mind, that is absolutely going to skew the vote.

My current food* co-op *is run by a board of directors, and has a* collective management structure. * The owners (many of the shoppers) in theory can vote on big decisions.

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Angel York aniola@gmail.com wrote:

...

I think one is going to be able to find non-profit organizations that choose to explore ways of distributing decision-making power and collectives & cooperatives that do not, and that it may not necessarily always be obvious which is which.

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Joshua Hoffman joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

...

Angel, et al.,

I appreciate the distinction you make between *co-ops* and *collectives.* It sounds like your shop is innovating with the power relationships that surround decision making. I'm excited to see how you grow.

It's my understanding that capitalism is a firstly a description of our social relationships, and secondly our economic system. Because it's not just our economy but society itself that is capitalistic (in reality the two are the same) living a true alternative is actually impossible. We can aspire to take anti-capitalist actions by experimenting with new non-hierarchical systems for the production/distribution of goods and services. I'm interested in exploring those alternatives.

To be clear, I don't think that hierarchical power structures are very innovative. Which is why I'm less interested in traditional non-profits and more interested in collectives and co-ops that may use a 501c status to explore what's possible. As long as co-op are exploring ways of distributing decision making power than I think they qualify for my purposes. What do you think?

What I want to avoid supporting are people using a 501c status to "recycle" bikes for a personal profit (an astonishing number of people) I'm also wary of the religious non-profits using bikes as an evangelical tool (also a surprisingly large number).

All that said, THE LIST is getting a lot of request from charities and educational non-profits. It's difficult for me to know who is actually innovating with social relationships and who is just filling a local material need. Both are important. Suggestions?

The votes so far: Include ALL 501c bike related orgs - 6 Include only collectives, etc - 2

• Joshua

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Angel York aniola@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi Joshua,

Both of the bike collectives I have volunteered at are consensus-based organizations. The Davis Bike Collective spent a year putting together its by-laws and running them past a lawyer to ensure that the board had no formal decision-making power, but was instead beholden to the decisions made by the core volunteers. I believe the legal definition of a co-op has to do with purchasing power, where as a collective we didn't have to have that orientation and could instead focus on our priority, which was helping people learn how to fix bikes. Food co-ops are usually co-ops because they are about *buying* food. So I'm not sure that a co-op is actually less capitalist, and given what I hear you saying you value, I would be also asking how the various organizations are making their decisions. Also, have you checked the wiki page of community bicycle organizations? It has a long-standing list including the criteria that I believe more or less helps guide who might be interested in participating in, say, this list.

The more lists the better! I look forward to thr day when there are so many lists of community bike organizations that you need lists of lists to keep track of them! Thanks for creating one such list!

Angel York On May 21, 2015 1:17 PM, "Joshua Hoffman" joshuahof@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to Eric, Paul, Jeff, Kevin, and Matt for taking the time to > engage. Also thanks to everyone who shared new shops to add. I'll get on it > (that includes you Jeff). It turns out I was only subscribed to the "list" > email that arrives once a week so I missed a few of your replies. > > The line is fine but its clear. I agree that cooperatives and > community shops are often different. I also agree that for-profit shops can > engage in so called "non-market" activities. My main criteria is DIY > (free/barter/cheap). If there is a second criteria it's a *free* > EAB program. My not-completely-arbitrary preferences in descending order > are cooperatives > community shops > service-oriented for-profit. That > logic is based on my assumption that orgs designed with cooperative > structures will find engaging in non-market behaviors easier. When we share > the risk/rewards of acting there is less incentive to shirk, pass important > ethical decisions "up the ladder", or use the "bottom line" as an excuse. > Yes, cooperative work can be messy and slow, but it can also liberate. For > many people their experience with a cooperative bike shop is the first time > in their lives when their voice mattered. > > My reason for creating the list was to get new ideas for how people > doing community bike work engage with their communities. Shops that > focus on sales, or who use sales as their measure of success are going to > engage in a different manner that is less interesting to my aims. We > can start another thread on cooperatives if anyone wants. ;) If > anyone wants to learn more about worker directed non-profits there is a > webinar next week. > http://www.theselc.org/worker_self_directed_nonprofits_20150526 > > PLEASE NOTE: I'm getting most of my information by snooping through > websites and facebook pages. If I missed a shop or if I misunderstood what > a shops/orgs mission please correct me. I think Eric pointed out that > Uptown Bikes is for-profit (WB and Blackstone are both on the list). You > can leave a comment on this google.doc > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing > . > > - Joshua > > > > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Joshua Hoffman < > joshuahof@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here is a searchable document >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0FOc6ZJA-wYWo4qZ4yx75SBFq53aD8ELY1JGBt6UQY/edit?usp=sharing >> if you want to check for your shop. >> >> NOTE: So far THE LIST >> https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 only includes >> shops that run cooperatively or at very least include some DIY elements. >> I've done this for a specific reason.... I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm >> interested in how bikes build community and engage people in acts of >> cooperation and self-determination. There are many "non-profit" shops that >> sell used bikes for high prices because they believe it will "raise the >> perceived value" of bikes. There is nothing inherently wrong with this >> approach except that I'm not interested in money or perceived value. I'm >> interested in more people learning to do more things for themselves and for >> others. Cooperatives have the potential to lower costs by focusing on >> mission rather than profit. They can also transform the social >> relationships between humans by substituting hierarchy for equality. The >> benefits of encouraging DIY are obvious. >> >> What do you all think? Should I include all "non-profit" bike shop >> regardless of their mission? What are the arguments for/against? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman < >> joshuahof@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops >>> who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is >>> constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job >>> opportunities as well). >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 >>> >>> Please let me know if I need to add other shops. >>> >>> >>> >> > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > <a href=" > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org">Unsubscribe > from this list</a> > > > ____________________________________

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Please add Bike Works

https://www.facebook.com/BikeWorksSeattle

www.bikeworks.org

Deb Salls

Executive Director

Bike Works Program Classrooms and Offices

3715 S. Hudson Ave Suite #111 (Lower level)

Seattle, WA 98118

206-695-2522 Main line

206-695-2607 Direct line

Bike Works Community Bike Shop 3709 S. Ferdinand St. Seattle, WA 98118 206-725-8867

http://www.bikeworks.org/ http://www.bikeworks.org

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"Building sustainable communities by educating youth and promoting bicycling."

From: Thethinktank [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of Ariel C Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 4:03 PM To: The Think Tank Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] THE LIST

Please add Bici Libre from Los Angeles, ca

Www.facebook.com/bicilibre

On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Randi Park rsolomonpark@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Joshua,

Nice page! Please add Happy, Joyous and Freewheeling

https://www.facebook.com/happyjoyousandfreewheeling?ref=hl

Thanks,

Randi

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Joshua Hoffman <joshuahof@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','joshuahof@gmail.com'); > wrote:

Hello,

I've put together a Facebook list of all the community bike shops who's pages I could find. 133 in total from around the world. This list is constantly turning up amazing stories and new insights (lots of job opportunities as well).

https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812 https://www.facebook.com/lists/792013340883812

Please let me know if I need to add other shops.

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