Re: [TheThinkTank] Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?!
Wow y'all. Okay. I have a few thoughts here-- specifically about how this topic is being handled via the medium of the thinktank.
- It's pretty problematic that this conversation is taking place via this
platform instead of these concerns, criticisms, and allegations being taken directly to the hosts at Enclave Caracol-- who are best equipped and most able to address them. They can and should be reached directly at bikebiketijuana2019@gmail.com.
This conversation is not being held in or translated into Spanish.
Anti-oppression values, like those practiced by our hosts at Enclave
Caracol (and currently under discussion), *are an explicit part of BikeBike*. That's what the safer space agreement https://en.bikebike.org/policy/ was designed to help hosts maintain during the event.
- As *guests *at BikeBike, we should do our best to adhere to the values
and practices of the space we are visiting-- the same way we ask visitors to our shops to adhere to our policies. If we are unsure of those practices, we should by on our best behavior, and work to be humble when they are shared with us or if we unknowingly break the rules. Those practices may be different then or at odds with the practices in our own spaces or practices with which we feel comfortable.
- I find it concerning that this story of someone being asked to leave a
workshop or the entire event is being told 2nd or 3rd hand-- and not by the individual asked to leave. That, to me, makes the accounting seem incomplete and I feel skeptical about the motivations of broadcasting it via thinktank-- a list with a basically unknown audience.
Gordon, were you in fact misgendered?
Finally, Equality (giving everyone the same thing) is not the same as
Best, Heather
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gordon Hamachi gordon.hamachi@gmail.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:53:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?! It troubles me that anyone was kicked out of Bike! Bike! I hope that we can get an official explanation from the organizers, explaining their reasoning, because the story as told reveals nothing that would warrant banishment.
I myself have the dubious distinction of being kicked out of one Bike! Bike! 2019 session with the reason given that it was for women only. Evidently this was for cis women only, as nobody bothered to have a conversation with me about my gender identity. I also feel that if women want to improve the world they need to be willing to raise the consciousness of all through education.
Since I am venting, a relatively minor third thing along these lines that bothers me was when I was standing near the front of a newly-opened lunch line, when some woman loudly declared that all of the men were to go to the back. I get that gender discrimination is hurtful to those who may have experienced It, but what sense does it make to impose the same hurt in return, upon different people who are innocent of offense? The men in line obediently went to the back of the line, many with eye rolls, thinking that these women were ill-mannered or unable to fairly queue up and take their turn.
In the future, I would like everyone to treat everyone else with more courtesy and respect, without regard for gender, race, or former occupation.
—Gordon Hamachi
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ainsley Naylor needleandthread@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?! Announcements were made that *food would be served to women, trans, and gender non-binary folks first*, as is the rule for the group who were providing the food during Bike!Bike! 2019. They had forgotten to announce this on the first day of the conference. It would have been helpful if guidelines like these (any specific guidelines related to the spaces we were using in Tijuana) could have been communicated via email, the website, or the B!B! handbook for attendees.
Anyone attending Bike!Bike! should have a fair understanding of anti-oppression and ways that our community works to fight inequality. "Treating everyone the same" is not a way to change our systems of oppression. Creating greater access or exclusive access (like Women & Trans hours at our bike projects) is one step that can be taken to be inclusive and equitable.
There's lots of great writing available online and in your libraries if you are rolling your eyes at offences such as being put at the back of the lunch line while considering yourself to be an ally.
Ainsley (Toronto)
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:54 AM Gordon Hamachi gordon.hamachi@gmail.com wrote:
It troubles me that anyone was kicked out of Bike! Bike! I hope that we can get an official explanation from the organizers, explaining their reasoning, because the story as told reveals nothing that would warrant banishment.
I myself have the dubious distinction of being kicked out of one Bike! Bike! 2019 session with the reason given that it was for women only. Evidently this was for cis women only, as nobody bothered to have a conversation with me about my gender identity. I also feel that if women want to improve the world they need to be willing to raise the consciousness of all through education.
Since I am venting, a relatively minor third thing along these lines that bothers me was when I was standing near the front of a newly-opened lunch line, when some woman loudly declared that all of the men were to go to the back. I get that gender discrimination is hurtful to those who may have experienced It, but what sense does it make to impose the same hurt in return, upon different people who are innocent of offense? The men in line obediently went to the back of the line, many with eye rolls, thinking that these women were ill-mannered or unable to fairly queue up and take their turn.
In the future, I would like everyone to treat everyone else with more courtesy and respect, without regard for gender, race, or former occupation.
—Gordon Hamachi
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Anyone attending Bike!Bike! should have a fair understanding of
anti-oppression and ways that our community works to fight inequality.
But isn't this a poor assumption? I'm sure that many people have had or have a less-than-fair understanding of anti-oppression but still want to attend Bike!Bike! to hopefully improve that understanding (among other things).
Jason
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:58 AM Ainsley Naylor needleandthread@gmail.com wrote:
Announcements were made that *food would be served to women, trans, and gender non-binary folks first*, as is the rule for the group who were providing the food during Bike!Bike! 2019. They had forgotten to announce this on the first day of the conference. It would have been helpful if guidelines like these (any specific guidelines related to the spaces we were using in Tijuana) could have been communicated via email, the website, or the B!B! handbook for attendees.
Anyone attending Bike!Bike! should have a fair understanding of anti-oppression and ways that our community works to fight inequality. "Treating everyone the same" is not a way to change our systems of oppression. Creating greater access or exclusive access (like Women & Trans hours at our bike projects) is one step that can be taken to be inclusive and equitable.
There's lots of great writing available online and in your libraries if you are rolling your eyes at offences such as being put at the back of the lunch line while considering yourself to be an ally.
Ainsley (Toronto)
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:54 AM Gordon Hamachi gordon.hamachi@gmail.com wrote:
It troubles me that anyone was kicked out of Bike! Bike! I hope that we can get an official explanation from the organizers, explaining their reasoning, because the story as told reveals nothing that would warrant banishment.
I myself have the dubious distinction of being kicked out of one Bike! Bike! 2019 session with the reason given that it was for women only. Evidently this was for cis women only, as nobody bothered to have a conversation with me about my gender identity. I also feel that if women want to improve the world they need to be willing to raise the consciousness of all through education.
Since I am venting, a relatively minor third thing along these lines that bothers me was when I was standing near the front of a newly-opened lunch line, when some woman loudly declared that all of the men were to go to the back. I get that gender discrimination is hurtful to those who may have experienced It, but what sense does it make to impose the same hurt in return, upon different people who are innocent of offense? The men in line obediently went to the back of the line, many with eye rolls, thinking that these women were ill-mannered or unable to fairly queue up and take their turn.
In the future, I would like everyone to treat everyone else with more courtesy and respect, without regard for gender, race, or former occupation.
—Gordon Hamachi
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Judith Feist judith.feist@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:38:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?! I don't know what happened with this specific individual to warrent them being asked to leave...but in response to the previous messages...
I must admit...what are your reasons for joining a / volunteering at a bicycle collective if it weren't to help underrepresented and/or oppressed individuals/groups? If your reasons are anything other than that maybe you are there for the wrong reasons...I don't think that is a poor assumption... (I also realize that people volunteer at collectives to learn mechanic skills for themselves so they can work on their own bikes...I don't think those people are attending B!B! and if they are I'd think someone from that collective would explain what this gathering is for/about)?..
I mean if you are attending bike!bike! but you're not looking to learn anything to bring back with you to share with your community there is some wrong- which means you're aware that the point of B!B! is to bring back knowledge to help people within your community back home...
I hope that makes sense...
Pertaining to the "go to the end of the line" -To quote a volunteer whom I was explaining why we were going to be having a monthly night for TFW/lgbtq+ folks and it not being exclusive and I took a deep breathe after he asked "but I just don't understand why I can't be there since they are allowed to come here any time we're open"...oh calm down.
I agree with Ainsley on this matter, --->"Treating everyone the same" is not a way to change our systems of oppression.
Judith
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On Oct 16, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Jason Moore moorepants@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone attending Bike!Bike! should have a fair understanding of
anti-oppression and ways that our community works to fight inequality.
But isn't this a poor assumption? I'm sure that many people have had or have a less-than-fair understanding of anti-oppression but still want to attend Bike!Bike! to hopefully improve that understanding (among other things).
Jason
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:58 AM Ainsley Naylor needleandthread@gmail.com wrote:
Announcements were made that *food would be served to women, trans, and gender non-binary folks first*, as is the rule for the group who were providing the food during Bike!Bike! 2019. They had forgotten to announce this on the first day of the conference. It would have been helpful if guidelines like these (any specific guidelines related to the spaces we were using in Tijuana) could have been communicated via email, the website, or the B!B! handbook for attendees.
Anyone attending Bike!Bike! should have a fair understanding of anti-oppression and ways that our community works to fight inequality. "Treating everyone the same" is not a way to change our systems of oppression. Creating greater access or exclusive access (like Women & Trans hours at our bike projects) is one step that can be taken to be inclusive and equitable.
There's lots of great writing available online and in your libraries if you are rolling your eyes at offences such as being put at the back of the lunch line while considering yourself to be an ally.
Ainsley (Toronto)
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:54 AM Gordon Hamachi gordon.hamachi@gmail.com wrote:
It troubles me that anyone was kicked out of Bike! Bike! I hope that we can get an official explanation from the organizers, explaining their reasoning, because the story as told reveals nothing that would warrant banishment.
I myself have the dubious distinction of being kicked out of one Bike! Bike! 2019 session with the reason given that it was for women only. Evidently this was for cis women only, as nobody bothered to have a conversation with me about my gender identity. I also feel that if women want to improve the world they need to be willing to raise the consciousness of all through education.
Since I am venting, a relatively minor third thing along these lines that bothers me was when I was standing near the front of a newly-opened lunch line, when some woman loudly declared that all of the men were to go to the back. I get that gender discrimination is hurtful to those who may have experienced It, but what sense does it make to impose the same hurt in return, upon different people who are innocent of offense? The men in line obediently went to the back of the line, many with eye rolls, thinking that these women were ill-mannered or unable to fairly queue up and take their turn.
In the future, I would like everyone to treat everyone else with more courtesy and respect, without regard for gender, race, or former occupation.
—Gordon Hamachi
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Audrey Wiedemeier audrey@bikelibrary.org To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:18:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Rad Videos About Your Shop: Who's Got Em? We did a series this year with one of our stellar patrons:
Meet Hai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33XUlu-Yz_A
The Five Quick Releases with Hai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKzDnQXPReo
Bike care and repair stand with Hai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_wWBAIqtc
Peace & grease,
*Audrey Wiedemeier* (She/her/hers) Iowa City Bike Library, Director
700 S. Dubuque St, Iowa City *Hours: *Sat. 10-3, Mon. 5-7, Tues. 6-8, Wed. 6-8, Thurs. 6-8, Fri. 4:30-6:30
BikeLibrary.org C: (515) 450-1651
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:31 AM Luis Fernandez luis@casildo.com wrote:
Here's a promo for the somerville bike kitchen.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:30 AM Cicloficina dos Anjos < anjos@cicloficina.pt> wrote:
We have two videos, one about our WTF session, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28KnyIpvZLA ant the other about the Cicloficina dos Anjos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5lprXFxYdI (Lisbon, PT)
*Cicloficina dos Anjos* Rua Dr. Almeida Amaral 15A, Lisboa anjos@cicloficina.pt www.cicloficina.pt fb.com/cicloficina.anjos http://facebook.com/cicloficina.anjos instagram.com/cicloficina.anjos
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:16 PM Jim Sheehan jim@ohiocitycycles.org wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCApllSMylezGNGMRaGSBLoQ/videos Jim Sheehan Executive Director Ohio City Bicycle Co-op 1840 Columbus Rd Cleveland, Ohio 44113 216 830 2667 OhioCityCycles.org jim@ohiocitycycles.org
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 8:55 PM Brad Wentworth bwentworth@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Josh & Think Tank,
Here's one about bikeSauce with a section on cycling in Toronto in the middle: https://vimeo.com/69838637 Marianne Pavlyak and her crew get full credit, we just got interviewed. It's old but most of what's in there is still relevant.
Cheerio, Brad - volunteer at bikeSauce in Toronto He/him
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 15:44 peter@BikeClarkCounty.org < peter@bikeclarkcounty.org> wrote:
Bike Clark County….here in Vancouver, WA USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWNH_fNdOwA&t=2s
Cheers!
Peter Van Tilburg Executive Director, Board VP Bike Clark County
Community Bike Shop: 1604 Main St., Vancouver, WA. 98660 Wed-Sat 11am-6pm, Sunday 11am-4pm
c. 503.572.9894 peter@bikeclarkcounty.org *http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervantilburg http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervantilburg* http://www.bikeclarkcounty.org/ www.bikeclarkcounty.org *Bike Clark County is equipping, empowering, and connecting youth to our community.*
On Sep 13, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Dennis Wollersheim dewoller@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bicyclist Lovers
Here is the video from the Melbourne Australia Bike Shed, One Happy Sunday (previously posted on the list).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHHylz0H1K4
On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 4:00 AM Sam Haraldson < sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org> wrote:
> The subject says it all, folks: who's got a rad video about your >> shop or a program that you do? >> > > We have two videos, one from seven years ago and one from three > years ago. Here's the three year old one that describes our programs: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6J6nMNQdtc > > > -- > [image: photo] > *Sam Haraldson* > President, Board of Directors > Bozeman Bike Kitchen > 2104 Industrial Drive, Bozeman, MT 59715 > bozemanbikekitchen.org > https://www.facebook.com/bozemanbikekitchen/ > https://instagram.com/bznbikekitchen/ > https://twitter.com/bznbikekitchen/ > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.or... > >
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kathleen Marron KMarron@csusb.edu To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 18:55:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?!
Are you *KIDDING* me??? I did not attend and now I’m so glad I didn’t, because upon reading this email, I can undoubtedly see that a prime example of oppression and inequality was *clearly* exercised at the Bike!Bike! 2019! Persecution, maltreatment, racism, oppression, and inequality based on a person’s gender, race, or sexual orientation, is *exactly* what I see here. You “punished” someone based on their perceived * gender*. Being inclusive and equitable means what is done for one, is done for all. This is clearly not what was practiced at the event. Claiming to be anti-oppressive and saying one is fighting inequality, doesn’t make it so. It’s in the actions, not the words.
Kathleen (California)
*From:* Thethinktank thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org *On Behalf Of *Ainsley Naylor *Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:58 AM *To:* The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Kicked out of Bike!Bike!?!
Announcements were made that *food would be served to women, trans, and gender non-binary folks first*, as is the rule for the group who were providing the food during Bike!Bike! 2019. They had forgotten to announce this on the first day of the conference. It would have been helpful if guidelines like these (any specific guidelines related to the spaces we were using in Tijuana) could have been communicated via email, the website, or the B!B! handbook for attendees.
Anyone attending Bike!Bike! should have a fair understanding of anti-oppression and ways that our community works to fight inequality. "Treating everyone the same" is not a way to change our systems of oppression. Creating greater access or exclusive access (like Women & Trans hours at our bike projects) is one step that can be taken to be inclusive and equitable.
There's lots of great writing available online and in your libraries if you are rolling your eyes at offences such as being put at the back of the lunch line while considering yourself to be an ally.
Ainsley (Toronto)
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:54 AM Gordon Hamachi gordon.hamachi@gmail.com wrote:
It troubles me that anyone was kicked out of Bike! Bike! I hope that we can get an official explanation from the organizers, explaining their reasoning, because the story as told reveals nothing that would warrant banishment.
I myself have the dubious distinction of being kicked out of one Bike! Bike! 2019 session with the reason given that it was for women only. Evidently this was for cis women only, as nobody bothered to have a conversation with me about my gender identity. I also feel that if women want to improve the world they need to be willing to raise the consciousness of all through education.
Since I am venting, a relatively minor third thing along these lines that bothers me was when I was standing near the front of a newly-opened lunch line, when some woman loudly declared that all of the men were to go to the back. I get that gender discrimination is hurtful to those who may have experienced It, but what sense does it make to impose the same hurt in return, upon different people who are innocent of offense? The men in line obediently went to the back of the line, many with eye rolls, thinking that these women were ill-mannered or unable to fairly queue up and take their turn.
In the future, I would like everyone to treat everyone else with more courtesy and respect, without regard for gender, race, or former occupation.
—Gordon Hamachi
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