Without starting another firestorm of the pros and cons of paid versus unpaid core staff, I would generally reiterate my position that NOT compensating folks dramatically reduces the number and diversity of people that are interested in playing a central role to your organization. Macho says that they aren't in a position to pay all of their staff all of the time. So how about some of the time? Bike Church Santa Cruz has a system in which, basically, every core member is expected to volunteer one shift per week (4 hours) and attend bi-weekly core meetings (unpaid). Anything on top of that is paid at a living wage ($15/hr) to the core member as an 'independent contractor'. It's slightly more complicated than that, but you get the idea. Almost all of the regular open-shop hours are thus staffed by volunteers, but all the behind the scenes stuff (finances, organizing, ordering, etc) is paid. Any core member is eligible to bill these hours, though there are consensed-on 'clerkships' who bottom-line areas of obligation (ordering clerk, finance clerk, tool-maintenance clerk, etc) . Finally, it helps ensure that we will be open consistently b/c during those times of the year (such as now) when a lot of core folks want to leave town for bike tours or whatever, the few remaining mechanics get nicely compensated for working multiple shifts during the week--and thus keeping the doors open. It isn't perfect, but it does keep there from being dramatic divisions within the collective, and it has proven to be a financially sensible route for compensation (the bike church is entirely funded without grants, and has put together a considerable nest-egg to whether potential crisis). As to the questions of 'policing' patrons of the shop... that might be beyond me. Finding ways to minimize chaos/ folks breaking their bikes and our tools without becoming authoritarian is a huge problem that I think all of our organizations deal with every day. I wouldn't want to ask anyone to wait outside, but I remember none-to-fondly what it was like when the bike church had only enough room for 4 bikes inside, and there were a dozen more flipped upside down wrenching in the parking lot. BICAS has a lot of square footage and a sizable paid staff, both of which obviate some of those problems, but the same things happen everywhere... Maybe this is a good topic for a workshop at BikeBike!...?.... best, kyle bike church santa cruz---->BICAS tucson----->bike church santa cruz....

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Macho Philipovich macho@resist.ca wrote:

Hey everyone. We're trying to sort through a couple of issues at the shop right now, and I'd like to see if any others have experiences with similar situations that they could share.

1. We like to keep as many open shop hours as our volunteer capacity will

allow, which doesn't leave much left for running other programs. Our shop is located in a poor part of town, and we're finding a lot of schools, community centres, and immigrant organizations are asking us to run workshops for kids. The said community organizations, though, are often willing to provide honoraria for this work. In the past we've just had the money donated back to the bike project, but now people who run the programs are starting to keep it for themselves, and we're kind of feeling torn. On the one hand, partnering with community organizations so that kids can have access to bikes and bike repair tools & skills is amazing, and is basically why we exist, and giving our volunteers, most of whom are low-income, some monetary compensation is great, especially since we are a very financially stable shop. On the other hand, there is also the concern that if volunteers start to be paid, it will take them away from our open shop hours, and leave other volunteers to do essentially the same work, only without getting paid. This could seemingly cause resentment, hard feelings, and the general deterioration of our shop. We're not, at this time, able to or interested in paying all volunteer mechanics all of the time. So this is something we have to find a way to reasonably resolve.

2. This question is especially directed at shops that view themselves as

committed to radical social change, but answers from anyone are welcome. We've just switched over from a "free-for-all" kind of setup where people can waltz in to the shop, start wrenching away, and ask for help if anyone is around to offer it, to our new setup where people need to sign in with a greeter and if there are no available mechanics, they have to wait outside. This has almost eliminated the chaos and frustration that was until recently a staple at the shop, but also has people worried. We are starting to feel like we are "policing" people and treating those who use the shop with suspicion, and that the shop is starting to feel much more like a regular liberal social work program or soup kitchen where there is a clear divide between staff ("you've already had your one bowl of soup!") and people fixing their bikes, rather than a space where different people are welcome to make a meaningful contribution, and become empowered to be invested in the space and take a leadership role.

Has anyone experienced either of these things in their shop? Any thoughts? Solutions?

Thanks, Macho of the Bike Dump http://bike-dump.ca

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With our group, we for the most part turn down requests for outside
events like workshops, simply due to lack of volunteer time. We're
set up with a core group of people (sort of like the Board of the co- op for lack of a better term) that has key access and run the shifts,
and the rest of the volunteers show up as they see fit. So only a
core vol. would do such workshops, and most have full-time employment.

For a while we did hire someone to take these on, and split the
proceeds 50/50. Sometimes it was corporate or government and the
total pay was $500, but most often it was maybe $100. In the end we
were making enough money to stay afloat just through shop operations,
so we canned doing outside events just from the hassle point of
view. We're in a fairly prosperous city (Canada's Capital) and
situated on the edge of downtown, so we don't tend to hear a demand
for extra services to those on low-income. We do our best to keep
our prices low in general (average bike price is $80), and each
staffer can adjust a bike's price as they see fit at point of sale.

For a long time we prided ourselves on being completely volunteer
run, and also receiving no outside funding (though of course
receiving quite a bit of community support from places like MEC that
have helped keep our cash outlay down). Currently, none of our
volunteers gets paid outside of myself, and I only get a monthly
honourarium as Director.

I've had this position since 2002, but in 2006 told the group I
needed some compensation to keep putting the time in, because
otherwise my hours should be spent on another part-time job to
supplement my income as a musician. Fortunately the group agreed,
and so I continue. While I receive no benefits or vacation time, I
also don't have a bad boss or dopey co-workers. ;) The important
thing for me is retaining flexibility in my hours so that I can still
continue to work as a musician, and the co-op has someone keeping the
place glued together.

Every now and then I've queried some of the staff on the idea of
getting paid to run shifts, and pretty well all have nixed the idea,
saying their day job pays them well enough and they are happy to put
in the time as volunteers. So that's how we operate for now, but it
could change if core staff departed and newcomers were wanted to
explore the pay idea.

Mark Rehder - Director re-Cycles Bicycle Co-op http://re-cycles.ca

On 23-Jun-08, at 11:22 AM, Macho Philipovich wrote:

Hey everyone. We're trying to sort through a couple of issues at
the shop right now, and I'd like to see if any others have
experiences with similar situations that they could share.

1. We like to keep as many open shop hours as our volunteer

capacity will allow, which doesn't leave much left for running
other programs. Our shop is located in a poor part of town, and
we're finding a lot of schools, community centres, and immigrant
organizations are asking us to run workshops for kids. The said
community organizations, though, are often willing to provide
honoraria for this work. In the past we've just had the money
donated back to the bike project, but now people who run the
programs are starting to keep it for themselves, and we're kind of
feeling torn. On the one hand, partnering with community
organizations so that kids can have access to bikes and bike repair
tools & skills is amazing, and is basically why we exist, and
giving our volunteers, most of whom are low-income, some monetary
compensation is great, especially since we are a very financially
stable shop. On the other hand, there is also the concern that if
volunteers start to be paid, it will take them away from our open
shop hours, and leave other volunteers to do essentially the same
work, only without getting paid. This could seemingly cause
resentment, hard feelings, and the general deterioration of our
shop. We're not, at this time, able to or interested in paying all
volunteer mechanics all of the time. So this is something we have
to find a way to reasonably resolve.

2. This question is especially directed at shops that view

themselves as committed to radical social change, but answers from
anyone are welcome. We've just switched over from a "free-for-all"
kind of setup where people can waltz in to the shop, start
wrenching away, and ask for help if anyone is around to offer it,
to our new setup where people need to sign in with a greeter and if
there are no available mechanics, they have to wait outside. This
has almost eliminated the chaos and frustration that was until
recently a staple at the shop, but also has people worried. We are
starting to feel like we are "policing" people and treating those
who use the shop with suspicion, and that the shop is starting to
feel much more like a regular liberal social work program or soup
kitchen where there is a clear divide between staff ("you've
already had your one bowl of soup!") and people fixing their bikes,
rather than a space where different people are welcome to make a
meaningful contribution, and become empowered to be invested in the
space and take a leadership role.

Has anyone experienced either of these things in their shop? Any
thoughts? Solutions?

Thanks, Macho of the Bike Dump http://bike-dump.ca

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