We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway event for un-assessed donations:
*Pros* Expose more public to the shop Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
*Cons* Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out. Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on anyway. Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or dangerous bikes. Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing basis.
-Andy Brok Spoke, Lexington
Andy,
so are you giving away bikes that are already repaired or still in need of repair?
we do two kids bikes (coaster brake only) giveaways a year, at new years time and in June at an annual local festival. we stockpile them all and then do a work party to ready about 50-70 each time.
your list of pros and cons is a good one and a lot of the same issues we grapple with. we have $5 bikes that are basically repaired walmart bikes and those are sometimes given away to someone who needs a bike but cant afford that.
we are currently going through a big culling process where we are closing shop for a week and just working on pulling out bikes we will never have time to work on and are just taking space. some will be given away in bulk and moved off site, and others will be scrapped.
Andrew Troy Bike Rescue
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Shooner ashooner@gmail.com wrote:
We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway event for un-assessed donations:
*Pros* Expose more public to the shop Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
*Cons* Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out. Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on anyway. Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or dangerous bikes. Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing basis.
-Andy Brok Spoke, Lexington
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Hi all:
Random thoughts:
Selling bikes as is with a sheet explaining exactly what is wrong with the bike can provide a few benefits. It establishes a public facing evaluation process for every bike that goes through your program. It establishes a value based on condition and components. It allows volunteers and workers to quickly determine which bikes are worthy of further work (overhaul, tune up, etc). It also provides minimum standards for the bikes in your program or fleet. I've worked at shops where low end dual suspension bikes are automatically red tagged and stripped of usable parts, if any. Other shops have drawn the line at anything with cotter pins or electro forged schwinns. The point is, have minimum standards for safety and performance, then educate the community about those standards. That may free up some inventory and provide a path for rehabbing or stripping bikes that are worthy of your efforts, and sending the rest to the scrap yard.
If you have a substantial burning man/festival community locally, they would probably be interested in anything that is a beach cruiser coaster brake singlespeed or a Mountain bike converted to singlespeed with at least one usable brake. I keep my prices fairly high for playa bikes, but do so with a guarantee and support at the event, which nobody else does.
Tom Martin ASPCC bike program coordinator Cascade Sent on the go. Please excuse brevity and typos.
On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:21 PM, breathingplanet . breathingplanet@gmail.com wrote:
Andy,
so are you giving away bikes that are already repaired or still in need of repair?
we do two kids bikes (coaster brake only) giveaways a year, at new years time and in June at an annual local festival. we stockpile them all and then do a work party to ready about 50-70 each time.
your list of pros and cons is a good one and a lot of the same issues we grapple with. we have $5 bikes that are basically repaired walmart bikes and those are sometimes given away to someone who needs a bike but cant afford that.
we are currently going through a big culling process where we are closing shop for a week and just working on pulling out bikes we will never have time to work on and are just taking space. some will be given away in bulk and moved off site, and others will be scrapped.
Andrew Troy Bike Rescue
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Shooner ashooner@gmail.com wrote: We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway event for un-assessed donations:
Pros Expose more public to the shop Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
Cons Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out. Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on anyway. Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or dangerous bikes. Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing basis.
-Andy Brok Spoke, Lexington
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There is an implied elitism in the above/below statements.
Say Bikes for the World donation of low end bikes, considered fit for third world, but low brow for first world, or local upper mechanics v. common users/pedallers...
But transportation as a necessity, still better than bus, walk or drive, in many instances... A spare bike where others might have to be mere pedestrians...
Realize poverty exists in Your communities too, with very rare exception, or expand you consciousness / boundaries/ zoning model and serve that need, likely part of the true mission...otherwise work in regular, must sell new year model commercial high end race oriented shops... Ala "Got carbon|titanium? We do!"
/SteppingOffToConsiderLastCritMassAttendanceDates
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015, 03:12 Tom Martin thomas.martin6@pcc.edu wrote:
Hi all:
Random thoughts:
- Selling bikes as is with a sheet explaining exactly what is wrong with
the bike can provide a few benefits. It establishes a public facing evaluation process for every bike that goes through your program. It establishes a value based on condition and components. It allows volunteers and workers to quickly determine which bikes are worthy of further work (overhaul, tune up, etc). It also provides minimum standards for the bikes in your program or fleet. I've worked at shops where low end dual suspension bikes are automatically red tagged and stripped of usable parts, if any. Other shops have drawn the line at anything with cotter pins or electro forged schwinns. The point is, have minimum standards for safety and performance, then educate the community about those standards. That may free up some inventory and provide a path for rehabbing or stripping bikes that are worthy of your efforts, and sending the rest to the scrap yard.
- If you have a substantial burning man/festival community locally, they
would probably be interested in anything that is a beach cruiser coaster brake singlespeed or a Mountain bike converted to singlespeed with at least one usable brake. I keep my prices fairly high for playa bikes, but do so with a guarantee and support at the event, which nobody else does.
Tom Martin ASPCC bike program coordinator Cascade Sent on the go. Please excuse brevity and typos.
On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:21 PM, breathingplanet . breathingplanet@gmail.com wrote:
Andy,
so are you giving away bikes that are already repaired or still in need of repair?
we do two kids bikes (coaster brake only) giveaways a year, at new years time and in June at an annual local festival. we stockpile them all and then do a work party to ready about 50-70 each time.
your list of pros and cons is a good one and a lot of the same issues we grapple with. we have $5 bikes that are basically repaired walmart bikes and those are sometimes given away to someone who needs a bike but cant afford that.
we are currently going through a big culling process where we are closing shop for a week and just working on pulling out bikes we will never have time to work on and are just taking space. some will be given away in bulk and moved off site, and others will be scrapped.
Andrew Troy Bike Rescue
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Shooner ashooner@gmail.com wrote:
We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway event for un-assessed donations:
*Pros* Expose more public to the shop Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
*Cons* Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out. Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on anyway. Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or dangerous bikes. Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing basis.
-Andy Brok Spoke, Lexington
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At bike farm when we sell any bike, it comes with a one month membership. This includes "as-is" bikes and bike frames or partial bikes. It serves kinda as a warranty. Whatever's messed up on it, we can help you repair it.
Doing this helps us focus on the mission, which is teaching people how to fix bikes, not being a retail bike shop. It's also a low cost option for a bike if you've got some time and patience to work on it. We don't mind giving out memberships. So many times people come into the shop to buy a "cheap bike". What we really want is for them to grow to love their bike, know how to take care of it, and feel more empowered by mastering their mode of transportation.
Sometimes, bikes just must be scrapped. We try as hard as we can to dismantle, offer frames up to welders or artists. But sometimes it's better to get the rust buckets out of the shop. When they start to pile up, they become a safety risk.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:40 AM, DancesWithCars danceswithcars@gmail.com wrote:
There is an implied elitism in the above/below statements.
Say Bikes for the World donation of low end bikes, considered fit for third world, but low brow for first world, or local upper mechanics v. common users/pedallers...
But transportation as a necessity, still better than bus, walk or drive, in many instances... A spare bike where others might have to be mere pedestrians...
Realize poverty exists in Your communities too, with very rare exception, or expand you consciousness / boundaries/ zoning model and serve that need, likely part of the true mission...otherwise work in regular, must sell new year model commercial high end race oriented shops... Ala "Got carbon|titanium? We do!"
/SteppingOffToConsiderLastCritMassAttendanceDates
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015, 03:12 Tom Martin thomas.martin6@pcc.edu wrote:
Hi all:
Random thoughts:
- Selling bikes as is with a sheet explaining exactly what is wrong with
the bike can provide a few benefits. It establishes a public facing evaluation process for every bike that goes through your program. It establishes a value based on condition and components. It allows volunteers and workers to quickly determine which bikes are worthy of further work (overhaul, tune up, etc). It also provides minimum standards for the bikes in your program or fleet. I've worked at shops where low end dual suspension bikes are automatically red tagged and stripped of usable parts, if any. Other shops have drawn the line at anything with cotter pins or electro forged schwinns. The point is, have minimum standards for safety and performance, then educate the community about those standards. That may free up some inventory and provide a path for rehabbing or stripping bikes that are worthy of your efforts, and sending the rest to the scrap yard.
- If you have a substantial burning man/festival community locally, they
would probably be interested in anything that is a beach cruiser coaster brake singlespeed or a Mountain bike converted to singlespeed with at least one usable brake. I keep my prices fairly high for playa bikes, but do so with a guarantee and support at the event, which nobody else does.
Tom Martin ASPCC bike program coordinator Cascade Sent on the go. Please excuse brevity and typos.
On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:21 PM, breathingplanet . breathingplanet@gmail.com wrote:
Andy,
so are you giving away bikes that are already repaired or still in need of repair?
we do two kids bikes (coaster brake only) giveaways a year, at new years time and in June at an annual local festival. we stockpile them all and then do a work party to ready about 50-70 each time.
your list of pros and cons is a good one and a lot of the same issues we grapple with. we have $5 bikes that are basically repaired walmart bikes and those are sometimes given away to someone who needs a bike but cant afford that.
we are currently going through a big culling process where we are closing shop for a week and just working on pulling out bikes we will never have time to work on and are just taking space. some will be given away in bulk and moved off site, and others will be scrapped.
Andrew Troy Bike Rescue
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Shooner ashooner@gmail.com wrote:
We typically reach our storage capacity of donated bikes around this time of year. Our process is to assess and price bikes before selling them (cash or volunteer equity), but we can get gridlocked if we have too many incoming donations. We're considering an annual bike giveaway, and I'm looking for some wisdom/experience. My pros and cons list for a giveaway event for un-assessed donations:
*Pros* Expose more public to the shop Clear out bikes that are a physical and mental burden on the volunteers Redistribute more bikes! (part of our mission)
*Cons* Breaks our principle of earned equity vs hand-out. Would likely lead to redistributing bikes that we'll need to work on anyway. Along the same lines, could hurt our rep if we give away broken or dangerous bikes. Could still leave us with the bottom-of-the-barrel bikes.
Does anyone have a consistent method for managing bike capacity? My gut tells me we should just commit to a bike-count, and stick with it. Then we can hone our process for pulling the wheat from the chaff on an ongoing basis.
-Andy Brok Spoke, Lexington
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