I'm trying to start up a bike co-op where I live and I would like to know what the average amount of income is for a bike co-op and what the financials typically look like. I want to make sure that when I start this that I am financially ok so that it all doesn't crumble beneath me.
~ Tenaya Goldsmith
I don't know that there really is an average amount of income for a bike co-op since different bike co-ops do completely different things. Most bike co-ops don't really make much in the way of income, though, as far as I know. I worked for a while at a co-op in Iowa that made some money off checking out and selling fixed up bikes, as well as from selling parts and tubes, etc. We primarily were able to get by because the city gave us free space for a shop and storefront, though. I know other co-ops that are funded by grants or have some other sort of benefactor. I would say the most important thing is to have a good group of people to start the organization with that have the resources to go out and find support, whether that's from the local gov't, universities, foundations, environmental orgs, bicyclists and bike shops, etc.
Sam
Den 23-11-2014 kl. 18:06 skrev tenaya goldsmith:
I'm trying to start up a bike co-op where I live and I would like to know what the average amount of income is for a bike co-op and what the financials typically look like. I want to make sure that when I start this that I am financially ok so that it all doesn't crumble beneath me.
~ Tenaya Goldsmith
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The bicycle kitchen started in the tiny kitchen of a disused studio apartment at the los angeles ecovillage. The first set of tools were the personal property of the founders. the initial shop hours were tuesday evenings only. beer and pizza was currency. after two years 2003-2004 the kitchen had blown up to three days ( tue, thur, and sat) the volunteer staff had grown to ~thirty and we received a $10,000 grant from a local philanthropist. we use that money to buy tools and moved to a store front where we needed to take in ~$ 75.00/day we opened six days a week and earned all our moneys by providing goods and services. the kitchen is still 100% volunteer our revenue is around 75k yearly. over the last 10 years we did get a grant from the
Annenberg foundation. that gave us the down payment on our own space.
as Sam said, it all depend on the particulars. one of the main things that sets a bike coop aside from most non-profits is we provide real and tangible resources to all levels of society. empowering access to personal transportation is very valuable. offering it as volunteers and giving clients the opportunity to donate at the level they wish to often results in ample rewards.
we go a long way just not very fast
jim
On Nov 23, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Samuel samuelchristianjensen@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know that there really is an average amount of income for a bike co-op since different bike co-ops do completely different things. Most bike co-ops don't really make much in the way of income, though, as far as I know. I worked for a while at a co-op in Iowa that made some money off checking out and selling fixed up bikes, as well as from selling parts and tubes, etc. We primarily were able to get by because the city gave us free space for a shop and storefront, though. I know other co-ops that are funded by grants or have some other sort of benefactor. I would say the most important thing is to have a good group of people to start the organization with that have the resources to go out and find support, whether that's from the local gov't, universities, foundations, environmental orgs, bicyclists and bike shops, etc.
Sam
Den 23-11-2014 kl. 18:06 skrev tenaya goldsmith: I'm trying to start up a bike co-op where I live and I would like to know what the average amount of income is for a bike co-op and what the financials typically look like. I want to make sure that when I start this that I am financially ok so that it all doesn't crumble beneath me.
~ Tenaya Goldsmith
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I think the problem with answering this is that there is such a wide variety of organizations, and we don't know anything about your situation. What size is your city, what kind of programs do you foresee, do you have a board of directors, do you have a space yet, etc.
There are very small shoestring budget co-ops that operate on volunteers and unpredictable donations, and there are very strong co-ops that receive a variety of grant funding and have well-defined programming and staff to match. The bigger it gets, the more you bring in and the more you can spend (more tools to buy, improvement ideas, website, part-time staff, etc.). Are you going to incorporate? Apply for 501c3 status?
You can look up any 501c3 organization's 990-N form via Guidestar to get an idea. These will be established organizations, with a board of directors and all the benefits of 501c3 status and established community contacts.
Marissa Pherson
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM, tenaya goldsmith <tenayagoldsmith@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm trying to start up a bike co-op where I live and I would like to know what the average amount of income is for a bike co-op and what the financials typically look like. I want to make sure that when I start this that I am financially ok so that it all doesn't crumble beneath me.
~ Tenaya Goldsmith
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There is no guarantee against crumbling, but you can minimize your exposure and increase your chances of success by being scrappy, as most all have done to get their community shops going. Borrowed space, donated tools and many volunteers are common strategies.
I agree that without specifics on your community, it is hard to know what the potential is. Let's look at it a different way: I've found that *established* community bike shops typically have income/donations equal to about 10-15% of the larger area commercial bike shop's income. One of the cool things about community bike shops is that they are scalable, growing their client base, service and program offerings as they develop. Community bike shops typically have the community/open shop and donations for parts and bicycles as their principal income/activity, with programs (e.g.Trips for Kids) and services (Bike Valet) developing as the org grows. As service groups, labor/wages is usually the largest expense for those out of the volunteer-only phase, sometimes amounting to half of income or more.
Partnering with a local allied non-profit and talking to an attorney will increase your chances of getting off on the right foot, especially if you are new at this.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Marissa Pherson marissapherson@gmail.com wrote:
I think the problem with answering this is that there is such a wide variety of organizations, and we don't know anything about your situation. What size is your city, what kind of programs do you foresee, do you have a board of directors, do you have a space yet, etc.
There are very small shoestring budget co-ops that operate on volunteers and unpredictable donations, and there are very strong co-ops that receive a variety of grant funding and have well-defined programming and staff to match. The bigger it gets, the more you bring in and the more you can spend (more tools to buy, improvement ideas, website, part-time staff, etc.). Are you going to incorporate? Apply for 501c3 status?
You can look up any 501c3 organization's 990-N form via Guidestar to get an idea. These will be established organizations, with a board of directors and all the benefits of 501c3 status and established community contacts.
Marissa Pherson
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM, tenaya goldsmith < tenayagoldsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to start up a bike co-op where I live and I would like to know what the average amount of income is for a bike co-op and what the financials typically look like. I want to make sure that when I start this that I am financially ok so that it all doesn't crumble beneath me.
~ Tenaya Goldsmith
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From a DIY, limited resources and limited manpower standpoint, a good way
to get started is by acquiring basic tool donations from a couple bike shops that are supportive of your efforts, and begin by hosting pop-up bike repair clinics in parks, near metro stations, places that cyclists frequent
- that way you can start to help the community and generate some donations
and spread the word about your organization.
This is how we started the Valley Bikery in the San Fernando Valley (Los Angeles), with basically no seed money. We didn't require a fee to do tune-ups and repairs at our mobile stations, but we stated that we were accepting donations and working towards a brick-and-mortar location. Our most successful pop up location was in a park alongside a heavily used bike path, best timing was Sunday mornings/afternoon. We had a BBQ fundraiser, sold burgers & dogs donated by people who believed in the project, and conducted a very useful survey to gauge people's needs, volunteer interest, skill level, and location so we could start a newsletter and build a volunteer base before we had an actual space. We held regular meetings at a pizza joint and established some of the structural elements and went to work helping people in the community, training our volunteers, and figuring out where to best set up shop. We partnered with metro who donated patch kits and bike maps and gave us a night to set up at the plaza outside one of the train stations.
Our first space was in a bike shop that was huge, and essentially had more space than they needed. We gave them a percentage of our donations instead of a flat rental fee, which helped us establish a basic fund before we were making enough money to pay real rent. That location wasn't great, but it got us on our feet, and we eventually moved to an independent location in a more centralized area.
Don't think that you need to invest a ton of money to make it work. Build a core group of volunteers and get out into the community and show people what you can do. Table at community events. Collect donations at every opportunity. If there is another co op nearby, ask them to help train your volunteers, and offer to put in hours at their space in exchange. The Bikerowave on the west side of the city was extremely supportive in this way, and even gave us a cut of their income for the nights we came in to work at their shop (pre-arranged times). They also donated some overflow parts that they didn't really have room for. Our parts cache wasn't great at the beginning, but we facilitated the process by accepting donations at all hours to our homes, which we would then take to the co-op during our open hours. We went to the people who had stuff to give us, we asked for anything they might be able to offer.
Your resources are people, events, and places. Leverage them and you'll be OK.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
There is no guarantee against crumbling, but you can minimize your exposure and increase your chances of success by being scrappy, as most all have done to get their community shops going. Borrowed space, donated tools and many volunteers are common strategies.
I agree that without specifics on your community, it is hard to know what the potential is. Let's look at it a different way: I've found that *established* community bike shops typically have income/donations equal to about 10-15% of the larger area commercial bike shop's income. One of the cool things about community bike shops is that they are scalable, growing their client base, service and program offerings as they develop. Community bike shops typically have the community/open shop and donations for parts and bicycles as their principal income/activity, with programs (e.g.Trips for Kids) and services (Bike Valet) developing as the org grows. As service groups, labor/wages is usually the largest expense for those out of the volunteer-only phase, sometimes amounting to half of income or more.
Partnering with a local allied non-profit and talking to an attorney will increase your chances of getting off on the right foot, especially if you are new at this.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Marissa Pherson <marissapherson@gmail.com
wrote:
I think the problem with answering this is that there is such a wide variety of organizations, and we don't know anything about your situation. What size is your city, what kind of programs do you foresee, do you have a board of directors, do you have a space yet, etc.
There are very small shoestring budget co-ops that operate on volunteers and unpredictable donations, and there are very strong co-ops that receive a variety of grant funding and have well-defined programming and staff to match. The bigger it gets, the more you bring in and the more you can spend (more tools to buy, improvement ideas, website, part-time staff, etc.). Are you going to incorporate? Apply for 501c3 status?
You can look up any 501c3 organization's 990-N form via Guidestar to get an idea. These will be established organizations, with a board of directors and all the benefits of 501c3 status and established community contacts.
Marissa Pherson
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM, tenaya goldsmith < tenayagoldsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to start up a bike co-op where I live and I would like to know what the average amount of income is for a bike co-op and what the financials typically look like. I want to make sure that when I start this that I am financially ok so that it all doesn't crumble beneath me.
~ Tenaya Goldsmith
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Earlier this year I sent a short survey out to the think tank, asking questions related to starting up and sustaining a co-op. There were fifteen responses. The raw responses are at the link below; this should be viewable by anyone.
Although this does not specifically ask about budget numbers, it does ask related questions. The responses indicate the wide variety of situations under which successful co-ops started. The sample size is small, but the responses are interesting.
My take on the results is that people matter most at startup, while both people and money become important to sustan.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16G_0bH6pv35bhwrZaPeBNgDDTTtE4Tzerdur...
Ken Lanteigne
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Krista Nicole passionforwords@gmail.com wrote:
From a DIY, limited resources and limited manpower standpoint, a good way to get started is by acquiring basic tool donations from a couple bike shops that are supportive of your efforts, and begin by hosting pop-up bike repair clinics in parks, near metro stations, places that cyclists frequent
- that way you can start to help the community and generate some donations
and spread the word about your organization.
This is how we started the Valley Bikery in the San Fernando Valley (Los Angeles), with basically no seed money. We didn't require a fee to do tune-ups and repairs at our mobile stations, but we stated that we were accepting donations and working towards a brick-and-mortar location. Our most successful pop up location was in a park alongside a heavily used bike path, best timing was Sunday mornings/afternoon. We had a BBQ fundraiser, sold burgers & dogs donated by people who believed in the project, and conducted a very useful survey to gauge people's needs, volunteer interest, skill level, and location so we could start a newsletter and build a volunteer base before we had an actual space. We held regular meetings at a pizza joint and established some of the structural elements and went to work helping people in the community, training our volunteers, and figuring out where to best set up shop. We partnered with metro who donated patch kits and bike maps and gave us a night to set up at the plaza outside one of the train stations.
Our first space was in a bike shop that was huge, and essentially had more space than they needed. We gave them a percentage of our donations instead of a flat rental fee, which helped us establish a basic fund before we were making enough money to pay real rent. That location wasn't great, but it got us on our feet, and we eventually moved to an independent location in a more centralized area.
Don't think that you need to invest a ton of money to make it work. Build a core group of volunteers and get out into the community and show people what you can do. Table at community events. Collect donations at every opportunity. If there is another co op nearby, ask them to help train your volunteers, and offer to put in hours at their space in exchange. The Bikerowave on the west side of the city was extremely supportive in this way, and even gave us a cut of their income for the nights we came in to work at their shop (pre-arranged times). They also donated some overflow parts that they didn't really have room for. Our parts cache wasn't great at the beginning, but we facilitated the process by accepting donations at all hours to our homes, which we would then take to the co-op during our open hours. We went to the people who had stuff to give us, we asked for anything they might be able to offer.
Your resources are people, events, and places. Leverage them and you'll be OK.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
There is no guarantee against crumbling, but you can minimize your exposure and increase your chances of success by being scrappy, as most all have done to get their community shops going. Borrowed space, donated tools and many volunteers are common strategies.
I agree that without specifics on your community, it is hard to know what the potential is. Let's look at it a different way: I've found that *established* community bike shops typically have income/donations equal to about 10-15% of the larger area commercial bike shop's income. One of the cool things about community bike shops is that they are scalable, growing their client base, service and program offerings as they develop. Community bike shops typically have the community/open shop and donations for parts and bicycles as their principal income/activity, with programs (e.g.Trips for Kids) and services (Bike Valet) developing as the org grows. As service groups, labor/wages is usually the largest expense for those out of the volunteer-only phase, sometimes amounting to half of income or more.
Partnering with a local allied non-profit and talking to an attorney will increase your chances of getting off on the right foot, especially if you are new at this.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Marissa Pherson < marissapherson@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the problem with answering this is that there is such a wide variety of organizations, and we don't know anything about your situation. What size is your city, what kind of programs do you foresee, do you have a board of directors, do you have a space yet, etc.
There are very small shoestring budget co-ops that operate on volunteers and unpredictable donations, and there are very strong co-ops that receive a variety of grant funding and have well-defined programming and staff to match. The bigger it gets, the more you bring in and the more you can spend (more tools to buy, improvement ideas, website, part-time staff, etc.). Are you going to incorporate? Apply for 501c3 status?
You can look up any 501c3 organization's 990-N form via Guidestar to get an idea. These will be established organizations, with a board of directors and all the benefits of 501c3 status and established community contacts.
Marissa Pherson
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM, tenaya goldsmith < tenayagoldsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to start up a bike co-op where I live and I would like to know what the average amount of income is for a bike co-op and what the financials typically look like. I want to make sure that when I start this that I am financially ok so that it all doesn't crumble beneath me.
~ Tenaya Goldsmith
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