We are about to open our 4th Co op and having a difficulty with the City of Riverside, Ca. We are dropping a container for storage of our tools and materials along with a place to store donations. It is being placed next to a community garden along a multi use path, the Santa Ana River Trail. We will conduct all business outside and share the container with the garden, storage of garden tools. Now the city wants the container to be ADA compliant which we don't have a real issue with but for some reason this is throwing in delay after delay. They want an architect to design plans for the whole area to be compliant along with garden. Has anyone run into such a problem or do I take this as a passive way of saying we don't want a Co op even though WE asked you for one.
Mark Friis Inland Empire Biking Alliance PO Box 9266 Redlands, CA 92375 909-800-4322 iebafriis@gmail.com www.iebike.org
I may be able to help with that Mark, I'm working with AFH LA on plans for pop up open source shipping containers. On Sep 28, 2015 7:41 AM, "Mark Friis" iebafriis@gmail.com wrote:
We are about to open our 4th Co op and having a difficulty with the City of Riverside, Ca. We are dropping a container for storage of our tools and materials along with a place to store donations. It is being placed next to a community garden along a multi use path, the Santa Ana River Trail. We will conduct all business outside and share the container with the garden, storage of garden tools. Now the city wants the container to be ADA compliant which we don't have a real issue with but for some reason this is throwing in delay after delay. They want an architect to design plans for the whole area to be compliant along with garden. Has anyone run into such a problem or do I take this as a passive way of saying we don't want a Co op even though WE asked you for one.
Mark Friis Inland Empire Biking Alliance PO Box 9266 Redlands, CA 92375 909-800-4322 iebafriis@gmail.com www.iebike.org
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Without guessing at the motives of the city, I will say that the ADA is a tremendously important, if usually ignored piece of legislation. For any organization or business that wants to prioritize inclusion, I would say embrace the ADA. The ADA is all about removing barriers to access. I will say ramping a shipping container is bound to be difficult if it is more than a foot off the ground, as the ADA specifies 1 foot in length per foot of elevation for ramps. In my experience too many municipalities turn a blind eye to ADA compliance, so I say embrace the process, and see if the city can help you make your resource more accessible to all.
Matt Brittenham-Jones Montpelier, VT
On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mark Friis iebafriis@gmail.com wrote:
We are about to open our 4th Co op and having a difficulty with the City of Riverside, Ca. We are dropping a container for storage of our tools and materials along with a place to store donations. It is being placed next to a community garden along a multi use path, the Santa Ana River Trail. We will conduct all business outside and share the container with the garden, storage of garden tools. Now the city wants the container to be ADA compliant which we don't have a real issue with but for some reason this is throwing in delay after delay. They want an architect to design plans for the whole area to be compliant along with garden. Has anyone run into such a problem or do I take this as a passive way of saying we don't want a Co op even though WE asked you for one.
Mark Friis Inland Empire Biking Alliance PO Box 9266 Redlands, CA 92375 909-800-4322 iebafriis@gmail.com mailto:iebafriis@gmail.com www.iebike.org http://www.iebike.org/
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Perhaps you mistyped. The maximum slope for an ADA ramp is 1:12; 1 inch of rise for every 1 foot of run.
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Matt Brittenham-Jones mattface@gmail.com wrote:
Without guessing at the motives of the city, I will say that the ADA is a tremendously important, if usually ignored piece of legislation. For any organization or business that wants to prioritize inclusion, I would say embrace the ADA. The ADA is all about removing barriers to access. I will say ramping a shipping container is bound to be difficult if it is more than a foot off the ground, as the ADA specifies 1 foot in length per foot of elevation for ramps. In my experience too many municipalities turn a blind eye to ADA compliance, so I say embrace the process, and see if the city can help you make your resource more accessible to all.
Matt Brittenham-Jones Montpelier, VT
On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mark Friis iebafriis@gmail.com wrote:
We are about to open our 4th Co op and having a difficulty with the City of Riverside, Ca. We are dropping a container for storage of our tools and materials along with a place to store donations. It is being placed next to a community garden along a multi use path, the Santa Ana River Trail. We will conduct all business outside and share the container with the garden, storage of garden tools. Now the city wants the container to be ADA compliant which we don't have a real issue with but for some reason this is throwing in delay after delay. They want an architect to design plans for the whole area to be compliant along with garden. Has anyone run into such a problem or do I take this as a passive way of saying we don't want a Co op even though WE asked you for one.
Mark Friis Inland Empire Biking Alliance PO Box 9266 Redlands, CA 92375 909-800-4322 iebafriis@gmail.com www.iebike.org
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Yes. one foot of length per inch of rise is what I meant to type. So a one foot rise would equal a 12 foot ramp length. So “only a few steps” could mean a very long ramp.
On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps you mistyped. The maximum slope for an ADA ramp is 1:12; 1 inch of rise for every 1 foot of run.
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Matt Brittenham-Jones <mattface@gmail.com mailto:mattface@gmail.com> wrote: Without guessing at the motives of the city, I will say that the ADA is a tremendously important, if usually ignored piece of legislation. For any organization or business that wants to prioritize inclusion, I would say embrace the ADA. The ADA is all about removing barriers to access. I will say ramping a shipping container is bound to be difficult if it is more than a foot off the ground, as the ADA specifies 1 foot in length per foot of elevation for ramps. In my experience too many municipalities turn a blind eye to ADA compliance, so I say embrace the process, and see if the city can help you make your resource more accessible to all.
Matt Brittenham-Jones Montpelier, VT
On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mark Friis <iebafriis@gmail.com mailto:iebafriis@gmail.com> wrote:
We are about to open our 4th Co op and having a difficulty with the City of Riverside, Ca. We are dropping a container for storage of our tools and materials along with a place to store donations. It is being placed next to a community garden along a multi use path, the Santa Ana River Trail. We will conduct all business outside and share the container with the garden, storage of garden tools. Now the city wants the container to be ADA compliant which we don't have a real issue with but for some reason this is throwing in delay after delay. They want an architect to design plans for the whole area to be compliant along with garden. Has anyone run into such a problem or do I take this as a passive way of saying we don't want a Co op even though WE asked you for one.
Mark Friis Inland Empire Biking Alliance PO Box 9266 Redlands, CA 92375 909-800-4322 tel:909-800-4322 iebafriis@gmail.com mailto:iebafriis@gmail.com www.iebike.org http://www.iebike.org/
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Just my $.02. The original posted said they were happy to comply with the ADA.And I think 99.99% of us would support that. The issue is the city's insistence on having a licensed architect's design and expanding the scope to where the co-op is being held responsible for the garden too. Basically the design of a the whole area public space as the "Target of Opportunity." One could ask why the garden isn't required to share the burden, as well as the city as it sounds like they own the space.
Are they going to boot out the garden if the co-op walks away? If not, then it doesn't look very just to me. Not that a problem like that would bother many public officials. "Ops. We have this public space that we let get out of compliance with the ADA, so let's shake down the next group that want's some of the space to fix the whole thing."
Of course I could be 100% wrong . . .
Danny, I would love to see what's going on open source plans for pop up shipping containers!
Ron
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Matt Brittenham-Jones mattface@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. one foot of length per inch of rise is what I meant to type. So a one foot rise would equal a 12 foot ramp length. So “only a few steps” could mean a very long ramp.
On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps you mistyped. The maximum slope for an ADA ramp is 1:12; 1 inch of rise for every 1 foot of run.
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Matt Brittenham-Jones <mattface@gmail.com
wrote:
Without guessing at the motives of the city, I will say that the ADA is a tremendously important, if usually ignored piece of legislation. For any organization or business that wants to prioritize inclusion, I would say embrace the ADA. The ADA is all about removing barriers to access. I will say ramping a shipping container is bound to be difficult if it is more than a foot off the ground, as the ADA specifies 1 foot in length per foot of elevation for ramps. In my experience too many municipalities turn a blind eye to ADA compliance, so I say embrace the process, and see if the city can help you make your resource more accessible to all.
Matt Brittenham-Jones Montpelier, VT
On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mark Friis iebafriis@gmail.com wrote:
We are about to open our 4th Co op and having a difficulty with the City of Riverside, Ca. We are dropping a container for storage of our tools and materials along with a place to store donations. It is being placed next to a community garden along a multi use path, the Santa Ana River Trail. We will conduct all business outside and share the container with the garden, storage of garden tools. Now the city wants the container to be ADA compliant which we don't have a real issue with but for some reason this is throwing in delay after delay. They want an architect to design plans for the whole area to be compliant along with garden. Has anyone run into such a problem or do I take this as a passive way of saying we don't want a Co op even though WE asked you for one.
Mark Friis Inland Empire Biking Alliance PO Box 9266 Redlands, CA 92375 909-800-4322 iebafriis@gmail.com www.iebike.org
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In Portland, Portland Parks & Rec community gardens comply with ADA regulations by offering some raised beds.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Ron Kellis ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org wrote:
Just my $.02. The original posted said they were happy to comply with the ADA.And I think 99.99% of us would support that. The issue is the city's insistence on having a licensed architect's design and expanding the scope to where the co-op is being held responsible for the garden too. Basically the design of a the whole area public space as the "Target of Opportunity." One could ask why the garden isn't required to share the burden, as well as the city as it sounds like they own the space.
Are they going to boot out the garden if the co-op walks away? If not, then it doesn't look very just to me. Not that a problem like that would bother many public officials. "Ops. We have this public space that we let get out of compliance with the ADA, so let's shake down the next group that want's some of the space to fix the whole thing."
Of course I could be 100% wrong . . .
Danny, I would love to see what's going on open source plans for pop up shipping containers!
Ron
Ron Kellis | Véloteer & Basic Maintenance Instructor | VéloCity Bicycle Co-op | 2111 Mt. Vernon Ave., Alexandria, VA 22301 | velocitycoop.org | +1 (703) 549-1108
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Matt Brittenham-Jones < mattface@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes. one foot of length per inch of rise is what I meant to type. So a one foot rise would equal a 12 foot ramp length. So “only a few steps” could mean a very long ramp.
On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps you mistyped. The maximum slope for an ADA ramp is 1:12; 1 inch of rise for every 1 foot of run.
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Matt Brittenham-Jones < mattface@gmail.com> wrote:
Without guessing at the motives of the city, I will say that the ADA is a tremendously important, if usually ignored piece of legislation. For any organization or business that wants to prioritize inclusion, I would say embrace the ADA. The ADA is all about removing barriers to access. I will say ramping a shipping container is bound to be difficult if it is more than a foot off the ground, as the ADA specifies 1 foot in length per foot of elevation for ramps. In my experience too many municipalities turn a blind eye to ADA compliance, so I say embrace the process, and see if the city can help you make your resource more accessible to all.
Matt Brittenham-Jones Montpelier, VT
On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mark Friis iebafriis@gmail.com wrote:
We are about to open our 4th Co op and having a difficulty with the City of Riverside, Ca. We are dropping a container for storage of our tools and materials along with a place to store donations. It is being placed next to a community garden along a multi use path, the Santa Ana River Trail. We will conduct all business outside and share the container with the garden, storage of garden tools. Now the city wants the container to be ADA compliant which we don't have a real issue with but for some reason this is throwing in delay after delay. They want an architect to design plans for the whole area to be compliant along with garden. Has anyone run into such a problem or do I take this as a passive way of saying we don't want a Co op even though WE asked you for one.
Mark Friis Inland Empire Biking Alliance PO Box 9266 Redlands, CA 92375 909-800-4322 iebafriis@gmail.com www.iebike.org
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