Abandoned Bike Ordinance?
Greetings!
Through the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, Alabama we are working with city leaders and the Mobile Police Department to update certain ordinances that have neglected to meet the needs of our city.
One of those ordinances we seek to create is an ordinance that allows the City/Police to recover abandoned bicycles that have been chained up for some (unknown) extended amount of time. We hope that the Delta Bike Project could be the recipient of those bikes for inclusion into our Time is Money Program http://www.deltabikeproject.org/time-is-money-program/. It's also a way to clear up our very limited amount of bike parking - something we're also working on through various fundraisers and agreements of understanding to install fixit stations and bike racks.
Are there examples from this group of ordinances in your city that allow public safety officials or others to recover abandoned bikes? Do you have examples of that language that you can share? Also, are there other similar ordinances that are good to accompany these?
We are lucky to have the ear of the City Leaders and the Police Department, so we would be ever grateful for feedback on this issues.
Thank you,
Jeff
I only have experience with a Canadian university about this. As far as I know there is no specific enabling law for removing abandoned bicycles, so they just have their own policy about tagging bikes before removal.
It might be easier to convince your police & policy-people that there is no need for an actual law, rather than trying to get one put in place. I mean, there is no law that says bikes on public bike racks are inviolable private property of their owners, right? As long as the procedure is respectful (in terms of notice before removal, possibility of recovery, etc), there should be few/no complaints.
Jean-François
On Jun 21, 2016, at 09:58 , Jeff DeQuattro jdequattro@deltabikeproject.org wrote:
Greetings!
Through the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, Alabama we are working with city leaders and the Mobile Police Department to update certain ordinances that have neglected to meet the needs of our city.
One of those ordinances we seek to create is an ordinance that allows the City/Police to recover abandoned bicycles that have been chained up for some (unknown) extended amount of time. We hope that the Delta Bike Project could be the recipient of those bikes for inclusion into our Time is Money Program. It's also a way to clear up our very limited amount of bike parking - something we're also working on through various fundraisers and agreements of understanding to install fixit stations and bike racks.
Are there examples from this group of ordinances in your city that allow public safety officials or others to recover abandoned bikes? Do you have examples of that language that you can share? Also, are there other similar ordinances that are good to accompany these?
We are lucky to have the ear of the City Leaders and the Police Department, so we would be ever grateful for feedback on this issues.
Thank you,
Jeff
-- Warm regards,
Jeff DeQuattro Executive Director
Delta Bike Project 561 St. Francis Street Mobile, AL 36602
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In the US I think this would need to be handled as a law or City ordinance. But even then I can envision a lot of complaints. People take their personal property rights VERY seriously. Universities are generally not considered "public property" and so they can confiscate abandoned bikes on their property.
I think getting the City to institute such a law would be useful. I know of a case where a neighborhood group asked the police to deal with bikes abandoned and locked to street signs in their neighborhood. The police said they couldn't do anything and the neighborhood eventually dealt with it themselves. At some point an abandoned bike is not just an eye-sore, but a potential safety issue for children in the area.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Steve Andruski The Rockville Bike Hub Rockville MD
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Jean-François Caron jfcaron3@gmail.com wrote:
I only have experience with a Canadian university about this. As far as I know there is no specific enabling law for removing abandoned bicycles, so they just have their own policy about tagging bikes before removal.
It might be easier to convince your police & policy-people that there is no need for an actual law, rather than trying to get one put in place. I mean, there is no law that says bikes on public bike racks are inviolable private property of their owners, right? As long as the procedure is respectful (in terms of notice before removal, possibility of recovery, etc), there should be few/no complaints.
Jean-François
On Jun 21, 2016, at 09:58 , Jeff DeQuattro < jdequattro@deltabikeproject.org> wrote:
Greetings!
Through the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, Alabama we are working with city leaders and the Mobile Police Department to update certain ordinances that have neglected to meet the needs of our city.
One of those ordinances we seek to create is an ordinance that allows the City/Police to recover abandoned bicycles that have been chained up for some (unknown) extended amount of time. We hope that the Delta Bike Project could be the recipient of those bikes for inclusion into our Time is Money Program http://www.deltabikeproject.org/time-is-money-program/. It's also a way to clear up our very limited amount of bike parking - something we're also working on through various fundraisers and agreements of understanding to install fixit stations and bike racks.
Are there examples from this group of ordinances in your city that allow public safety officials or others to recover abandoned bikes? Do you have examples of that language that you can share? Also, are there other similar ordinances that are good to accompany these?
We are lucky to have the ear of the City Leaders and the Police Department, so we would be ever grateful for feedback on this issues.
Thank you,
Jeff
-- Warm regards,
Jeff DeQuattro Executive Director
Delta Bike Project 561 St. Francis Street Mobile, AL 36602
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Ordinances or laws that aren't easily enforced or clearly needed are generally a poor management tool, and a bad idea. If such an issue as abandoned bikes exists,it would more likely be covered under a broader regulation, act or ordinance, that local authorities may or may it choose to enforce for the very reasons mentioned by other responders and myself.
If you are looking to lay claim to these "abandoned bikes" you might want to approach civic leaders and agencies with he idea that your cooperative will assist the city by acting as the pickup and storage organization, perhaps even being responsible for publication of the "confiscated properties whereabouts and the 30 days to reclaim it, before it would then become your organizations property.
When contemplating new regulations, ordinances, or laws, you want to be very careful what you ask for, because once that ball gets rolling,bayou might get a whole lot more than you ask for.
On Jun 21, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Jeff DeQuattro jdequattro@deltabikeproject.org wrote:
Greetings!
Through the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, Alabama we are working with city leaders and the Mobile Police Department to update certain ordinances that have neglected to meet the needs of our city.
One of those ordinances we seek to create is an ordinance that allows the City/Police to recover abandoned bicycles that have been chained up for some (unknown) extended amount of time. We hope that the Delta Bike Project could be the recipient of those bikes for inclusion into our Time is Money Program. It's also a way to clear up our very limited amount of bike parking - something we're also working on through various fundraisers and agreements of understanding to install fixit stations and bike racks.
Are there examples from this group of ordinances in your city that allow public safety officials or others to recover abandoned bikes? Do you have examples of that language that you can share? Also, are there other similar ordinances that are good to accompany these?
We are lucky to have the ear of the City Leaders and the Police Department, so we would be ever grateful for feedback on this issues.
Thank you,
Jeff
-- Warm regards,
Jeff DeQuattro Executive Director
Delta Bike Project 561 St. Francis Street Mobile, AL 36602
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you can check the UUPA (Uniform Unclaimed Properties Act)
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3046200053.html
top of the list is Alabama that notes:
§ 35-12-6 Vehicles and equipment, laundry and dry cleaning—1 year;
On 6/21/16 7:58 AM, Jeff DeQuattro wrote:
Greetings!
Through the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, Alabama we are working with city leaders and the Mobile Police Department to update certain ordinances that have neglected to meet the needs of our city.
One of those ordinances we seek to create is an ordinance that allows the City/Police to recover abandoned bicycles that have been chained up for some (unknown) extended amount of time. We hope that the Delta Bike Project could be the recipient of those bikes for inclusion into our Time is Money Program http://www.deltabikeproject.org/time-is-money-program/. It's also a way to clear up our very limited amount of bike parking - something we're also working on through various fundraisers and agreements of understanding to install fixit stations and bike racks.
Are there examples from this group of ordinances in your city that allow public safety officials or others to recover abandoned bikes? Do you have examples of that language that you can share? Also, are there other similar ordinances that are good to accompany these?
We are lucky to have the ear of the City Leaders and the Police Department, so we would be ever grateful for feedback on this issues.
Thank you,
Jeff
-- Warm regards,
Jeff DeQuattro Executive Director
Delta Bike Project 561 St. Francis Street Mobile, AL 36602
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Check this web page from the City of Toronto. It has some good info about their abandoned bike removal program.
http://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/55/101000412155.html
Gerald.
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On Jun 21, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Jeff DeQuattro jdequattro@deltabikeproject.org wrote:
Greetings!
Through the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, Alabama we are working with city leaders and the Mobile Police Department to update certain ordinances that have neglected to meet the needs of our city.
One of those ordinances we seek to create is an ordinance that allows the City/Police to recover abandoned bicycles that have been chained up for some (unknown) extended amount of time. We hope that the Delta Bike Project could be the recipient of those bikes for inclusion into our Time is Money Program. It's also a way to clear up our very limited amount of bike parking - something we're also working on through various fundraisers and agreements of understanding to install fixit stations and bike racks.
Are there examples from this group of ordinances in your city that allow public safety officials or others to recover abandoned bikes? Do you have examples of that language that you can share? Also, are there other similar ordinances that are good to accompany these?
We are lucky to have the ear of the City Leaders and the Police Department, so we would be ever grateful for feedback on this issues.
Thank you,
Jeff
-- Warm regards,
Jeff DeQuattro Executive Director
Delta Bike Project 561 St. Francis Street Mobile, AL 36602
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Hi Jeff,
You might want to read this, which we have in Louisville pertaining to abandoned bikes. https://louisvilleky.gov/government/bike-louisville/abandoned-bicycle-policy It's essentially a city code that allows removal of an abandoned bike as long as its in the flow of public right of way. Looks like they give the owner 14 days notice to remove it and that's it. The department of public works manages this and our shop and a couple of organizations receive bikes occasionally from them.
Good luck!
Jane Halliday Falls City Community BikeWorks Louisville KY
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Andruski swandruski@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 11:52 am Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Abandoned Bike Ordinance?
In the US I think this would need to be handled as a law or City ordinance. But even then I can envision a lot of complaints. People take their personal property rights VERY seriously. Universities are generally not considered "public property" and so they can confiscate abandoned bikes on their property.
I think getting the City to institute such a law would be useful. I know of a case where a neighborhood group asked the police to deal with bikes abandoned and locked to street signs in their neighborhood. The police said they couldn't do anything and the neighborhood eventually dealt with it themselves. At some point an abandoned bike is not just an eye-sore, but a potential safety issue for children in the area.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Steve Andruski The Rockville Bike Hub Rockville MD
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Jean-François Caron jfcaron3@gmail.com wrote:
I only have experience with a Canadian university about this. As far as I know there is no specific enabling law for removing abandoned bicycles, so they just have their own policy about tagging bikes before removal.
It might be easier to convince your police & policy-people that there is no need for an actual law, rather than trying to get one put in place. I mean, there is no law that says bikes on public bike racks are inviolable private property of their owners, right? As long as the procedure is respectful (in terms of notice before removal, possibility of recovery, etc), there should be few/no complaints.
Jean-François
On Jun 21, 2016, at 09:58 , Jeff DeQuattro jdequattro@deltabikeproject.org wrote:
Greetings!
Through the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, Alabama we are working with city leaders and the Mobile Police Department to update certain ordinances that have neglected to meet the needs of our city.
One of those ordinances we seek to create is an ordinance that allows the City/Police to recover abandoned bicycles that have been chained up for some (unknown) extended amount of time. We hope that the Delta Bike Project could be the recipient of those bikes for inclusion into our Time is Money Program. It's also a way to clear up our very limited amount of bike parking - something we're also working on through various fundraisers and agreements of understanding to install fixit stations and bike racks.
Are there examples from this group of ordinances in your city that allow public safety officials or others to recover abandoned bikes? Do you have examples of that language that you can share? Also, are there other similar ordinances that are good to accompany these?
We are lucky to have the ear of the City Leaders and the Police Department, so we would be ever grateful for feedback on this issues.
Thank you,
Jeff
At the Bike Co-op in Fort Collins we are responsible for housing and recording abandoning bikes and work with the police to try to get bikes back to their owners. Every bike that is brought in as a donation or abandonded is logged. We cross check our database with the police and after a certain amount of days they are released to us. We are contacted to cut locks and remove bikes from apartment buildings, businesses, etc. You can check out our website that tells about our program. http://fcbikecoop.org/programs/recovered.php. There is a link to contact the coordinator at the bottom of the page.
Sarah
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Jeff DeQuattro < jdequattro@deltabikeproject.org> wrote:
Greetings!
Through the Delta Bike Project in Mobile, Alabama we are working with city leaders and the Mobile Police Department to update certain ordinances that have neglected to meet the needs of our city.
One of those ordinances we seek to create is an ordinance that allows the City/Police to recover abandoned bicycles that have been chained up for some (unknown) extended amount of time. We hope that the Delta Bike Project could be the recipient of those bikes for inclusion into our Time is Money Program http://www.deltabikeproject.org/time-is-money-program/. It's also a way to clear up our very limited amount of bike parking - something we're also working on through various fundraisers and agreements of understanding to install fixit stations and bike racks.
Are there examples from this group of ordinances in your city that allow public safety officials or others to recover abandoned bikes? Do you have examples of that language that you can share? Also, are there other similar ordinances that are good to accompany these?
We are lucky to have the ear of the City Leaders and the Police Department, so we would be ever grateful for feedback on this issues.
Thank you,
Jeff
-- Warm regards,
Jeff DeQuattro Executive Director
Delta Bike Project 561 St. Francis Street Mobile, AL 36602
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