As already mentioned, it's a perfect opportunity to make "them" part of "us". If they become members of your collective and at least one of them gets "training" needed, to open/run/close shop, then it's def a win/win. Your shop gains members, support, etc and your hipsters gets their fixies and a chance to be part of something great. Let them know what your requirements are and if they're really into it, there should be no problem. If it's not gonna cause huge uproar in the shop, create more work or costs for the collective/ members/organizers, then never turn down any "them" (aka, potential "us") that wanna play in the shop...esp. if you have the capacity. 1da
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Today's Topics:
- Non-collective Members opening the shop. (plan_9@riseup.net)
- Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Rich Points)
- Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Rich Points)
- Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Wilbur Ince)
- Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (yellow bike)
- Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Matt)
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:51:27 -0700 From: plan_9@riseup.net Subject: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Message-ID: 20080709085127.ota77a09440wg08c@swift.riseup.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed"
We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor,
hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day
when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and
modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and
autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that
are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already
open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside
of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers.
Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop
available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We
have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups,
etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do
any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure
that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random
folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective
member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? Thanks, Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:59:33 -0600 From: Rich Points rich@richpoints.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. To: The Think Tank thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Cc: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Message-ID: 4874E065.1080300@richpoints.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Make them members, expand your capacity.
R
plan_9@riseup.net wrote:
We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? Thanks, Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:59:33 -0600 From: Rich Points rich@richpoints.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. To: The Think Tank thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Cc: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Message-ID: 4874E065.1080300@richpoints.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Make them members, expand your capacity.
R
plan_9@riseup.net wrote:
We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? Thanks, Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:08:45 -0500 From: Wilbur Ince Wilbur@Wilbur.us Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. To: The Think Tank thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Message-ID: 4874E28D.9060401@Wilbur.us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
There's something there for you and something there for them, so find the middle ground. As Rich said, you have a chance at new collective members. If you have nights available, by all means, give them a night. They are interested in the shop time, so I bet you can get them to meet your conditions - like keeping shop clean - greeting people who stop by - opening their sessions to drop-ins, etc. Could be a great win-win.
Wilbur Ince Sibley Bike Depot Saint Paul, MN
plan_9@riseup.net wrote:
We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? Thanks, Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop
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