Re: [TheThinkTank] alcohol at shop - during meetings - pros and cons?

I wish most places I've encountered were sober, clean and safe [ emotional/ spiritual/... ] spaces, but sadly they are not...

Age range seems to vary, predominantly twentysomething places seem to favor etoh ( keggers, etc) and go out afterwards many times, including events at bars, which have served [ me ] food.

I've been in pseudo"community" where No etoh or expelled quickly policy went into effect and stayed to the end of term instead of leaving early.

My involvement in bike coops, etc has been negatively affected by etoh and other abuse issues...

Age distribution ( client, volunteer, mgmt and community ) and of manglement seem to correlate, IMHO.

Sore subject, actually.

typing impaired by device, so phlat.
NB: BigBro monitors all, dude[tte]....
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On Jul 30, 2014 11:02 PM, "Ryan Kragerud" <rjkragerud@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bicycle Longmont allows beer during board meetings. I personally feel beer
> decreases the productivity of our meetings beyond measure. Previously to
> having our own space for meetings we met at a library so no alcohol. We'd
> go out for beers afterward. That scenario built a more cohesive board. I
> discourage alcohol during board meetings where you actually need everyone
> to be focused.
>
> Others on our board would probably disagree with me. But this is my
> opinion.
>
> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014, Affordable Bikes Re-Cyclery <
> affordablebikesrecyclery@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Affordable Bikes is also a sober space, with a lot of staff and customers
>> in recovery gravitating to our shop. Of course our structure as a retail
>> shop (albeit one with multiple work stands, work credits, apprentices, and
>> other features of community bike shops) also lends itself to a sober
>> environment.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:28 PM, sheldon mains <sheldon@spokesconnect.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> SPOKES is a sober space. No alcohol except if we are having a special
>>> event (e.g. a fundraiser).  We have some clients who are recovering from
>>> addictions.
>>>
>>> sheldon
>>>
>>> ..............
>>> Sheldon Mains
>>> SPOKES Bike Walk Connect
>>>  www.SpokesConnect.org  www.fb.com/SpokesConnect
>>> Minneapolis, MN 612/618-7149
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:33 PM, mpattisall <
>>> mike.pattisall@velocitycoop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Velocity has a volunteers only night when alcohol ( beer) is allowed.
>>>> We also have an " Earn of Bike "  and other kid oriented programs in the
>>>> shop the following day so all  evidence ( cans, bottles ) must be removed
>>>> at the end of the volunteer night.  Anytime we are open to the public we
>>>> keep alcohol on the down low.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Vincenzo loco <wormsign@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We only ban alcohol when the shop is open to the public but we also
>>>>> don't drink alcohol at the meetings. When it happens it is usually at
>>>>> social functions or 'after hours'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Reno Bikes <renobikeproject@gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We allow alcohol, but only at breakfast meetings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:26 PM, momoko saunders <
>>>>>> analyst@bikefarm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We at Bike Farm recently had a proposal to ban alcohol at our
>>>>>>> general meetings. We already have a strict policy against alcohol during
>>>>>>> open shop hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd love to know if other shops have policy around alcohol during
>>>>>>> meetings or in the shop off hours. Do you have concrete examples of how
>>>>>>> this effects the shop and it's patrons/volunteers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those who do not have alcohol, do you notice an difference in
>>>>>>> time spent hanging out with other collective members, did it change the
>>>>>>> social dynamic? How does it affect your volunteer pool?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those who have alcohol, do you discuss it often? Do you think it
>>>>>>> adds or deters from your collective? What is the role of alcohol?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The arguments in my mind seem to revolve around safer spaces and
>>>>>>> regulation. I believe in having as little regulation as possible, but I
>>>>>>> also respect the need for safer spaces. I wonder if there's a way to not
>>>>>>> introduce policy while still making an inviting space for all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your thoughts and experiences would be appreciated!
>>>>>>> -momoko
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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