To chime in here in response to Ryan,
We are in the midst of our second summer of hosting a Youth Shop (10-15yr olds) once a week at Troy Bike Rescue. It is a sticky situation we are in in asking for donations of "whatever they can give for what its worth to them" on other open shop nights, but not being able to employ that with the children in our extremely impoverished neighborhood.
I always find that the kids are baffled to hear that we don't get paid to do what we do, and yet, its still difficult not to get taken advantage of by them as far as theft and respect goes. How do you, as a shop, retain giving free services to youth while still feeing like its worth something more to them than "a place with free bikes?"
I guess I am just reiterating Ryan's point: "When worth of a skill or favor is based off of an hourly rate, how do we instill respect for what we are doing while also letting people get work done for free?" But it is a constant topic of concern in conversation at TBR among volunteers and I am glad to read other shop's takes on this complicated subject!
Erica
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, MoBo Bicycle Co-op < mobobicyclecoop@gmail.com> wrote:
Like Bike Church, we offer work trade at MoBo. We ask all users become coop members and pay a 20$ flat fee and if they use new parts, we have a suggested donation price. If a member can't pay, we offer an alternative of 4 volunteer hours for membership or for parts, an hour. We won't turn away anyone who cannot pay and often make "pay next time you are in agreements." This does show through our database that generally only a third of all people who fill out a form pay fees or give hours.
We have a coordinator at the front desk who is aware of the policy and exchange rate. We also hang suggested donation prices up in the main shop room and tool room. Whenever someone becomes a member, we fill out a card for them for our Rolodex to check if their membership fees or hours are up to date. If we do think that an individual is abusing the policy--using the tools and shop several times in the row without paying or volunteering-- we will ask them to volunteer before they can use the tools. We are hoping this card system will help in showing the value of the shop and mechanic experience because we do use the fees to pay our utilities bills and buy more tools and consumables.
Ellie Nava-Jones MoBo bike Coop
On Friday, April 13, 2012, Joshua Muir wrote:
At the bike church is Santa Cruz we ask "$5/ hour, no one turned away for lack of funds" and further: "if you are unable to pay for our services, please check in with a mechanic to make other arrangements before you start"
By other arrangements, we mean volunteer work-trade and tasks are usually easily found. In case the shop is too busy to handle more work trade or other barriers to worktrade, we leave these decisions as to whether to engage worktrade etc up to the mechanic on shift.
We have a sign up listing common used-parts price ranges to help keep mechanics on the same page, but in the end the price and value of services is up to the mechanic.
josh
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Paul Nagel paul@thebicycletree.orgwrote:
At our volunteer meeting last night, someone shared an anecdote where a group offering to pump up people's bike tires raised far more money when they asked only that people pay what they thought the service was worth, rather than asking for $1 per pumping (this was something he heard in a business class of some sort). This volunteer went on to suggest we not post our current $5 suggested donation per hour for DIY repair, but rather use language along the lines of "donate what you think the service is worth".
This is in a context where, even on a busier day, with about 12 visitors, we usually receive less than $60, even though many of those people will stay for two hours or more. Also, being *more* firm about payment is not of interest to us.
As with most of you, we serve a wide variety of people. I can see "donate what you think the service is worth" being fine for people of even modest income, but I'm concerned about how that concept can be communicated without causing bad feelings in people who *can't* pay what they think the service is worth.
In the past, when we were just getting started, we advertised our services as being "free", but accepted donations. That is somewhat different from the idea presented here, as "free" implies people need not/ought not to pay.
Does anyone here have experience with having no suggested donation? If so, have you utilized both methods in a similar context, and how did the income compare? Also, how did you word your pricing policy?
Thank you,
Paul
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