Saying a chain has "stretched" is a colloquialism meaning it is worn out as that is how one measures its state of use.
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1. Re: Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? (christopher@holisticcycles.com) 2. Re: Do I have this wrong? (christopher@holisticcycles.com) 3. Re: Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? (christopher@holisticcycles.com) 4. Free knowledge (christopher@holisticcycles.com) 5. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Jim Bledsoe) 6. Socratic Moment (christopher@holisticcycles.com) 7. Both Body and bike benefit (christopher@holisticcycles.com) 8. Trump and Science (christopher@holisticcycles.com) 9. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Katie Vogel) 10. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Godwin !) 11. Re: Both Body and bike benefit (Ainsley Naylor) 12. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Lauren Warbeck) 13. Re: Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? (Caleb Evenson) 14. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Kevin Dwyer) 15. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Anibal Davila) 16. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Judith Feist) 17. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Jeffery Getten) 18. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Josh Bisker)
Message: 1 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:16:22 -0700 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? Message-ID: 20190204141622.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.116eeff094.mailapi@email03.godaddy.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
So, in the question of wheel truing, I am wondering why you don't allow for rims becoming deformed. As a learned mechanic you know of the procedures Barnett has for unbending a rim, or you know how to replace a rim or even sell a customer an undamaged wheel to replace the damaged one. Unless you promote that a damage wheel will be just as safe for the cyclist to use as one that is not damaged. As a mechanic: when you sign off that the work is compleated your actions say that the bike is up to standards and safe.A court of law does not recognize ( as safe as it can be) as a legal defination. On your own bike you can work on a bent wheel, On a customers bike, you take on a world of liability if you do not complete a repair to the safest standard, The action of presenting damaged product as safe can harm both you and your business, Your presentation implies that rims maintain perfection except in cases where spoke tension temporarily interferes.
In other words, it's obvious that while some spokes may become loose through repetitive stress, since the web of spokes share a single load, others will become tighter as the rim deforms. Since little can be done in the average shop to re-perfect the bare rim once deformed, the tighter spokes must maintain some amount of increased tension to keep this now-deformed rim true.
I'm not going to present any test that I've developed to "prove" this process, I'm actually posting this response because I find it kind of offensive that you keep posting here essentially as a salesperson. When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Do you ever tighten a bolt too tightly or without enough clamping force because you do not measure torque? If a bolt broke or slipped would you be liable? Do you like feeling grind in your hubs or see that your cones are pitted in bikes with quick release levers but seldom see cone damaged in bolt on hubs? Do your daily commuter customers complain that there brakes are rubbing and your truing work only lasts for part of a season and not years? Do cyclist ever complain about a click in the pedal area? Are these the bizarrely out of scope ideas you speak of? Your posts smell like bait. They are bait, Designed to get you to think. If you can not come up with an answer then as a group you can either come up with tests or 100% beliefs. The beliefs are dark ages showing its head in 2019. No one is lifted up in knowledge base or skill with belief. My knowledge is for sale, only because it has value, I also see that your community based bicycle organizations have value. You work hard and do great things, I have worked hard and I make great materials. Your moneys are tight and I am willing to greatly discount my work to help make your programs more profitable, improve quality, reduce liability, and more. Nicholas, if you see me as having no value to this group, ban me! If you think I work for free, Bite me! I want to lift up organizations that are open to improving the experience of cyclist and their businesses.
I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. Ok I am a bot, you caught me cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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May I have your best bike for free? or even your best tune up? Or web page work, or social media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift up my business for free so that I can lift up yours? For free I gave you ideas you had not come up with yet. The idea of testing your processes to prove that are the same as or different than you current beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the wheel or hold on to your beliefs. You can lift me up and I will lift you up. You can shut me down like a priests in the dark ages did to people of science. I have no power over your actions. I only have knowledge --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The knowledge has value, even more, because it is given freely. That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our time.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote: Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and should be given away for free?
When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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It is funny you mention my friend Sheldon, I was talking with him on the phone about some of these subjects 6 days before he died. He was sick for a long time, but he did not know he was going to die that soon. He loved his opinions on all types of bike subjects, and was surprized by the science and six sigma continuous improvement process that was happening in bike education.
--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? From: "Jean-François Caron" jfcaron3@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 7:37 am To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
It reminded me of ShelBroCo April Fool's pages. e.g.: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/power-wheel.html Jean-François
On Feb 4, 2019, at 06:13 , Dennis Wollersheim dewoller@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for that Nicholas. Christopher's original post disturbed me, but as I am a relative newbie, I did not want to call him out. You did the right thing, in a very respectful fashion. Warmly Dennis
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 7:32 PM Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org wrote: So, in the question of wheel truing, I am wondering why you don't allow for rims becoming deformed. Your presentation implies that rims maintain perfection except in cases where spoke tension temporarily interferes.
In other words, it's obvious that while some spokes may become loose through repetitive stress, since the web of spokes share a single load, others will become tighter as the rim deforms. Since little can be done in the average shop to re-perfect the bare rim once deformed, the tighter spokes must maintain some amount of increased tension to keep this now-deformed rim true.
I'm not going to present any test that I've developed to "prove" this process, I'm actually posting this response because I find it kind of offensive that you keep posting here essentially as a salesperson. When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45
Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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All the points you raise have answers in mechanical engineering and bicycle mechanics. To pick one: the compression of a closed quick release does change the adjustment of hub bearings, easily demonstrated. Various techniques exist to correct the hub bearings adjustment for this. Barnett publishes a technique, a bit fussy, but it works. The technique he demonstrated to me was flawed. I show him the flaw in logic and he dismissed it. He put pressure on the end of an axle on one side of a hub and pressure on the lock nut on the other side of the hub. There is never any pressure on the end of a skewered axle. The clamping force is only on the lock nuts against the dropout surfaces. His test had two variables instead of one. Does the axle compress under quick release loads or do the threads flex. One test will not answer two variables. Two test are needed to test two variables. Yet only one test is valid. Since a QR can never press against the end of an axle and still have clamping force on a lock nut against the dropout, pressing against the end of the axle test is inva lid. John' s testing wanted to find a specific amount that a hub could be adjusted from the standard bench adjustment to the on the bike correction for quick release forces. He came to realize that the variables in axle materials and quick release materials and construction were to great for a unified answer. I solved for his issues and his beliefs dismissed my solution. I demonstrated a perfect adjustment for the added load of a quick release in less than 30 seconds. Once I did six adjustment in 10 seconds. My special tools cost $6 from a frame builder. Special tools do exist, but unnecessary. Most mechanics learn in school or from someone like me, People are asking me for free instruction, is your knowledge free? if not why are you advertising here also? and most develop their preferred method.
Chains don't stretch. At 2000 pound of force chains do stretch, True: on a bike they only wear. Cables do. At 550 pounds of force derailleur cables stretch, but the plastic shift lever mount will fail at 200 pounds of force, at 800 pounds of force brake cables stretch. sadly a rim side wall brake surface will start to fail at 160 pounds of force. Numbers don't lie and are verifiable. (Very different structures.)
Spokes remain elastic. Spoke elbows deform from the original 90 degrees to the best pull angle, effectively making spokes longer once. On aluminum hubs the elbow indents the hub flange hole making the spoke effectively longer once. Neither of these changes the elastic properties of the spoke, but they do make the spoke effectively longer once and drop the tension of the wheel, allowing for greater tension ranges in spokes, creating early fatigue and spoke failure. Also reducing the efficiency of the wheel to accelerate as looser spokes need to be tensioned by the force from the chain before they move the cyclist forward, and the wheel has more side to side movement with looser spokes making control and braking less than optimal.
May I suggest that these complete thoughts are not currently put together cohesively by engineering books which I have intensely studied, or bicycle best practices knowledge bases. or by you.
May I suggest familiarizing yourself with current best practice (rather than the noise that gets written on the web).
I suggest Sharp for the basic mechanical engineering My experiments with the wheel in both practice and with finite element analysis and computational fluid dynamic program ANAYS. have shown insight intto the wheel and how to do wheel work 20 faster for better result. and Barnett for current mechanic best practice. As a BBI certified master tech, I can point out many flaws to Barnett's best practices. From making mechanics less profitable with slow procedures that are not valid in their testing. To just plain bad science understanding.
Get back to me if you have questions after having thoroughly understood those. I am back, Now are you ready to learn? or do you have any ideas of your own that are brilliant. I am all ears
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:24 PM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote: Hi David, What are you trying to build? I am not trying to builds I am trying to understand what has been built to improve efficiency of mechanics by up to 40 times current speed. Helping mechanics earn a living wage. Not a lot of CFD in the bike world. Do you know this as fact or a belief that you hold strongly? And after over a hundred years of engineering, not a lot of need for FEA. In the 1880's to 1890's there was amazing engineering, some material sciences in the 1980's improved friction, ending of the cold war brought advanced materials in the 80's and 90's Sadly as a student of the root causes of problems I have found the engineering in most bicycle systems is lost and strong held beliefs are the replacement.
A couple of examples: A chain has a pull strength of 2000 pounds before it stretches, If you wish to stretch a chain put a car on your back and stand on one pedal. What is the root of chain lengthening, What is the relationship between side to side flex of a chain and shifting quality? Do all new chains that measure the same length have the same side flex? Is there a relationship between chain length and flex. A spoke is made of a magical metal that stretches once and then becomes a harder metal and never stretches again. A spoke can be tightened until it will pull the nipple through the rim because the rim is not as strong as pull force that can be applied by the spoke. So how do rims stretch spokes to become looser in tension during the first 30 days of riding? Derailleur cables are anchored by a threaded fastener on one end and on the other end sits in a plastic seat in the shift lever. The derailleur cable has a pull strength of 500 pounds of pull before it will stretch, the plastic seat will fail before the cable will. How do cables stretch one time then never stretch again when pulled by a weaker plastic component?
Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? How do you isolate and test your theory? How do you adjust the hub precisely for a combination of a specific axle (mild steel, hardened steel, Titanium, Aluminum, ) and a specific Quick Release material (Steel, Aluminum, Titanium, with or with out plastic components )? How do you precisely adjust a hub for QR forces in less than 20 seconds? If engineering has been done, then it should be easy to answer all these question by looking in books, or on line, or from schools.
Which acts like a fluid on the bicycle? hydraulic brake fluid? a wheel rim? or a chain? A little hint, Brake fluid when contain in a system acts as a solid to transfer forces. Brake fluid outside of a system acts like a fluid.
If you would like to communicate on how CFD with FEA can change the world of cycling I would love to talk, If you believe engineers created cables that stretch once, spokes that stretch once, chains that stretch with human load of less than 2000 pounds, well I will not change your strong belief system.
Christopher Wallace 773 490 0683
Good morning, Sorry, no. I once did some programming for FEA and CNC but ages ago, and my IT friends wrangle server farms, databases, and state IT departments.
Take a look at Monster.
Also post a query on one of the CMU boards or Pitt Craigslist.
What are you trying to build? Not a lot of CFD in the bike world. And after over a hundred years of engineering, not a lot of need for FEA.
David
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 11:14 AM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote: Do you know anyone that is fluent in Ansys? CFD FEA? or know where I could look for a person in the field?
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 773 490 0683 Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM From: David Zundel davidzundel@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 15, 2016 6:38 pm To: Jonathan Morrison jonathan@bicyclecollective.org, The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
CiviCRM goes on a server (vps recommended and affordable) then accessed by a web page, fairly easy. Or you buy Civi hosting, but that defeats some of the purpose of using Civi. Civi has considerable power and ability, can connect with ERP, etc but not for IT novice. Easy to install, configure, and maintain if you have experience and comfort with Linux servers, if not, not.
You can certainly hire the Linux talent in SLC, but dependence on outside IT service has inconveniences.
Email me directly if you want to get into details on Civi.
David http://openwest.us
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 8:20 PM Jonathan Morrison jonathan@bicyclecollective.org wrote: What staff resources does it require?
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 7:19 PM jack jack@bikewalkwichita.org wrote: We use Salesforce / Wordpress / Mailchimp and have been pleased with what all we can do, for free.
-------- Original message -------- From: David Zundel Date:10/15/2016 7:33 PM (GMT-06:00) To: The Think Tank Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM
CiviCRM recommended David
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 6:13 PM Jonathan Morrison jonathan@bicyclecollective.org wrote: Has anyone been using (https://civicrm.org/) or would they recommend a different software package?
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Message: 5 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 15:57:21 -0800 From: Jim Bledsoe gamesbledsoe@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: CABSiP0NgM8vHT6Zy+7OE4hQS+c+s9Djywh97353FHFn22zPOXw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
What we here at the thinktank are, is a bunch of open source bicycle advocates. When one posts a long drawn out list of questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend to raise hackles "What does facing do for the customers ride experience?" were you meaning "pacing" or more succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong. If you work
on a bike and make it better, that work
has value. If I work on a process
and make it better, the knowledge has no
value and should be given away for
free?
When someone posts to a mailing list to
sell a product, to me that
constitutes cause to block that
person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here
tutorials and techniques for everyone
to review and learn from, in the
interest of helping community bike
shops hone their skillsets to a
higher standard, I'd be the first to get
interested. As it is, you never
post detailed instructions, and quite
frankly a lot of the processes you
allude to are bizarrely out of scope
with what most of us do on a daily
basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you
reconsider posting here. In this
particular case, you even tacked
your message onto a completely
unrelated thread. I mean, might be
I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
I will ask a few questions
and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever
change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do you
test to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it should
be done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what does it
do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
How do stainless steel spokes
and cables stretch once and then
magically become harder and
never stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No,
how do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg
or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
Which leads to the question,
How does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as long
as another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid dynamics
help a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling
safer.
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school,
your students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of this
is new to you and you would like to
improve your training, feel
free to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the
wheel three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling industry
and I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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Message: 6 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:13:35 -0700 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Socratic Moment Message-ID: 20190204171335.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.5af1a39169.mailapi@email03.godaddy.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I did mean facing the Bottom Bracket shell or the Stem, Head Tube, and Fork Crown race. Does it make you faster? or Lighter? Tighter tolerances? Wear things less? Make adjustments better? Make adjustments stay longer? Make things last longer? Make things parallel? Make things lock more securely? Why do professional racers do it, but year round cyclist don't? What is the benefit of having it done?
Just because you have a tool, or know of a procedure, do you know why it is a benefit to the cyclist? Any procedure, part or accessory to a bike, Socratic Moment: WHY is service or product of value to the customer?
If you do not know, then it is very hard to sell the service or the product. Many tools and serviced go unused because of our abilities to communicate their value to the customer.
--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? From: "Jim Bledsoe" gamesbledsoe@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
What we here at the thinktank are, is a bunch of open source bicycle advocates. When one posts a long drawn out list of questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend to raise hackles "What does facing do for the customers ride experience?" were you meaning "pacing" or more succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote: Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and should be given away for free?
When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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Message: 7 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:24:27 -0700 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Both Body and bike benefit Message-ID: 20190204172427.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.6d2a7ff7a2.mailapi@email03.godaddy.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Pacing in a group is a nice community experience. Maintaining a high Cadence is healthy for your body and your bike. Higher pedal spin for the same velocity increases heart rate, increasing blood flow and lubrication to the joints, reduces the pressure in the leg joint surfaces and the connective tissue, reducing wear on the disks and allowing connective tissue to grow in strength at a similar rate to the muscle tissue. The high cadence reduces the load in the drive train, and places the load in bigger cogs transferring the load across a greater surface area and across more teeth reducing wear. Benefiting both your body health and your wallet in reduced repair cost.
--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? From: "Jim Bledsoe" gamesbledsoe@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
What we here at the thinktank are, is a bunch of open source bicycle advocates. When one posts a long drawn out list of questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend to raise hackles "What does facing do for the customers ride experience?" were you meaning "pacing" or more succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote: Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and should be given away for free?
When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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Message: 8 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 19:38:59 -0700 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Trump and Science Message-ID: 20190204193859.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.4964d2f6c7.mailapi@email03.godaddy.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
It has been brought to my attention that many of you do not like Trumps stance on science. Where his opinion is more valid than Testable, peer reviewed, repeatable science At the same time when opinions about the bicycle are faced with testable, peer reviewed, repeatable science, the science is questioned by members of this list.
Your opinion matters, it is called a hypothesis. Science proves or disproves hypothesis. Once a hypothesis is turned into a test and proved or disproved, then those with descending opinions peer review the results, to confirm or deny the results. If they are not happy they should test their own hypothesis's and have them peer reviewed. An opinion on the matter is called a guess.
I am told your guesses, your opinions, are to be honored and respected more than science based testing. For that I apologize.
Raise a glass to you.
Christopher O Wallace
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Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:46:30 -0500 From: Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: CADGh=y4FqwcLrASXm2xSPicxgEu1_M87tLFzWM3dz1Vbf6yWhA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Is this person banned yet? Asking for a friend.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
May I have your best bike for
free? or even your best tune up? Or web page
work, or social media, or NFP
wording? What are you willing to do to lift
up my business for free so that I
can lift up yours?
For free I gave you ideas you had
not come up with yet. The idea of
testing your processes to prove
that are the same as or different than you
current beliefs/ practices. You as
a group can reinvent the
wheel or hold on to your beliefs. You can lift me up and I will lift
you up. You can shut me down like a
priests in the dark ages did to
people of science. I have no power over
your actions. I only have
knowledge
--------- Original Message
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
have this wrong?
From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The
knowledge has value, even more, because it is
given freely. That is the point of
ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
share freely, this is wrong place
for you and you are wasting our time.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong. If you
work on a bike and make it better, that
work has value. If I work on a
process and make it better, the knowledge
has no value and should be
given away for free?
When someone posts to a mailing
list to sell a product, to me that
constitutes cause to block
that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share
here tutorials and techniques for everyone
to review and learn from, in
the interest of helping community bike
shops hone their skillsets to
a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
interested. As it is, you
never post detailed instructions, and quite
frankly a lot of the processes
you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
with what most of us do on a
daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that
you reconsider posting here. In this
particular case, you even
tacked your message onto a completely
unrelated thread. I mean,
might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
I will ask a few
questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release
lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do
you test to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used
to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for
the customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what
does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you
verify your answer?
How do stainless steel
spokes and cables stretch once and then
magically become harder
and never stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
No, how do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike
frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45
Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify
your answer?
Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as
long as another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten
and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling
safer.
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your
school, your students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to
reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience
to improve sales?
If any of this or all of
this is new to you and you would like to
improve your training,
feel free to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented
the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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Message: 10 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 05:07:33 +0000 From: Godwin ! goodgodwin@hotmail.com To: Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com, The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: BN7PR03MB4433B0C301ACE6FA191C5DBAD06E0@BN7PR03MB4433.namprd03.prod.outlook.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Yes. I sent him an email asking him to stop and apologize, he replied with more confusing insults and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I removed and blocked him.
godwin
From: Thethinktank thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org on behalf of Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com Sent: February 4, 2019 7:46 PM To: The Think Tank Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
Is this person banned yet? Asking for a friend.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher@holisticcycles.commailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com> wrote: May I have your best bike for free? or even your best tune up? Or web page work, or social media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift up my business for free so that I can lift up yours? For free I gave you ideas you had not come up with yet. The idea of testing your processes to prove that are the same as or different than you current beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the wheel or hold on to your beliefs. You can lift me up and I will lift you up. You can shut me down like a priests in the dark ages did to people of science. I have no power over your actions. I only have knowledge --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer@gmail.commailto:kevidwyer@gmail.com> Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.orgmailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>
No, you have it wrong. The knowledge has value, even more, because it is given freely. That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our time.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher@holisticcycles.commailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com> wrote: Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and should be given away for free?
When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.commailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you verify your
answer?
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do they get
longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike frame that
can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling industry and I
feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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Message: 11 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 00:17:19 -0500 From: Ainsley Naylor needleandthread@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Both Body and bike benefit Message-ID: CAEkJx+kG3OC_VpKR6ttgQQ+2JCoZNrKCq4UY_QdvCfPniYY+aA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hey friend, do you have a question about running a non-profit community bike project? Or something to share to that end? Because that is what this list is for.
Please refrain from long, tangential diatribes. We are all keen to maintain this useful, supportive community, but this email exchange is leaving me feeling frustrated and exhausted.
Thank you! Ainsley.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Pacing in a group is a nice
community experience. Maintaining a high
Cadence is healthy for your body
and your bike. Higher pedal spin for the
same velocity increases heart
rate, increasing blood flow and lubrication
to the joints, reduces the
pressure in the leg joint surfaces and the
connective tissue, reducing wear
on the disks and allowing connective
tissue to grow in strength at a
similar rate to the muscle tissue. The high
cadence reduces the load in the
drive train, and places the load in bigger
cogs transferring the load across
a greater surface area and across more
teeth reducing wear. Benefiting both your body health
and your wallet in reduced repair cost.
--------- Original Message
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
have this wrong?
From: "Jim Bledsoe" gamesbledsoe@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
What we here at the thinktank are,
is a bunch of open source bicycle
advocates. When one posts a long drawn out
list of questions with a pay me now gotcha
at the end it will tend to raise
hackles
"What does facing do for
the customers ride experience?" were you
meaning "pacing" or
more succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM
christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong. If you
work on a bike and make it better, that
work has value. If I work on a
process and make it better, the knowledge
has no value and should be
given away for free?
When someone posts to a mailing
list to sell a product, to me that
constitutes cause to block
that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share
here tutorials and techniques for everyone
to review and learn from, in
the interest of helping community bike
shops hone their skillsets to
a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
interested. As it is, you
never post detailed instructions, and quite
frankly a lot of the processes
you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
with what most of us do on a
daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that
you reconsider posting here. In this
particular case, you even
tacked your message onto a completely
unrelated thread. I mean,
might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
I will ask a few
questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release
lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do
you test to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used
to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for
the customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what
does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you
verify your answer?
How do stainless steel
spokes and cables stretch once and then
magically become harder
and never stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
No, how do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike
frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45
Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify
your answer?
Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as
long as another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten
and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling
safer.
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your
school, your students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to
reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience
to improve sales?
If any of this or all of
this is new to you and you would like to
improve your training,
feel free to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented
the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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Message: 12 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:20:10 -0800 From: Lauren Warbeck lauren.warbeck@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: CAAr69eV2A024v+D8y53WCgqCgtKb0x34YR5ptLBZ0gRAFa3=Cg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Thank you for your continued work Godwin ?????????
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM Godwin ! <goodgodwin@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes. I sent him an email asking
him to stop and apologize, he replied
with more confusing insults and
continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
removed and blocked him.
godwin
*From:* Thethinktank thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org
on
behalf of Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com *Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46 PM *To:* The Think Tank *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
have this wrong?
Is this person banned yet? Asking
for a friend.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24
christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
May I have your best bike for
free? or even your best tune up? Or web page
work, or social media, or NFP
wording? What are you willing to do to lift
up my business for free so that I
can lift up yours?
For free I gave you ideas you had
not come up with yet. The idea of
testing your processes to prove
that are the same as or different than you
current beliefs/ practices. You as
a group can reinvent the
wheel or hold on to your beliefs. You can lift me up and I will lift
you up. You can shut me down like a
priests in the dark ages did to
people of science. I have no power over
your actions. I only have
knowledge
--------- Original Message
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
have this wrong?
From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The
knowledge has value, even more, because it is
given freely. That is the point of
ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
share freely, this is wrong place
for you and you are wasting our time.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong. If you work
on a bike and make it better, that work
has value. If I work on a process
and make it better, the knowledge has no
value and should be given away for
free?
When someone posts to a mailing list to
sell a product, to me that
constitutes cause to block that
person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here
tutorials and techniques for everyone
to review and learn from, in the
interest of helping community bike
shops hone their skillsets to a
higher standard, I'd be the first to get
interested. As it is, you never
post detailed instructions, and quite
frankly a lot of the processes you
allude to are bizarrely out of scope
with what most of us do on a daily
basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you
reconsider posting here. In this
particular case, you even tacked
your message onto a completely
unrelated thread. I mean, might be
I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
I will ask a few questions
and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever
change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do you
test to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it should
be done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what does it
do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
How do stainless steel spokes
and cables stretch once and then
magically become harder and
never stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No,
how do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg
or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
Which leads to the question,
How does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as long
as another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid dynamics
help a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling
safer.
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school,
your students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of this
is new to you and you would like to
improve your training, feel
free to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the
wheel three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling industry
and I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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Message: 13 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 01:09:26 -0600 From: Caleb Evenson caevenson@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? Message-ID: CADEf7dQ3ysqhfybLCLNCqBpSDB0iV=9VBsfQbL+eheMiEiQ+Dw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
That's quite a narrow view on anxiety, Christopher. Seems you have your own faith.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:04 AM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
If you have an immense test
anxiety, then you should become a religious
leader. Your beliefs will far
outweigh anything that's provable or
measurable
--------- Original Message
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank]
Elevating the knowledge base, Would your
programs benefit? From: "Judith Feist" judith@backalleybikes.org Date: 2/3/19 5:41 pm To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
What happens if you get immense
test anxiety?
On Sunday, February 3, 2019, Ulick
O'Beirne ulickobeirne@gmail.com
wrote:
Hey Christopher
Great questions and from a
training point of view they could be amazing
tests to have to hand.
Have you compiled these ideas
into a resource- manual/ course/ etc?
I'm based in Ireland. I teach
cycling in schools and to community groups.
I teach bike mechanics and
repair mainly to adults. With friends we hope to
open a community bike shop in
Clonakilty.
Can you give more info on what
you're thinking? Format etc?
Cheers. Take care,
Ulick
On Sun 3 Feb 2019 at 05:57,
christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
I will ask a few questions
and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release lever
change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No is
not important, how do you
test to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used
to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for
the customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it does
not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist have it
done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride experience?
How do you verify your
answer?
How do stainless steel
spokes and cables stretch once and then magically
become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not stretch once, then
how do they get longer
once? How do you verify your answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
No, how do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force get
stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 lbs
cyclist. How can a
45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or 2000 Lbs of
force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their knees? How do
you verify your answer? Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as
long as another type. How do you verify your answer?
Why do mechanics tighten
and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a wheel
spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round, dish,
tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the hydraulic
systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension systems) and
make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your school,
your students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to
reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve their
cycling experience to
improve sales?
If any of this or all of
this is new to you and you would like to
improve your training,
feel free to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located in
Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented the
wheel three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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That sucks but, many thanks, Godwin.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:20 PM Lauren Warbeck lauren.warbeck@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for your continued work
Godwin ?????????
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM
Godwin ! <goodgodwin@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes. I sent him an email
asking him to stop and apologize, he replied
with more confusing insults
and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
removed and blocked him.
godwin
*From:* Thethinktank thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org
on
behalf of Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com *Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46
PM
*To:* The Think Tank *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank]
Do I have this wrong?
Is this person banned yet?
Asking for a friend.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24
christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
May I have your best bike for
free? or even your best tune up? Or web
page work, or social media, or
NFP wording? What are you willing to do to
lift up my business for free
so that I can lift up yours?
For free I gave you ideas you
had not come up with yet. The idea of
testing your processes to
prove that are the same as or different than you
current beliefs/ practices.
You as a group can reinvent the
wheel or hold on to your
beliefs.
You can lift me up and I will
lift you up. You can shut me down like a
priests in the dark ages did
to people of science. I have no power over
your actions. I only have
knowledge
--------- Original Message
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do
I have this wrong?
From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The
knowledge has value, even more, because it is
given freely. That is the
point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
share freely, this is wrong
place for you and you are wasting our time.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong. If you
work on a bike and make it better, that
work has value. If I work on a
process and make it better, the knowledge
has no value and should be
given away for free?
When someone posts to a mailing
list to sell a product, to me that
constitutes cause to block
that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share
here tutorials and techniques for everyone
to review and learn from, in
the interest of helping community bike
shops hone their skillsets to
a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
interested. As it is, you
never post detailed instructions, and quite
frankly a lot of the processes
you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
with what most of us do on a
daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that
you reconsider posting here. In this
particular case, you even
tacked your message onto a completely
unrelated thread. I mean,
might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
I will ask a few
questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release
lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how do
you test to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be used
to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do for
the customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what
does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do you
verify your answer?
How do stainless steel
spokes and cables stretch once and then
magically become harder
and never stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
No, how do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a bike
frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can a 45
Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you verify
your answer?
Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice as
long as another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten
and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make cycling
safer.
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your
school, your students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices to
reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling experience
to improve sales?
If any of this or all of
this is new to you and you would like to
improve your training,
feel free to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have re-invented
the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace
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Message: 15 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:13:01 -0500 From: Anibal Davila caffenated@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: CALRn+6WGWNDnd-m316HJPkwJUtCmAu_EGagqP6Sq0yxLWYH4pA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Thanks Godwin
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 8:46 AM Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
That sucks but, many thanks,
Godwin.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:20 PM
Lauren Warbeck lauren.warbeck@gmail.com
wrote:
Thank you for your continued
work Godwin ?????????
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM
Godwin ! <goodgodwin@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes. I sent him an email
asking him to stop and apologize, he replied
with more confusing
insults and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
removed and blocked him.
godwin
*From:* Thethinktank
thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org
on behalf of Katie Vogel
*Sent:* February 4, 2019
7:46 PM
*To:* The Think Tank *Subject:* Re:
[TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
Is this person banned yet?
Asking for a friend.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at
22:24 christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
May I have your best bike
for free? or even your best tune up? Or web
page work, or social
media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to
lift up my business for
free so that I can lift up yours?
For free I gave you ideas
you had not come up with yet. The idea of
testing your processes to
prove that are the same as or different than you
current beliefs/
practices. You as a group can reinvent the
wheel or hold on to your
beliefs.
You can lift me up and I
will lift you up. You can shut me down like a
priests in the dark ages
did to people of science. I have no power over
your actions. I only have
knowledge
--------- Original Message
Subject: Re:
[TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm To: "The Think Tank"
thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The
knowledge has value, even more, because it is
given freely. That is the
point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
share freely, this is
wrong place for you and you are wasting our time.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at
1:09 PM christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong. If
you work on a bike and make it better, that
work has value. If I work
on a process and make it better, the knowledge
has no value and should be
given away for free?
When someone posts to a mailing
list to sell a product, to me that
constitutes cause to block
that person from the mailing list.
If you want to freely
share here tutorials and techniques for everyone
to review and learn from,
in the interest of helping community bike
shops hone their skillsets
to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
interested. As it is, you
never post detailed instructions, and quite
frankly a lot of the
processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
with what most of us do on
a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting
that you reconsider posting here. In this
particular case, you even
tacked your message onto a completely
unrelated thread. I mean,
might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
I will ask a few
questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
your answers.
Does a quick release
lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
is not important, how
do you test to verify your answer is important.
How can this test be
used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
What does facing do
for the customers ride experience? Nothing/
Something? The
following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it
does not need to be
done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
have it done. So what
does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
experience? How do
you verify your answer?
How do stainless
steel spokes and cables stretch once and then
magically become
harder and never stretch again? If they do not
stretch once, then
how do they get longer once? How do you verify your
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes
or No, how do you verify your answer?
How does a chain that
can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
get stretched on a
bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
lbs cyclist. How can
a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
2000 Lbs of force
into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
knees? How do you
verify your answer?
Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
chain function twice
as long as another type. How do you verify your
answer?
Why do mechanics
tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
wheel spokes get
looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
dish, tension, and
true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
efficiently?
How can understanding
the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
hydraulic systems on
a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
systems) and make
cycling safer.
How can a mechanic
use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
Would it help your
school, your students, bicycle businesses and
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
efficient practices
to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
language to help
cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve
their cycling
experience to improve sales?
If any of this or all
of this is new to you and you would like to
improve your
training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation
telephone only. 773
-490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
in Chicago Illinois.
PS Yes I have
re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
that! I look forward
to hearing from you.
Sincerely Christopher O,
Wallace
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Message: 16 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:33:12 -0500 From: Judith Feist judith@backalleybikes.org To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: CABQKaWuWqikWOoM6_LvJfjXBhOLgH6LFM0VwphhQ0L6Nj0CriQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Thank you Godwin. Greatly appreciated.
-- Judith C Feist Co Director, the Hub at Back Alley
*"*Radical simply means 'grasping things at the root'"- Angela Davis
"A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem
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Thank you Godwin, I'm new to the group and was hoping this was not the "norm".
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:24 AM Judith Feist judith@backalleybikes.org wrote:
Thank you Godwin. Greatly
appreciated.
-- Judith C Feist Co Director, the Hub at Back
Alley
*"*Radical simply means 'grasping
things at the root'"- Angela Davis
"A woman without a man is like a
fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem
I think [the bicycle] has done
more to emancipate women than anything else
in the world...It gives a woman a
feeling of freedom and
self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony
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Message: 18 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 10:16:20 -0500 From: Josh Bisker jbisker@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: CAJFfK6nCw3Y=PhNJeMC9Ade2phzd8v8Y5j0HkHPWBcEWakjiVQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Excellent. Good episode, everyone. B-list bad guy takes up an unexpected 20 minutes of screen time, things get really bad when he suddenly stumps for Trump (?!), our heroes flounder, and then Godwin comes to the rescue with a deux-ex-machina fix and everything is resolved with hugs and emoji. Good television, would watch again.
Josh Bisker 914-500-9890 New York Mechanical Gardens Bike Co-op http://bikecoop.nyc/ 596 Acres http://596acres.org/ Bindlestiff Family Cirkus http://bindlestiff.org/
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:50 AM Jeffery Getten jeff@backalleybikes.org wrote:
Thank you Godwin, I'm new to the
group and was hoping this was not the
"norm".
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:24 AM
Judith Feist judith@backalleybikes.org
wrote:
Thank you Godwin. Greatly
appreciated.
-- Judith C Feist Co Director, the Hub at Back
Alley
*"*Radical simply means
'grasping things at the root'"- Angela Davis
"A woman without a man is like
a fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem
I think [the bicycle] has done
more to emancipate women than anything
else in the world...It gives a
woman a feeling of freedom and
self-reliance.~Susan B.
Anthony
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