Salvaged brake handles are rarely kept with the calipers. Anyone have a reasonably reliable method for identifying long pull vs. short pull handles?
TIA
Ron
There are three ways that I teach people how to identify the difference.
First is the obvious one that if it says V-Brake on the brake, it's long pull.
Second is that if you look at most flat bar brake levers there are two holes, or at least an indent where a second hole could be, where the part that the head of the cable can go into is (the silver bit in this photo: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/housingU_005.jpg). If it's in the top hole, then it's long pull. If it's in the bottom hole then it's short pull. There are sometimes a little "C" and a little "V" next to those holes/indent that make it even easier.
If that second one doesn't make sense, I can get a photo later today and send it to you.
Third is by measuring the distance from the pivot point to where the head of the cable goes. Park Tool says that it is 21mm for short pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta-flatbar-conv.jpg and 42mm for long pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta-linearpull.jpg
In practice for the third method I tell people to measure with a ruler the distance and if it's less than 30mm then it's short pull, if it's more than 35mm then it's long pull and if it's hard to tell or somewhere inbetween then it's hard to tell without testing it.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Ron Kellis ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org wrote:
Salvaged brake handles are rarely kept with the calipers. Anyone have a reasonably reliable method for identifying long pull vs. short pull handles?
TIA
Ron
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Nice quick article. I pulled it down to our how-to's folder on our Drive. So many variations! Still trying to figure how to get all this info to volunteers as they learn. Jack Murphy Bike Walk Wichita
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:02 AM, David Oliver nowhere3@gmail.com wrote:
There are three ways that I teach people how to identify the difference.
First is the obvious one that if it says V-Brake on the brake, it's long pull.
Second is that if you look at most flat bar brake levers there are two holes, or at least an indent where a second hole could be, where the part that the head of the cable can go into is (the silver bit in this photo: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/housingU_005.jpg). If it's in the top hole, then it's long pull. If it's in the bottom hole then it's short pull. There are sometimes a little "C" and a little "V" next to those holes/indent that make it even easier.
If that second one doesn't make sense, I can get a photo later today and send it to you.
Third is by measuring the distance from the pivot point to where the head of the cable goes. Park Tool says that it is 21mm for short pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta-flatbar-conv.jpg and 42mm for long pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta- linearpull.jpg
In practice for the third method I tell people to measure with a ruler the distance and if it's less than 30mm then it's short pull, if it's more than 35mm then it's long pull and if it's hard to tell or somewhere inbetween then it's hard to tell without testing it.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Ron Kellis ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org wrote:
Salvaged brake handles are rarely kept with the calipers. Anyone have a reasonably reliable method for identifying long pull vs. short pull handles?
TIA
Ron
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Yes, this is more of an advanced "Bike build" item rather than maintain/repair what left the factory. I do a rather in depth on lineal pull brakes because I so so many poorly adjusted. And I do mention that you can't swap the handles. That might be the place to throw in where to find the info to reference rather then a "common" repair.
Ron
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Jack Murphy jack@bikewalkwichita.org wrote:
Nice quick article. I pulled it down to our how-to's folder on our Drive. So many variations! Still trying to figure how to get all this info to volunteers as they learn. Jack Murphy Bike Walk Wichita
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:02 AM, David Oliver nowhere3@gmail.com wrote:
There are three ways that I teach people how to identify the difference.
First is the obvious one that if it says V-Brake on the brake, it's long pull.
Second is that if you look at most flat bar brake levers there are two holes, or at least an indent where a second hole could be, where the part that the head of the cable can go into is (the silver bit in this photo: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/housingU_005.jpg). If it's in the top hole, then it's long pull. If it's in the bottom hole then it's short pull. There are sometimes a little "C" and a little "V" next to those holes/indent that make it even easier.
If that second one doesn't make sense, I can get a photo later today and send it to you.
Third is by measuring the distance from the pivot point to where the head of the cable goes. Park Tool says that it is 21mm for short pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta-flatbar-conv.jpg and 42mm for long pull: https://www.parktool.com /assets/img/repairhelp/ta-linearpull.jpg
In practice for the third method I tell people to measure with a ruler the distance and if it's less than 30mm then it's short pull, if it's more than 35mm then it's long pull and if it's hard to tell or somewhere inbetween then it's hard to tell without testing it.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Ron Kellis ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org wrote:
Salvaged brake handles are rarely kept with the calipers. Anyone have a reasonably reliable method for identifying long pull vs. short pull handles?
TIA
Ron
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Thank you!. Shaking my head over why the Park article didn't come up in my search. Limitations of the Google most popular link type search and a true vertical search.
Appreciate the details!
Ron
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:02 AM, David Oliver nowhere3@gmail.com wrote:
There are three ways that I teach people how to identify the difference.
First is the obvious one that if it says V-Brake on the brake, it's long pull.
Second is that if you look at most flat bar brake levers there are two holes, or at least an indent where a second hole could be, where the part that the head of the cable can go into is (the silver bit in this photo: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/housingU_005.jpg). If it's in the top hole, then it's long pull. If it's in the bottom hole then it's short pull. There are sometimes a little "C" and a little "V" next to those holes/indent that make it even easier.
If that second one doesn't make sense, I can get a photo later today and send it to you.
Third is by measuring the distance from the pivot point to where the head of the cable goes. Park Tool says that it is 21mm for short pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta-flatbar-conv.jpg and 42mm for long pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta- linearpull.jpg
In practice for the third method I tell people to measure with a ruler the distance and if it's less than 30mm then it's short pull, if it's more than 35mm then it's long pull and if it's hard to tell or somewhere inbetween then it's hard to tell without testing it.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Ron Kellis ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org wrote:
Salvaged brake handles are rarely kept with the calipers. Anyone have a reasonably reliable method for identifying long pull vs. short pull handles?
TIA
Ron
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We exclusively teach the third above method, i.e. distance between stop and pivot. It goes over pretty much instantly. The thornier part is to get participants to remember which caliper/arm type each lever goes with.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2018-03-09 21:36, Ron Kellis wrote:
Thank you!. Shaking my head over why the Park article didn't come up in my search. Limitations of the Google most popular link type search and a true vertical search.
Appreciate the details!
Ron
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:02 AM, David Oliver nowhere3@gmail.com wrote:
There are three ways that I teach people how to identify the difference.
First is the obvious one that if it says V-Brake on the brake, it's long pull.
Second is that if you look at most flat bar brake levers there are two holes, or at least an indent where a second hole could be, where the part that the head of the cable can go into is (the silver bit in this photo: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/housingU_005.jpg). If it's in the top hole, then it's long pull. If it's in the bottom hole then it's short pull. There are sometimes a little "C" and a little "V" next to those holes/indent that make it even easier.
If that second one doesn't make sense, I can get a photo later today and send it to you.
Third is by measuring the distance from the pivot point to where the head of the cable goes. Park Tool says that it is 21mm for short pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta-flatbar-conv.jpg and 42mm for long pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta- linearpull.jpg
In practice for the third method I tell people to measure with a ruler the distance and if it's less than 30mm then it's short pull, if it's more than 35mm then it's long pull and if it's hard to tell or somewhere inbetween then it's hard to tell without testing it.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Ron Kellis ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org wrote:
Salvaged brake handles are rarely kept with the calipers. Anyone have a reasonably reliable method for identifying long pull vs. short pull handles?
TIA
Ron
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In my Overhaul Class, I like to give students a mechanical model for what happens when you mismatch brakes and levers. I usually draw something like the diagram below and talk about the trade-offs.
~matt
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:14 PM, cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
We exclusively teach the third above method, i.e. distance between stop and pivot. It goes over pretty much instantly. The thornier part is to get participants to remember which caliper/arm type each lever goes with.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2018-03-09 21:36, Ron Kellis wrote:
Thank you!. Shaking my head over why the Park article didn't come up in my search. Limitations of the Google most popular link type search and a true vertical search.
Appreciate the details!
Ron
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:02 AM, David Oliver nowhere3@gmail.com wrote:
There are three ways that I teach people how to identify the difference.
First is the obvious one that if it says V-Brake on the brake, it's long pull.
Second is that if you look at most flat bar brake levers there are two holes, or at least an indent where a second hole could be, where the part that the head of the cable can go into is (the silver bit in this photo: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/housingU_005.jpg). If it's in the top hole, then it's long pull. If it's in the bottom hole then it's short pull. There are sometimes a little "C" and a little "V" next to those holes/indent that make it even easier.
If that second one doesn't make sense, I can get a photo later today and send it to you.
Third is by measuring the distance from the pivot point to where the head of the cable goes. Park Tool says that it is 21mm for short pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta-flatbar-conv.jpg and 42mm for long pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta- linearpull.jpg
In practice for the third method I tell people to measure with a ruler the distance and if it's less than 30mm then it's short pull, if it's more than 35mm then it's long pull and if it's hard to tell or somewhere inbetween then it's hard to tell without testing it.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Ron Kellis ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org wrote:
Salvaged brake handles are rarely kept with the calipers. Anyone have a
reasonably reliable method for identifying long pull https://maps.google.com/?q=y+reliable+method+for+identifying+long+pull&entry=gmail&source=g vs. short pull handles?
TIA
Ron
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Dear Matt Ford and Think Tankers, I teach Bike Tech at Aptos High in CA, and I am also developing curriculum for teaching Bike Tech in high schools nationally, (Project Bike Tech). I hope to incorporate the NGSS, with the curriculum. Would it be possible to collaborate a bit on the physics that underpin the lesson? I did not major in physics so I have a bit of a learning curve just to understand how to frame questions - and PBT as a non-profit has limited resources (as we all do in the non-profit bike advocacy community) so I am racking my brain to find examples of science-y things about bikes to use. PBT can acknowledge any contributions made (giving credit to the Think Tank/Bike Collective for partnering too). This is kind of an outreach to anyone on this forum to add their thoughts and ideas about teaching Bike Tech with some substance connecting math and science to the hands-on aspects. Thank you for listening, Therese Kilpatrick Bike Tech teacher Aptos High, curriculum developer Project Bike Tech ps PBT is also collaborating with Barnetts Bicycle Institute, Park Tools, and have the backing of the PBMA and the NBDA
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Matt Ford matt@therecyclery.org wrote:
In my Overhaul Class, I like to give students a mechanical model for what happens when you mismatch brakes and levers. I usually draw something like the diagram below and talk about the trade-offs.
~matt
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:14 PM, cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
We exclusively teach the third above method, i.e. distance between stop and pivot. It goes over pretty much instantly. The thornier part is to get participants to remember which caliper/arm type each lever goes with.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2018-03-09 21:36, Ron Kellis wrote:
Thank you!. Shaking my head over why the Park article didn't come up in my search. Limitations of the Google most popular link type search and a true vertical search.
Appreciate the details!
Ron
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:02 AM, David Oliver nowhere3@gmail.com wrote:
There are three ways that I teach people how to identify the difference.
First is the obvious one that if it says V-Brake on the brake, it's long pull.
Second is that if you look at most flat bar brake levers there are two holes, or at least an indent where a second hole could be, where the part that the head of the cable can go into is (the silver bit in this photo: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/housingU_005.jpg). If it's in the top hole, then it's long pull. If it's in the bottom hole then it's short pull. There are sometimes a little "C" and a little "V" next to those holes/indent that make it even easier.
If that second one doesn't make sense, I can get a photo later today and send it to you.
Third is by measuring the distance from the pivot point to where the head of the cable goes. Park Tool says that it is 21mm for short pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta-flatbar-conv.jpg and 42mm for long pull: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/ta- linearpull.jpg
In practice for the third method I tell people to measure with a ruler the distance and if it's less than 30mm then it's short pull, if it's more than 35mm then it's long pull and if it's hard to tell or somewhere inbetween then it's hard to tell without testing it.
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wrote:
Salvaged brake handles are rarely kept with the calipers. Anyone have a
reasonably reliable method for identifying long pull https://maps.google.com/?q=y+reliable+method+for+identifying+long+pull&entry=gmail&source=g vs. short pull handles?
TIA
Ron
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